Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 363451]

Dr Tom May testified that you would need around 0.1g per bodyweight of deathcap mushrooms to cause death, meaning there was quite a lot of these mushrooms in the duxelle for it to be distributed properly... not just a sprinkle added for flavour

She'd purchased in total 1.75kg mushrooms from Woolworths in the few days before the lunch. There was no need for her to use any dried mushrooms at all. I want to hear the prosecution question her about that.

 

[southgoldengirl]

I really hope she's not gaslighting her kids during this part of her testimony

 

[Detechtive]

I really hope she's not gaslighting her kids during this part of her testimony

That's the thing isn't it. This will be forever online for them to pour over.

I am certain her son and daughter would have remembered her pulling off the road to go to the toilet.

 

[Megnut]

3m ago22.51 EDT
Patterson says around 11pm she began to feel nauseous and was experiencing diarrhoea.

She says she experienced “quite strong cramping” and an “urgent need to go”.

She says it was “every 20 minutes” at times and was difficult to go back to sleep.

Patterson says this lasted several hours. She took an anti-diarrhoea tablet and was able to sleep for a little bit, the court hears.

Patterson got up around 10am the day after the lunch – 30 July 2023.

She says she made herself a herbal tea.

3m ago22.51 EDT
The jury is shown CCTV footage, previously shown to the court, from Subway in Leongatha.

The court was previously told the footage, captured hours after the lunch, showed Patterson dropping her son at Subway.

Patterson says she did take her son to Subway after the lunch but says the footage does not depict her son.

Rbbm

Those kind of lies will not ingratiate jurors.

Denies it's her own son?????

Turning her big ship around? More like, she is sinking what's left of her credibility cruiseship.

The more the Defense lets her talk, the worse it's going to be for her.

JMO

 

[MrJ]

I hope the kids know that we, the general public, support them. They are victims too in all of this. I can forgive lying for their mother because they're loyal to her, hell what kid that loves their parents isn't?

 

[iamshadow21]

3m ago13.02 AEST
Patterson says on Sunday morning Simon told her his parents also had diarrhea and were at Korumburra Hospital.


She recalls driving her son to his flying lesson in Tyabb. Her daughter was also in the car.

Patterson says en route she pulled to the side of the road and went to the toilet in a bush,

She says she had diarrhoea.

Mandy asks about evidence heard earlier in the trial, that Patterson and her children stopped at a service station.

“The internal footage shows you going into the bathroom,” Mandy says.

Patterson says she put the soiled tissues in the bin in the toilet. She then bought food items for her children.


Patterson says she did not buy anything for herself and did not eat any of the purchased food.

Her son’s flying lesson was cancelled due to poor weather and they turned back, the court hears.

On the way back, Patterson says her son bought a coffee for her at a donut van. She says she asked her son to get her a drink and he likely bought her a coffee as “habit”.

When they returned home, Patterson ran for the toilet, the court hears.

Excuse me, she brought the soiled tissues back into the car with her, rather than just leaving them at the roadside?

Hands up if you've ever brought the tissues or toilet paper back with you after you've been caught short.

Doesn't everyone leave it behind on the ground, with their poo and their dignity?

MOO

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Q: Do we know how her children got to the movie cinema on the day of the lunch?

I believe Simon dropped them off, along with a friend of the son. I assume they were picked up from Erin's, but maybe they stayed at Simon's the night before, and picked up the friend on the way?

 

[Gavel Rash]

Was Erin’s urine sample clear of any drugs ie was there any evidence of laxatives in the tests?
The nurse reported that there was no evidence of diarrhoea more liquid consistent with urine.
Could she has feigned the same symptoms to look like she was also suffering similar results after meal?
Laxatives such as Coloxyl are detectable for up to 32 hours whereas sodium picosulphate ie movicol is not necessarily detectable but both cause symptoms of gastric upset and loose stools.

 

[katydid23]

As for 'accidentally picked', bear in mind that the Victorian government pushes out warnings seasonally and IMO anyone who habitually forages wild mushrooms would be well aware of them:

Poisonous mushrooms growing in Victoria

Poisonous mushrooms including Death Cap mushrooms and Yellow-staining mushrooms occur in Victoria during Autumn, as the weather becomes wetter and cooler.

www.health.vic.gov.au

AND look at what the advisory warning says:

These mushrooms usually grow under oak trees and the caps are 40-160mm in diameter. The cap ranges in colour from pale yellow to green and olive brown and the ridges on the underside of the cap (gills) are white. The base of the stem has a membrane ‘cup’.

Yellow-staining mushrooms​

 

[Detechtive]

I feel ill, and not because of the fecal testimony and lack of hygiene displayed by Erin. Especially handling food after not washing her hands after the alleged diarrhoea incident on the side of the road.

It feels like she's been sitting in the court brooding and coming up with a 'cork' for lack of a better term to plug every single hole in the story. Everyone else in Erin's narrative is a liar, according to her testimony.

It feels dark, manipulative, and sickening. IMO

 

[HoneyBunOne]

So why did she send the kids off to the movies?

Allegedly so they wouldn't be there when the scary talk of cancer came up. Or allegedly so they wouldn't witness anything or accidently eat death cap wellingtons. Either/or.

 

[Detechtive]

Was Erin’s urine sample clear of any drugs ie was there any evidence of laxatives in the tests?
The nurse reported that there was no evidence of diarrhoea more liquid consistent with urine.
Could she has feigned the same symptoms to look like she was also suffering similar results after meal?
Laxatives such as Coloxyl are detectable for up to 32 hours whereas sodium picosulphate ie movicol is not necessarily detectable but both cause symptoms of gastric upset and loose stools.

I doubt they would have tested for that. They are usually only really testing for electrolytes and pathogens, IMO.

 

[MsMarple]

now04.19 BST
Patterson was asked about the ingredients used in the beef wellington lunch.

Webster expressed concern the lunch contained death cap mushrooms.

Patterson says she was “shocked and confused”.

“I didn’t see how death cap mushrooms could be in the meal,” she says.

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6m ago04.13 BST
Arriving at Leongatha hospital on Monday morning, Patterson recalled telling a staff member she needed to use the toilet.

“I waited in the waiting area for someone to come out,” she says.

Patterson recalls Dr Chris Webster, who previously testified, opening the doors to the waiting room and apologising for the delay.

He told her the urgent care centre had two “critically ill” people.

“I told him that’s fine, I’ve just got gastro. It’s not urgent,” she says.

Patterson says when she told Webster his name he said “we’ve been expecting you.”

She says this “could be wrong” but is “just what she remembers.”

Patterson was then escorted into the urgent care centre.

She says she felt “thrown” by Webster knowing who she was.

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8m ago13.12 AEST
Patterson says on the Sunday evening she removed the mushroom and pastry from the leftover beef wellington. She then served it to her children.

She recalls not being able to each much food. Patterson went to bed about 10pm or 11pm.

During the night, she felt the diarrhoea coming back “more strongly” than before.

Patterson got up around 6am the following morning.

She says she was unable to “retain” fluid and decided to go to hospital.

Patterson recalls calling Simon because she did not want to go to the hospital alone. Simon told her he was sleeping and she should drive herself, the court hears.

 

[southgoldengirl]

That's the thing isn't it. This will be forever online for them to pour over.

I am certain her son and daughter would have remembered her pulling off the road to go to the toilet.

It's so utterly sad and tragic for them.

They have lost their grandparents due to a meal that their mother cooked.

Their mother has been charged with the murders of 3 people and attempted murder of another.

I'm hoping like hell she isn't bringing her children into a false narrative to bolster her defense

 

[katydid23]

Gross....

Just now
Flight lessons cancelled and Pattersons return home

By Joseph Dunstan

On the way back, after the flying lesson was cancelled, they stopped at the Koo Wee Rup donut van.

Erin says her children took her ATM card and bought some things, including a coffee for her.

She says she didn't ask for a coffee specifically, and it would have been "habit" for her son to get something for her.

Ms Patterson says as soon as they arrived home, she ran "pretty quickly" for the toilet.

"The diarrhoea was continuing but my nausea wasn't such a huge issue anymore," she says.

I do hope the jurors realise that by this point in time, while she was driving around and fixing leftovers for the kids, her 4 lunch guests were SEVERELY ILL, too weak to be doing anything that EP was doing. They would not have been able to drive around, walk around, etc.

And just because EP was younger, that does not mean she wouldn't have been severely ill as well. No matter how old/young one is, if the deadly toxins enter the blood stream and the liver, etc, one will become very compromised and will deteriorate as time goes on.

 

[browneyes]

Rbbm

Those kind of lies will not ingratiate jurors.

Denies it's her own son?????

Turning her big ship around? More like, she is sinking what's left of her credibility cruiseship.

The more the Defense lets her talk, the worse it's going to be for her.

JMO

I know I have some *I can’t type here thoughts about her*. The defense is a mess.

 

[MrJ]

It's so utterly sad and tragic for them.

They have lost their grandparents due to a meal that their mother cooked.

Their mother has been charged with the murders of 3 people and attempted murder of another.

I'm hoping like hell she isn't bringing her children into a false narrative to bolster her defense

I have an awful feeling there's no-one she won't throw under the bus to save her own skin. jmo

 

[Lisa4]

How much do we know around the detail and timing of professional persons becoming suspicious that this was possibly more than a genuine accidental deathcap mushroom case?

Asking here in case anyone more familiar with the details has a quick answer. In the meantime, I will look back myself.

 

[Detechtive]

I wonder if the prosecution will call rebuttal witnesses. I believe they can, with the judges permission.

 

[Detechtive]

How much do we know around the detail and timing of professional persons becoming suspicious that this was possibly more than a genuine accidental deathcap mushroom case?

Asking here in case anyone more familiar with the details has a quick answer. In the meantime, I will look back myself.

I think it was around the afternoon of the next day (Sunday) that they suspected Death Cap poisoning due to the severity of the symptoms - at this time, the elderly guests were being admitted to ICU, as far as I recall.