AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[ChiCubs2016]

Is WS working wonky for anyone else today? Just curious if it is my phone?

 

[Workbull]

According to the family that's what DW said. Reporters haven't received a statement from DW and I don't think it's been verified that she was in fact driving her car.

Assuming the GPS was just powered down doesn't mean she was leaving willingly. If the term occupying her vehicle doesn't equal driving her vehicle, it makes it much easier to understand someone else just turning it off. Actually, just had a thought, what if the GPS was being used to get directions to a specific place and the flashing lights signaled the exit and the GPS was no longer needed?

@Keyedin good statement I like how you are thinking outside the box

 

[Keyedin]

I suppose that if he didn't park his car, wasn't at The Dublin, and sped on his return trip to The Dublin, then Car 3 might be DW. If we have to modify his story to make the timeline fit, why don't we modify it such that he was never at the Shell station?

Alternatively, we could accept that he was at the Shell station, that he didn't speed on the way to the Shell station (travel time was 20 minutes 10:45 - 11:05) so there's no reason to assume that he decided to speed on the way back to The Dublin, that he did park his car at the Dublin, and that he did have Danni's phone at The Dublin at 11:37.

Where did the 10:45 time come from? I know it was stated RC called DNV at 10:45, she didn't answer, so he just went straight to Ollie's once he got off work. I may have missed it in terms of DW/DNV leaving though. Which does make me wonder, if they weren't at Dublins at 10:45, what time did they actually leave? That could be a pretty big gap. Since she didn't answer and didn't call back, it makes sense they'd already left and she no longer had her phone. If she had just not heard it, wouldn't she have called him back?

 

[cody22]

Is WS working wonky for anyone else today? Just curious if it is my phone?

OK here all day.

 

[cody22]

According to the family that's what DW said. Reporters haven't received a statement from DW and I don't think it's been verified that she was in fact driving her car.

Assuming the GPS was just powered down doesn't mean she was leaving willingly. If the term occupying her vehicle doesn't equal driving her vehicle, it makes it much easier to understand someone else just turning it off. Actually, just had a thought, what if the GPS was being used to get directions to a specific place and the flashing lights signaled the exit and the GPS was no longer needed?

I no longer believe anything that comes from the "family" . LE and MSM only are considered by me......Yall do as you wish......This case seems to be at a standstill at this time. ...Justice for Danni !

 

[otto]

Where did the 10:45 time come from? I know it was stated RC called DNV at 10:45, she didn't answer, so he just went straight to Ollie's once he got off work. I may have missed it in terms of DW/DNV leaving though. Which does make me wonder, if they weren't at Dublins at 10:45, what time did they actually leave? That could be a pretty big gap. Since she didn't answer and didn't call back, it makes sense they'd already left and she no longer had her phone. If she had just not heard it, wouldn't she have called him back?

10:45 is the time that Danni and DW left The Dublin.

At some point shouldn't we accept some information as true? Should we turn ourselves into pretzels to justify why we should doubt the information we have?

 

[Slowmotion]

I no longer believe anything that comes from the "family" . LE and MSM only are considered by me......Yall do as you wish......This case seems to be at a standstill at this time. ...Justice for Danni !

Yea, couldn’t agree more..

I was brought here a couple months ago when I was looking for information on 4 missing people close to where I live. Even though that case has been solved I stuck around and checked others out. This is the first time where I feel completely lost, like I have no idea. Everything is being so tight lipped and when something is said it gets taken back a week later or news links disappear.

So few press releases, family is so quiet, friends are so quiet, media coverage almost non existent. It’s just so odd for me..

 

[Keyedin]

Do I understand correctly that you are suggesting that even though DW states that he and Danni left the parking lot together and she was following him, he's wrong and someone else was driving the car?

Is this based on the fact that police have stated that: at the Shell station, Danni was occupying her car?

Whether the GPS was disabled or turned off, after stopping at the Shell station the GPS was no longer transmitting a signal.

Since Danni forgot her phone at The Dublin, if she didn't flash her lights to alert DW to this fact, why did DW return to The Dublin to pick up her phone?

Im just pointing out that him seeing her getting in the car was relayed the same way that TT's whereabouts were, the same way RC/MK being at Dublins was, RC/MK being at Ollie's was- wait, no they weren't- wait, again yes they were. The MSM articles are conflicting at best, but none of them have said DW himself gave that sequence of events or that LE confirmed that to be true.

Whether the misinformation has been given intentionally or not, it can't be ignored that for every article supporting her driving the car there's another that is more vague and less direct. LE are choosing their words carefully and there's a reason for that.

 

[Suglo]

Is WS working wonky for anyone else today? Just curious if it is my phone?

Mine has been especially wonky today and for the past 5-7 days. Constantly refreshing and giving me error messages.

 

[Keyedin]

10:45 is the time that Danni and DW left The Dublin.

At some point shouldn't we accept some information as true? Should we turn ourselves into pretzels to justify why we should doubt the information we have?

Im sure some of the information is true, but figuring out which parts are true is basically a guessing game.

 

[Keyedin]

Okay- building from @3dzer0's post

LE gave a press conference on 08/02/18. (I believe this is the approx. 30 min. PC that has been asked about a couple of times. The video itself is about 30 min., but the PC is less than 10 min.)

Notes on PC content
At 17:49- reporter asks LE to expand on his comment regarding an infant child. He says 4 months, but corrects it to 4 years. Possible slip referencing newborn?

At 18:40- reference to people go missing because they want to go missing and just don't want to be found at the time.

Around 22:00- they've had good cooperation from people and some not so good cooperation. No elaboration of not so good cooperation.

Around 23:00- no evidence of foul play at the time.

Around 23:45- reporter asks when in the convenience store, did she use a debit card. LE says as part of the investigation, they would not release that information.

Around 24:00- reporter asks if LE feels she's missing at her own will. Responds that it has happened before, but they just want her or whoever is associated with her disappearance or someone who knows something to come forward. Does not want to say anything specifically because he does not know.

Around 25:00- reporter asks about cell phone activity. LE can't release that information to maintain the integrity of the investigation.

FACTS

• DNV was occupying 2014 Chevrolet Cruz with a green and white Pearl Motors tag. (Confirmed via Pearl Motors FB page and LE's blog.)
• Pearl Motors website states they've been in business since 1966. They finance and advertise "your credit is good at Pearl Motors". Anything confirming DNV actually bought the car, either through financing/cash, or was it just the last vehicle she was seen in? It appears all recent articles have moved away from her owning and/or driving the vehicle.
• 07/20/18 article states Vian was last seen riding in a deep blue 2014 Chevrolet Cruz w/a Pearl Motors tag.
  
  
• DNV took the night off to celebrate with friends. We know she was out with friends, do we know for sure she was scheduled to work that evening?
• DNV was at Dublin's- articles/evidence to support this? I know we have the timeline, but reports all say "family members say..."
  
  
• DNV was at the Shell Station- was the surveillance video removed because it was actually not related? Again, LE states last known whereabouts were 3500 block of Government. I don't see anything that states her vehicle ACTUALLY pinged at the Shell station- only that she was seen "on surveillance" at the Shell. Reporter states last time she was seen was on a grainy video that can't be shown. Has LE made a statement saying the Shell was the last known location?
  
  
• DNVs GPS shut off- one report that the GPS was TURNED off. Not disabled. Not malfunctioned. This report does say they know she left Dublin Pub, stopped at the closed Shell station w/a friend in another car after realizing she left her phone, the friend left thinking she was following him back to Dublins, DNV stayed at the station for another 20 minutes with a 3rd car then both cars leave. This does seem to follow the Shell station surveillance footage.
  
  
• DNVs car leaves Shell- see above article re: GPS.
  
  
• DNV was wearing a dark-colored Mellow Mushroom Shirt, a light-colored hat, and black legging style pants w/a light-colored shirt tied around her waist. (Confirmed via LE's blog.)

I'm really not trying to be a pain, just attempting to sort through what's hearsay and what's confirmed. I haven't seen anything about specific times outside of what time the cars arrived at the Shell and what time they left. No arrival time for Dublins, no departure.

Like I said when there is discrepancies over whether RC was even at Dublins, whether RC/MK were at Ollie's after constantly stating they were from day 1, it makes it hard to learn on those stories.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Is WS working wonky for anyone else today? Just curious if it is my phone?

I personally have had more trouble the last two days than I have ever experienced on WS. Constant reloading, error messages, losing post after post. Extremely irritating and frustrating having to keep retyping and closing out.(iPad)

 

[Keyedin]

I personally have had more trouble the last two days than I have ever experienced on WS. Constant reloading, error messages, losing post after post. Extremely irritating and frustrating having to keep retyping and closing out.(iPad)

Me too

 

[otto]

Im just pointing out that him seeing her getting in the car was relayed the same way that TT's whereabouts were, the same way RC/MK being at Dublins was, RC/MK being at Ollie's was- wait, no they weren't- wait, again yes they were. The MSM articles are conflicting at best, but none of them have said DW himself gave that sequence of events or that LE confirmed that to be true.

Whether the misinformation has been given intentionally or not, it can't be ignored that for every article supporting her driving the car there's another that is more vague and less direct. LE are choosing their words carefully and there's a reason for that.

We don't have any information about alibis for the family of Danni's boyfriend.

Why does that mean we can't rely on eye witness testimony that Danni drove behind DW to the Shell station.

Do you have links handy to demonstrate that there is ambiguity about Danni driving her car and following DW to the Shell station?

 

[Keyedin]

We don't have any information about alibis for the family of Danni's boyfriend.

Why does that mean we can't rely on eye witness testimony that Danni drove behind DW to the Shell station.

Do you have links handy to demonstrate that there is ambiguity about Danni driving her car and following DW to the Shell station?

Give me a few minutes and I'll pull together exactly what I'm talking about.

As far as eye witness testimony- can you consider it eye witness testimony if the sources relaying the eye witness testimony are constantly changing the story?

 

[Keyedin]

I've seen NO information stating that DNV drove her car from Dublins to Ollies. I've not seen any statements- which I'm entirely open to read if they're out there- about the events that occurred prior to the Shell station. I would actually like to know whether LE said anything about the events prior to the Shell. Here's what I've found post-Shell.

Official LE statement- "...she was occupying a 2014 Chevrolet Cruz."

07/20- wkrg.com- "...may be driving..."

07/20- AL.com- "...was last seen Tuesday riding in a deep blue 2014 Chevrolet Cruz."

07/25- Fox 10- "...last known to be occupying a deep blue 2014 Chevrolet Cruz..."

08/02- AL.com- "...was driving a blue 2014 Chevy Cruz."

08/02/18- MPD- "last known to be occupying a deep blue 2014 Chevrolet Cruz.."

09/06- The Truckers Missing Child Project- "...last seen Tuesday riding in a deep blue 2014 Chevrolet Cruz..."

09/24- AL.com- "...was believed to be driving..."


It looks like to me, again I'm open to sources stating otherwise, that all recounts of "DW's story" have only been relayed to MSM sources THROUGH family.

"Family members say Vian went to The Dublin Pub & Eatery on Old Shell Road the evening of July 17th.

They say she left there with a friend in separate cars to go to another establishment....

Family members say the friend said Vian got in her car, and that was the last he saw of her." Fox 10

 

[AtticusFitz]

Also, there was a report that the GPS was turned off. Now- this reads tremendously different than the gps was disabled. Turned off makes it sound like a personal GPS or something not installed by the car company to track a vehicle they have a loan on. It also sounds less ominous. Like someone was just like, okay I know where I'm going, I don't need this anymore.

If it was OnStar GPS location would still be transmitted as part of the system and if requested OnStar could locate the DNV vechile within 30 ft. We've learned from an article someone posted the other night that even if the car owner is not paying for OnStar that the system is still transmitting data about the vehicle (this is why so many people seem to want to remove OnStar from their cars and why youtube is flooded with videos on the topic IMO).

 

[AtticusFitz]

Is WS working wonky for anyone else today? Just curious if it is my phone?

It was terrible on phone today.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I've seen NO information stating that DNV drove her car from Dublins to Ollies. I've not seen any statements- which I'm entirely open to read if they're out there- about the events that occurred prior to the Shell station. I would actually like to know whether LE said anything about the events prior to the Shell.

LE has made no statements that I've seen about events prior to the Shell station. I've wanted to go back to the Chief's long press conference but the video has been cut to 1.5 mins and I cannot find the longer version where there might have been a passing reference to events prior to the Shell station.

 

[Keyedin]

Look at the conference I referenced in my post earlier today and see if that's the one you were thinking of.

Example of inconsistency just today (and why using private SM groups as a fact isn't allowed) JDT has stated numerous times that they have been cleared by LE only to say today that everyone is a suspect. Im not saying she's a liar, maybe she's misunderstood the previous information given, but it still stands that there is unreliable information out there.