AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #1

[the_missing]

The Australian has a summary:

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/10/21/1227577/706255-151022murders.pdf

Notice what the summary says:

Call to Crime Stoppers nominated Khandalyce as possibly the girl in the suitcase. Caller says she and her mother have not been seen for a long time.

That they had to wait for a tip to put two and two together implies they didn't DNA test at least one of the bodies: otherwise they would have noticed that the two were related.

Khandalyce's body was found in July, so if they had sequenced both of the remains as a matter of course and put them into Crimtrac, they would have noticed they were related as soon as Khandalyce's results were entered.

 

[Dogface]

Also, forgot to add, how grateful I am for whoever it was who called these tips in. Truly a living angel! They gave not one, but two angels their names back. I can't believe how quickly this thread changed from when I last looked on Monday or Tuesday. I had worried she wouldn't get her name, but, thankfully the people with good intentions and hearts come through, we see this again and again, and while they don't erase the tragic events, they bring light into the case and help keep the evilness from spreading.

 

[Dogface]

Also how do you pronounce our little Wynarka Angels name?

 

[JaneSA]

Also how do you pronounce our little Wynarka Angels name?

That's why I keep calling her "the child".
I can't seem to get my head around her name or the spelling.

 

[KimberDoll]

Also how do you pronounce our little Wynarka Angels name?

I think it is pronounced "candle-eese"

 

[JaneSA]

Paraphrasing my previous post <modsnip> from The Australian...

The Chief Commander of the NT Police explained that the missing persons report was cancelled by Colleen Povey (Karlie's mother) when she reported that she had got through to Karlie on her mobile phone and ascertained that she and her granddaughter were alive and well in Canberra. Police saw no reason to doubt Mrs Povey's evidence as she was clearly relieved.

 

[CrazytownUSA]

Also how do you pronounce our little Wynarka Angels name?

I've been pronouncing it "candle-eese", but I could be wrong (her nickname was Candles)

Sorry to jump in... I've been following this for a while and so glad to see that these angels finally have their names and are together again. Such a very sad and emotional case. My heart breaks thinking about the last moments for these precious girls. I hope justice is served for these two swiftly.

 

[CrazytownUSA]

Paraphrasing my previous post <modsnip> from The Australian...

The Chief Commander of the NT Police explained that the missing persons report was cancelled by Colleen Povey (Karlie's mother) when she reported that she had got through to Karlie on her mobile phone and ascertained that she and her granddaughter were alive and well in Canberra. Police saw no reason to doubt Mrs Povey's evidence as she was clearly relieved.

It will be interesting to find out what form of communication it was. Whether there were actual phone calls, text messages, etc.

Defining the "sporadic contact" is going to be a big key in this one.

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/10/21/1227577/706255-151022murders.pdf

"SEP 2009- Pearce-Stevenson's mother reports the pair missing but withdraws the report six days later, after sporadic contact with her daughter"

 

[Makara]

A MAN serving time in a NSW jail is one of several suspects in the disappearance and murder of Alice Springs mother and daughter Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson and Khandalyce Pearce.

A day after police revealed the identities of the pair &#8212; a two-year old found in a suitcase near Wynarka in South Australia in July and her 20-year-old mother found in Belanglo State Forest in 2010 &#8212; investigators are looking into the movements of the man who is understood to be awaiting sentence on unrelated charges.

A police source confirmed to the Daily Telegraph the man was being looked into while officially police said they were keeping an open mind.

http://www.news.com.au/national/sou...spect-identified/story-fnii5yv4-1227579117725

BBM: So this man who is being held in a NSW jail is one of several suspects. Not a POI but a suspect. He is apparently awaiting sentence on unrelated charges. This would indicate that he is being held on remand at this stage and has not been incarcerated for years. The unrelated charges could have occurred within days of this report or could have occurred more than 12 months ago. It will be very interesting to finally learn who the murderer is and if he in fact had any accomplices.

 

[Rayemonde]

I think it is pronounced "candle-eese"

I read in one article that her nickname was "candle", so I think you're right.

 

[Rayemonde]

The Australian has a summary:

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/10/21/1227577/706255-151022murders.pdf

Notice what the summary says:



That they had to wait for a tip to put two and two together implies they didn't DNA test at least one of the bodies: otherwise they would have noticed that the two were related.

Khandalyce's body was found in July, so if they had sequenced both of the remains as a matter of course and put them into Crimtrac, they would have noticed they were related as soon as Khandalyce's results were entered.

Yeah - people keep saying that LE have done an amazing job, but if it wasn't for someone actually calling and telling them who Khandalyce was and actually sending them a photo of her with the quilt, they might never have discovered her identity. I know that waaaay back at the beginning of these threads people were speculating that little "Angel" was never reported missing because her mother had also been murdered, but we assumed that her DNA was being compared to all unidentified murdered women of childbearing age - obviously we were wrong.

 

[katydid23]

That's feasible, buy WHY did they keep the remains and the case?

I think the killer wanted to dump them separately. So he hid the suitcase and remains at a secure location---like maybe his parent's basement or tool shed. And took a drive out to the forest to dispose of Karlie. If he was a drug user, or an impulsive person, he might have become distracted, and thought it was fine where it was for now. Then he gets arrested and cannot move it. JMO

 

[DutchTreat]

Yeah - people keep saying that LE have done an amazing job, but if it wasn't for someone actually calling and telling them who Khandalyce was and actually sending them a photo of her with the quilt, they might never have discovered her identity. I know that waaaay back at the beginning of these threads people were speculating that little "Angel" was never reported missing because her mother had also been murdered, but we assumed that her DNA was being compared to all unidentified murdered women of chldbearing age - obviously we were wrong.

Yeah I was one of them. To me that seemed the most logical step. What they at least could have done real quick was looking at missing person reports of mother's with a young daughter aged 2-4 matching the Wynarka remains. Even if the report was withdrawn later on. If they were missing a some point, they might have been leading a lifestyle that made them go missing again.

And of course comparing DNA of the Wynarka remains with every fertile (young) woman/girl that would have been missing and presumed dead at the time Khandelyce supposedly died.

What also puzzles me if they haven't been able to see Karlie had given birth to a child by investigating her pelvic bones. They assumed she was a lot younger than she actually was.

I have seen more cases (in Europe) where forensics assumes too much and narrows down possibilities and later turn out to have been wrong. Regarding age and isotopes that made them give wrong info as to where a victim supposedly had been living and for what period of time. IMO they shouldn't narrow it down that specific.

 

[Dogface]

The killer was actually quite intelligent I would say for not dumping them together, and putting Karlie in an area already associated with another killer. That leads me to think he kept Khandalyce simply because it was easier to keep her stored away than actually dispose of. Disposing of her meant transporting her and dumping or burying her which was an unnecessary risk if he had a safe place to store her. I think legal troubles made him(or some acquaintance)panic and just dump her. At that point he probably thought since her mother was not identified and was not connected to him, the same would happen with little Candles. But, he underestimated a grandmothers loving gift of a quilt and how there is far more loving people in this world who did care about this little girl and finding out her name.

 

[musicaljoke]

To me the BBM (bolded by me) means that the child was killed first in a voilent outburst (not planned) by a male who had control over Karlie and her child. The child was quickly hidden very close to where she was killed. Then Karlie was taken to Belanglo State Forest and voilently killed.

Then the killer returned to where 'they' were living and kept the child hidden.
Making sure Khandalyce couldn't be found and probably hoping Karlie WOULD be found and identified and blamed on Milat.

I do not think that the way Khandalyce's body was kept had anything to do with 'loving' but with making sure nobody would be able to access her body.

There is no way this mother would accept her child being beaten to death en shut up about it, let alone being able to go on with her life and shut up about it.

So to me it was definately the child who died first. And very close in/around Wynarka.
And then the mother deliberately left behind in Milat's territory.

The person who left the suitcase at the roadside IMO is not the killer. But someone who knows what happened, couldn't speak up and wanted closure. And/or real estate/property change that meant the body had to move.

Oh my! Could it have been Karlie who hid her daughter's body, and then was later murdered too. We've seen many times that a violent, abusive bf kills a step child.

 

[Oddsocks]

I'm gob smacked that they have a suspect already. I wonder if it will be someone we've heard of.

 

[Oddsocks]

All I can say is the perpetrator must've been himself ever since baby Candles was discovered.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The killer was actually quite intelligent I would say for not dumping them together, and putting Karlie in an area already associated with another killer. That leads me to think he kept Khandalyce simply because it was easier to keep her stored away than actually dispose of. Disposing of her meant transporting her and dumping or burying her which was an unnecessary risk if he had a safe place to store her. I think legal troubles made him(or some acquaintance)panic and just dump her. At that point he probably thought since her mother was not identified and was not connected to him, the same would happen with little Candles. But, he underestimated a grandmothers loving gift of a quilt and how there is far more loving people in this world who did care about this little girl and finding out her name.

Also, since Karlie's car is missing, presumably dumped, torched, plate numbers drilled out etc, it's possible he didn't have his own car, so once he had driven her car back to where he lived and dumped Khaldalyce and the clothes in a shed, or wherever, he drove the car off and destroyed it, but was near enough to home to be able to get back, then, without transport he was unable to take Khandalyce's remains out to the bush to dump later on.

 

[DutchTreat]

The killer was actually quite intelligent I would say for not dumping them together, and putting Karlie in an area already associated with another killer.

I wonder if he was alone. Where was Karlie's car. How did he take her to BS forest and how did he return?
If he told people the story the Karlie and her child left him or returned to family out of state, her car would have to be absent as well. If he disposed of her car, did another person help him do that?

I really, really think police should take a close look at the homeless/prostitution scene around Adelaide. My gut says this could involve many more young vulnerable girls. And people abusing/killing them.

One of our sleuths mentioned disposing of her kids old clothes that must have ended up on the Adelaide dump.
I still think it's possible that some of these items that were found with Khandalyce, could have come from this dump. Karlie looks miserable on the Marion shopping centre picture. She might very well have gotten her child clothing from that dump.

 

[DutchTreat]

Oh my! Could it have been Karlie who hid her daughter's body, and then was later murdered too. We've seen many times that a violent, abusive bf kills a step child.

I do not think so. Karlie was beaten to death, so murdered by someone really evil. I'm convinced he killed her child too.