Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#14

[otto]

There still has to be probable cause to believe the accused has committed the offense charged. They can decline to extradite based on this criteria. With all of the media hoopla and revelations about what a circus the investigation, prosecution and trials were, I don't think the U.S. is going to find that there is probable cause to extradite. The treaties and requests for extradition are not recognized without scrutiny, and rightly so. I could be very wrong, but I will be very surprised if she winds up being extradited.

I followed the trials, and I don't recall anything of a circus except during the annulled appeal where the defense introduced testimony from a cross dressing mafia man that wanted a sex change in prison. He claimed that his brother was the real murderer.

 

[Amber29]

No, Amber29...it is true and you will find links and sources to prove it true in previous threads...

Please provide the link for this.

 

[Harmony 2]

This is one of the problems with this trial. The misinformation that is constantly thought to be true. Amanda bought undergarments (panties, bra) since she could not get any of her clothing from her room in the cottage. The man that "heard" them talk about having hot sex or wild sex in the clothing store did not speak English. A person does have to eat and Amanda did not go out "right after their roommate is brutally murdered" for pizza. She was also not doing cartwheels in the police station even though this was reported to the media to make Amanda appear more evil and guilty. Who brought up her bosses name during that police interview? Who asked her about who Patrick was and why she was meeting with him that night? And why didn't the police record the interviews with Amanda and RS? Not recording them makes it so much easier to say something happened that didn't OR that whatever Amanda and RS claims that happened didn't.

MOO

The store where she bought the underwear was like a Target. The media made it sound like a Victoria's Secret. Elizabeth Vargas traveled to Perugia and visited the store.

For example, she said that Amanda was in this sexy lingerie store buying underwear. "I was in that store in Perugia and it was essentially a Target," Elizabeth said. "She was unable to get into the house to get into any clean clothes and access to her own possessions."

http://www.examiner.com/article/eli...a-nightmarish-ordeal-for-amanda-knox-s-family

 

[dog.gone.cute]

".....who have looked at this..."?? I have been on here day in and day out for 6 months now, some have been looking at this for 7 years.....and they come to a different decision....it's so easy to ridicule them I see.....

:seeya: Hi aa,

Reposting my post about the "PR machine" from today's Reuter's article ...

:drumroll::drumroll:

Here's a link from Reuter's today referencing the "PR machine" :


Initially portrayed as a sex-obsessed party girl, Knox has seen a steady transformation of her image, helped by a sophisticated publicity machine that has portrayed her as a victim of a faulty justice system.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/30/us-knox-verdict-guilty-idUSBREA0T1U520140130


:drumroll::drumroll:

 

[Amber29]

It is true. It is absolutely true. Sorry.

The investigators found the bra clasp themselves in the sealed crimescene. You implied a neighbor or someone found it and gave it to police. This is not true. Yes it laid in Meredith's room for 46 days. That is the only true part about it.

 

[otto]

REally? It sat out for 6 weeks? No one found it? Great crime scene collectors

Evidence was collected on two separate occasions: after the murder, and on Dec 18. Many items were collected on Dec 18. Meredith's sweatshirt was collected on Dec 18, and DNA belonging to Guede was found on the cuff of the sleeve. There is nothing special about the clasp except that it contained proof that Sollecito was in Meredith's bedroom during her murder.

 

[Vinny]

The message it gives to the rest of the world, and to US citizens, is that when US citizens commit murder in a foreign country, even when they are convicted, they only need return to US soil to avoid consequences for that murder. That's almost like a license to kill as long as it's done in a foreign country and the culprit is able to get home before the prison doors clang shut.

True.

You know what though I think Knox will go into hiding or try to run. I think her and her family will do anything to keep her out of Italy.


How long could an extradition take?

 

[aa9511]

The Victims: Meredith's Siblings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25973798

They remind me a lot of Travis' family....the way they have and continue to carry themselves with such dignity and grace. My heart goes out especially to the mother and father, I hope they can find peace someday, it will probably not be in this life, I cannot imagine how they can ever find peace in their hearts again. I guess a better word would be closure.

 

[TorisMom003]

Evidence was collected on two separate occasions: after the murder, and on Dec 18. Many items were collected on Dec 18. Meredith's sweatshirt was collected on Dec 18, and DNA belonging to Guede was found on the cuff of the sleeve. There is nothing special about the clasp except that it contained proof that Sollecito was in Meredith's bedroom during her murder.

Nothing special about the bra clasp other than how it was collected. Found underneath other items, touched with dirty gloved hands, placed back on the floor to take a picture of it, then picked back up again and finally placed in the evidence bag. Nope, nothing special about it at all. And it just happens to be the only place where RS's DNA was found in Meredith's room. Lucky for the prosecutor, huh.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO, the outcry against Amanda will be stronger when Raffaele is sitting in prison for a crime she was convicted of too. She'll be going to Starbuck's, the gym, parties.

The inequity is crushing.

He made his choice.

He could be getting out in a year like Rudy.


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[Linda7NJ]

I just heard on the news (WKYW) that Raffaele's father said he would appeal, and Kurt Knox had no comment.

One of her lawyers is on record, before the verdict, saying they would appeal.


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[I Must Break You]

The investigators found the bra clasp themselves in the sealed crimescene. You implied a neighbor or someone found it and gave it to police. This is not true. Yes it laid in Meredith's room for 46 days. That is the only true part about it.

That is the way I understand it. I still want to know, if (and that's a huge if) it was contaminated, how did it become so? It could not come from Sollecito just visiting the cottage, from my understanding it was touch DNA, with a match of 16 locus-points. That just doesn't fly through the air and land on bra clasps. So please someone tell me, if it was contaminated, where did Sollecito's DNA come from?

 

[aa9511]

Jane Valez Mitchell is yelling all sorts of things. She thinks that the prosecutor is a crazyy satanic follower that was convicted for persecution. I wonder where she got those funny ideas from. I think that Crini will think the talking heads are nuts.

BBC news coverage is much more balanced.

Exactly and then people wonder what effect the PR machine has had? Most of the media gives people what they want to hear. JVM knows that most of America wants to hear that this Guilty verdict was all someone's else fault, that Amanda did nothing. She knows exactly who her audience is and how they feel about this issue.

Notice none of the talking heads like JVM ever talk about actual evidence. They never discuss actual evidence.

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm not sure why so many people cannot wrap their head around that this is not double jeopardy... As for the wishful thinking of some that America would fight her extradition back to Italy... that's just a silly pipe dream, sorry. If Italy asks for her to be extradited... she will be extradited.

yes, i can "wrap my head around it". why?

a lawyer, with a Masters of Law and a Doctorate, a past position in the office of the legal advisor to the State Dept., and currently a professor of international law, disagrees:

American unease with double jeopardy could give Knox a "fighting chance" to appeal any extradition in a U.S. court, Christopher L. Blakesley, a professor of international law University of Nevada Las Vegas, told ABC News.com last year.

"There's room to fight extradition," Blakesley said, "and double jeopardy is the spot to fight on…. In the treaty, we functionally accept their system of justice, but it's up to a magistrate to decide whether" the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution was violated and if that trumps the treaty.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-specter-extradition/story?id=22296604&page=2

 

[otto]

True.

You know what though I think Knox will go into hiding or try to run. I think her and her family will do anything to keep her out of Italy.


How long could an extradition take?

It looks like the Dominican Republic is not interested in hiding criminals, so perhaps she can go to Ecuador or Russia. Snowden is still safely hiding in that vast great white north. Maybe he has a spare room.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh I hope so, I really do.

It doesn't matter. Her supporters won't change their minds.

She's only delaying the inevitable.


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[aa9511]

The point is more that the clasp was not found for 6 weeks. And not by police by someone that notified police. No one knows who put it there. or who touched it.

IT is bad evidence.

Fine, if it pleases you, throw out the bra strap evidence. There is still plenty more evidence, so that's fine you can have the bra strap.

 

[Amber29]

Evidence was collected on two separate occasions: after the murder, and on Dec 18. Many items were collected on Dec 18. Meredith's sweatshirt was collected on Dec 18, and DNA belonging to Guede was found on the cuff of the sleeve. There is nothing special about the clasp except that it contained proof that Sollecito was in Meredith's bedroom during her murder.

Exactly!

There was no vehicle for contamination proven. In some cases evidence is found outside and been laying there for 6months. A defendant doesn't just get to say "it's contaminated" and have it thrown out.

You know the evidence is very harmful to the case for innocence when people defending them feel the need to accuse PS of planting the DNA.

 

[Vinny]

It looks like the Dominican Republic is not interested in hiding criminals, so perhaps she can go to Ecuador or Russia. Snowden is still safely hiding in that vast great white north. Maybe he has a spare room.

I doubt Russia wants her and I'm sure Snowden doesn't either!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why should Rafaelle Sollecito or Amanda Knox give into the injustice served by the Italian court?! This is wrong! There was no physical evidence (that can be claimed free of CONTAMINATION) to link either of them to the crime! How can you take joy in knowing that innocent people are being condemned? I can't fathom how afraid they must feel.

Sollecito put Meredith's blood on that knife...with his own lies....to explain away it's existence.




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