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10 minutes ago
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'They just continued to love me': How Don and Gail treated Erin amid split from Simon
Erin and Simon’s daughter was born in January 2014, on the same day as their son’s first day of school.
“Simon left the hospital to take (our son) to his first day of school, and then Nana and Papa brought (him) in at the end of the day to meet (our daughter),” she said.
Mr Mandy is now asking Erin about her separation with Simon towards the end of 2015.
“How did the two of you handle that separation? What was the arrangement?” he asks.
“We tried to figure out a good arrangement for the children. You know, they had different needs. (Our daughter) was only one, (our son) was six. (He) had school,” she said.
“(Our daughter) needed a lot of attention, and so we tried really hard to work out an arrangement where the kids could be together and spend as much as possible time with each.”


She said they wrote down what their assets were, including two properties, cash and what was owed to them from Simon’s siblings, then split it between each other.
No lawyers were involved.
She said she didn’t want to separate but felt she had “no choice” but they remained “good friends”.
Asked what the primary issue was in the relationship, she said: “If we had a disagreement or any kind of conflict, we didn’t seem to be able to talk about it in a way where either of us felt heard or understood, we just would feel hurt, and we didn’t really know how to do that.”
After the separation, Simon setup his own engineering consultancy before he got a job with a property development firm a few years later which required long hours.
The family still went on holidays together.
“We went to Tasmania a couple of times,” she said.
“We went to Queensland, went to New Zealand, we went to South Africa, and we went a lot of times to my mum’s house in Eden, in New South Wales.”
They also went to family gatherings together.
Asked if her relationship with Don and Gail had changed, Erin’s voice cracked as she said: “It never changed. I was just their daughter-in-law and they just continued to love me.”
“In terms of Don and Gail, you and the children continue to see them often?” Mr Mandy asks.
“We did. We’d go to their house often for lunch with Simon. Without Simon, they would drop in and knock on my door sometimes to drop things off,” she said.
“They would have (our children) to play and have sleepovers.”

4 minutes ago

Relationship to God, church explored
After returning from WA, Erin began attending Korumburra Baptist Church, where she often chatted with the Wilkinsons.
“I’d always have a chat with them after church, if I could, you know, Ian was very popular as the pastor, and always had a lot of people wanting to talk to him, but Heather would always make a point of coming to talk to me, and I saw them sometimes at Christmas gatherings,” she said.
By 2015, she was regularly attending church with her children.
“What was your attitude to religion during those years? Or to God?” Mr Mandy asks.
“It remained how it had been since 2005 – I was a Christian,” she said, adding her son also went to a youth group.
Erin said she helped with live-streaming of services, and with a website.
“When Covid began in March of 2020, and churches couldn’t meet, Simon and Don and maybe some others, you know, quickly set up an ability to stream the services,” she said.
“Don was … was like a coding genius. He set up the website and made it all happen.”
After Gail became unwell with encephalitis a few months later, she said Don was struggling and so she offered to help out to take “a bit of the load off his shoulders”.
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Erin said she regularly attended church services at Korumburra Baptist Church, where Ian Wilkinson is the pastor. Picture: Getty Images

1 minute ago
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'I thought we would bring the family back together': Erin's plans to reconcile with Simon
Mr Mandy asks about her chats with her Facebook friends, and if she ever spoke about her religious beliefs.
“They would sort of gently make fun of the fact that I was religious … but it was sort of all in good humor. But I do think there were a couple of occasions where I might have been maybe unhappy about some sort of aspects of organised religion,” she said.
Mr Mandy now asks about her properties.
Erin said the Nason Street, Korumburra property was bought in 2015, and it remained Simon’s home.
She purchased another property on Shellcot Rd, Korumburra in 2017 or 2018, which she moved into, before buying another property up the road.
A property at Anthony Court, Korumburra was also sold, before she bought a home in Lyons St, Mount Waverley, and a block of land on Gibson St, Leongatha in 2019.
Gibson St was put in both her and her husband’s name.
“Why was that, given that you’d been separated for four years?” Mr Mandy asks.
“From my perspective … I always thought that we would bring the family back together,” Erin replies.
“That was what I wanted and I did that because I wanted some way to demonstrate to Simon that that’s what I really believed and wanted. It was something, you know, tangible to say this is I see a future for us.”
 
  • #522
2m ago11.00 AEST

Colin Mandy SC turns to Erin and Simon Patterson’s relationship​

Erin says when they separated permanently in 2015, they wrote down the assets they owned and “divided it down the middle”.

She says no lawyers were involved.

Patterson says at the time the couple owned two properties. She says the couple each took over a remaining loan to Simon’s siblings and their partners.

Patterson reflects on the permanent separation:









Patterson says the family continued to go on holidays together after the separation.

She says they went to Queensland, New Zealand, South Africa and “a lot of time” at her mother’s house in Eden, NSW.

Mandy asks about Patterson’s relationship with Simon’s parents, Don and Gail Patterson, after the couple’s permanent separation.

Her voices appears to break as she answers:


It never changed. I was just their daughter in law and they just continued to love me.

So in fact they had already had their settlement?
 
  • #523
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Erin was convinced she had a brain tumour

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin then details another chapter of health concerns where she was worried by chronic and increasingly frequent headaches.

She says she turned to "Doctor Google" and convinced herself she had a brain tumour and then was referred for MRI.

Mr Mandy then brings up a few images showing an internet search result on ovarian cancer, specifically about it metastasising to the brain.
 
  • #524
1m ago11.20 AEST

Erin wanted to ‘bring the family back together’​

Barrister Colin Mandy SC asks his client why at one stage there were three properties in both Erin and Simon Patterson’s name when the the couple had been separated for four years.

I always thought we would bring the family back together. That is what I wanted ... It was something tangible to say to Simon, I see a future for us.
Mandy asks Patterson if she has ever been diagnosed with ovarian cancer.

I have not.
Mandy asks if Patterson has ever had a needle biopsy on a lump on her elbow.

I’ve never had a needle biopsy anywhere.
Patterson says she was worried about potentially having ovarian cancer.

She says a few years ago her symptoms included feeling “very fatigued”, ongoing abdominal pain and weight gain.

She says at one stage her wedding ring suddenly would not fit and after being resized her “hands had outgrown” it again.

Under questioning by Mandy, Patterson agrees she had been googling her symptoms.

I consulted Dr Google.

 
  • #525
7 minutes ago - 11:16 AMMax Corstorphan

Patterson tells court she ‘didn’t trust’ health care system​

Ms Patterson has told the court how she “didn’t trust” the health system following an incident with her daughter’s health.

“It considerably damaged my faith in the health system,” she told the court.

“I didn’t love hospitals.

“I didn’t trust that these people knew what they were doing.”

She explained she was in a “heightened sense of anxiety” after an incident with her young daughter.

Ms Patterson emotionally told the court she “didn’t want to lose” her daughter.

3 minutes ago - 11:20 AMMax Corstorphan

Patterson tells court she never had cancer, but turned to ‘Dr Google’ for ‘self-diagnosis’​

Ms Paterson was asked if she had ever had ovarian cancer.

“No, I have not,” Ms Patterson told the court.

“I’ve never had a needle biopsy anywhere.”

She explained she was “worried” she had cancer after turning to “Dr Google”.

Ms Patterson also explained she later thought she had a brain tumour, which, after consulting “Dr Google”, she sought an MRI from a healthcare professional.

She called all of this a “self-diagnosis” in 2021.

Just now - 11:23 AMMax Corstorphan

‘Every headache is not a brain tumour,’ Patterson says​

Ms Patterson confirmed she told her former partner, Simon Patterson, about her concerns over her health in 2021.

Reflecting on her use of Google for “self-diagnosis”, Ms Patterson said she felt she “wasted” a lot of time, both hers and that of healthcare professionals.

“Every headache is not a brain tumour”, she said.

 
  • #526
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1m ago
'The train just kept going', Erin says of health concerns

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin says she also looked into multiple sclerosis and lupus and auto-immune conditions.

She says her GP referred her to a rheumatologist and general physician.

"The train just kept going," she says of that period of researching her medical symptoms.

"I think I wasted a lot of time, not just my time, but medical people's time, through all my "doctor Googling".

"It's hard to justify it but with the benefit of hindsight I can see that ... I just lost so much faith in the medical system that I decided that, anything to do with my health and the children's health [I'll sort myself]."

She says she now realises doctors have the training required to help them assess the cause of things.
 
  • #527
11.19am

‘Overanxious mother’: The moment that shattered Erin Patterson’s trust in the health system​

By​

The accused can be seen occasionally grinning and fiddling with her hands.

Her lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, has moved to a new line of questioning: his client’s health history.

Patterson said she had never been diagnosed with ovarian cancer or had a biopsy on her elbow, but she confirmed she had raised concerns she might have cancer with doctors. “I’d been having for a few months a multitude of symptoms. I felt very fatigued, I had ongoing abdominal pain, I had chronic headaches. I put on a lot of weight in quite a short period of time ... my feet and my hands seemed to retain a lot of fluid,” she said.

Patterson said that what sent her “over the edge” to go to the doctor was that her wedding ring would no longer fit. She said she had gone to get it resized but it did not fit again within a short period. “I consulted with Dr Google,” she said.

“I had a family history of it on both sides of my parents. I’d had an ovarian cyst myself in about 2002 and my daughter had an ovarian mass when she was a baby.″⁣

Patterson said her daughter would cry for long periods of time, so she decided to take her to the doctors, who told her she was an “overanxious mother” and she should relax. “She was eight months old by the time it was actually diagnosed,” she said.

Patterson said she discovered the mass while massaging her daughter’s abdomen after a bath in August 2013.

“They still dismissed me, even then. They thought she just had a very full bladder,” she said.

But the lump remained.

It was that experience, that moment, Patterson says, that considerably damaged her faith in the health system.

Patterson said she didn’t like hospitals before, but the experience made her distrust health professionals. “I didn’t want to lose her,” she said.

In January 2015, when she discharged herself from the hospital, Erin said her experience played a part in her decision. “I didn’t want to be there,” she said.

Patterson said that after the removal of the mass from her daughter’s ovary, she continued to have ongoing pain and gastrointestinal issues. “She got to a point where she was four and they finally did an X-ray on her which showed that she was completely backed up,” she said.

Patterson said the experience was distressing for her daughter. “She’s 11 and she still remembers that.”

 
  • #528
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Stoush over child support between Simon and Erin

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin says the topic of child support first came up in her memory in October of 2022 as she was preparing tax return paperwork.

She says in a discussion with Simon, she learnt he had listed himself as single on his tax return.

"I said words to the effect of 'well that's good, now I can claim a family tax benefit' that I had been precluded from [until that point]," she says.

She says those who are single and wanting to claim family tax benefits need to put in a child support application from the other parent in order to do that.

Erin says she was frustrated that she hadn't learnt earlier when she could have applied for the family tax benefit, but that was her only annoyance.

Mr Mandy asks if that issue snowballed into other issues about finances.

"Yeah, it did, it did," Erin says.
 
  • #529

10 minutes ago
HIGHLIGHT
'They just continued to love me': How Don and Gail treated Erin amid split from Simon
Erin and Simon’s daughter was born in January 2014, on the same day as their son’s first day of school.
“Simon left the hospital to take (our son) to his first day of school, and then Nana and Papa brought (him) in at the end of the day to meet (our daughter),” she said.
Mr Mandy is now asking Erin about her separation with Simon towards the end of 2015.
“How did the two of you handle that separation? What was the arrangement?” he asks.
“We tried to figure out a good arrangement for the children. You know, they had different needs. (Our daughter) was only one, (our son) was six. (He) had school,” she said.
“(Our daughter) needed a lot of attention, and so we tried really hard to work out an arrangement where the kids could be together and spend as much as possible time with each.”


She said they wrote down what their assets were, including two properties, cash and what was owed to them from Simon’s siblings, then split it between each other.
No lawyers were involved.
She said she didn’t want to separate but felt she had “no choice” but they remained “good friends”.
Asked what the primary issue was in the relationship, she said: “If we had a disagreement or any kind of conflict, we didn’t seem to be able to talk about it in a way where either of us felt heard or understood, we just would feel hurt, and we didn’t really know how to do that.”
After the separation, Simon setup his own engineering consultancy before he got a job with a property development firm a few years later which required long hours.
The family still went on holidays together.
“We went to Tasmania a couple of times,” she said.
“We went to Queensland, went to New Zealand, we went to South Africa, and we went a lot of times to my mum’s house in Eden, in New South Wales.”
They also went to family gatherings together.
Asked if her relationship with Don and Gail had changed, Erin’s voice cracked as she said: “It never changed. I was just their daughter-in-law and they just continued to love me.”
“In terms of Don and Gail, you and the children continue to see them often?” Mr Mandy asks.
“We did. We’d go to their house often for lunch with Simon. Without Simon, they would drop in and knock on my door sometimes to drop things off,” she said.
“They would have (our children) to play and have sleepovers.”

4 minutes ago

Relationship to God, church explored
After returning from WA, Erin began attending Korumburra Baptist Church, where she often chatted with the Wilkinsons.
“I’d always have a chat with them after church, if I could, you know, Ian was very popular as the pastor, and always had a lot of people wanting to talk to him, but Heather would always make a point of coming to talk to me, and I saw them sometimes at Christmas gatherings,” she said.
By 2015, she was regularly attending church with her children.
“What was your attitude to religion during those years? Or to God?” Mr Mandy asks.
“It remained how it had been since 2005 – I was a Christian,” she said, adding her son also went to a youth group.
Erin said she helped with live-streaming of services, and with a website.
“When Covid began in March of 2020, and churches couldn’t meet, Simon and Don and maybe some others, you know, quickly set up an ability to stream the services,” she said.
“Don was … was like a coding genius. He set up the website and made it all happen.”
After Gail became unwell with encephalitis a few months later, she said Don was struggling and so she offered to help out to take “a bit of the load off his shoulders”.
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Erin said she regularly attended church services at Korumburra Baptist Church, where Ian Wilkinson is the pastor. Picture: Getty Images

1 minute ago
HIGHLIGHT
'I thought we would bring the family back together': Erin's plans to reconcile with Simon
Mr Mandy asks about her chats with her Facebook friends, and if she ever spoke about her religious beliefs.
“They would sort of gently make fun of the fact that I was religious … but it was sort of all in good humor. But I do think there were a couple of occasions where I might have been maybe unhappy about some sort of aspects of organised religion,” she said.
Mr Mandy now asks about her properties.
Erin said the Nason Street, Korumburra property was bought in 2015, and it remained Simon’s home.
She purchased another property on Shellcot Rd, Korumburra in 2017 or 2018, which she moved into, before buying another property up the road.
A property at Anthony Court, Korumburra was also sold, before she bought a home in Lyons St, Mount Waverley, and a block of land on Gibson St, Leongatha in 2019.
Gibson St was put in both her and her husband’s name.
“Why was that, given that you’d been separated for four years?” Mr Mandy asks.
“From my perspective … I always thought that we would bring the family back together,” Erin replies.
“That was what I wanted and I did that because I wanted some way to demonstrate to Simon that that’s what I really believed and wanted. It was something, you know, tangible to say this is I see a future for us.”
So in 2020 she had hopes of reconciling with Simon? It will be interesting to see if she talks about Simon's parents thoughts on the both of them reconciling...
 
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1m ago
'The train just kept going', Erin says of health concerns

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin says she also looked into multiple sclerosis and lupus and auto-immune conditions.

She says her GP referred her to a rheumatologist and general physician.

"The train just kept going," she says of that period of researching her medical symptoms.

"I think I wasted a lot of time, not just my time, but medical people's time, through all my "doctor Googling".

"It's hard to justify it but with the benefit of hindsight I can see that ... I just lost so much faith in the medical system that I decided that, anything to do with my health and the children's health [I'll sort myself]."

She says she now realises doctors have the training required to help them assess the cause of things.
Oh pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaseeeeeee

Her poor GP
 
  • #531
Is this supposed to make her look better?
 
  • #532
Ridiculous crap 🎻 🥱
 
  • #533
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Erin felt 'hurt' by manner of invite to Gail Patterson's birthday

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin puts on her glasses as a piece of evidence is brought up on the monitor sitting in front of her in the witness box.

The first message, from Erin to Simon in November 2022, is about working out family schedules around the children.

In Simon's reply, he gives some feedback on that, and then shortly afterwards asks if she's coming to Gail's birthday lunch at the pub with the kids.

In Erin's reply, she said she didn't know anything about the birthday lunch for Gail.

Erin says she "felt hurt" because she felt she'd been left off the invite list.

"But I was also annoyed with myself because I had forgotten that it was a big birthday coming up for Gail, but yeah, I was hurt," she says.
 
  • #534
Oh pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaseeeeeee

Her poor GP
Yeah this is health anxiety / hypochondria

I’m not sure how the defence thinks this is of benefit.
 
  • #535
People do have bad experiences with our over stretched & under resourced health systems, but when every experience seems to be negative................I have to ask why.

I also guess she never consulted DR Google on radiation effects on children either.......
 
  • #536
Wow.......

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Erin Patterson lashes out over invite

By Joseph Dunstan

The messages continue back and forth, with Simon telling Erin his dad thought he had invited Erin but perhaps he was confused.

Erin: I'm not too sure how your dad could have been confused what we were talking about. It's pretty obvious in this conversation. Seems that my invite to tomorrow is a bit of an afterthought and not even from your parents so I might pass thanks as I'd rather not go somewhere I'm not welcome.

Simon: Oh c'mon, that's ridiculous. You really reckon dad is lying? Anyhow, I'd like to pick the kids up at [time] please.

Erin: What I reckon is that everybody forgot to actually invite me to this thing and I feel very very hurt about that and your response is to say I'm being ridiculous.

Erin says Don later reached out to her and she agreed to go to the lunch.

She tells the court she had yelled at Simon when he had come to the house to pick up their daughter.
 
  • #537
2m ago02.31 BST
Erin Patterson says she was told she was an ‘overly anxious mother’

Patterson says her family’s health history added to her concern about potentially having ovarian cancer.

She touches on the health issues of her daughter with an ovarian mass.

She says her daughter was diagnosed with an ovarian mass when she was eight months old.

Right from when she was born, I thought there was something wrong. She cried a lot but not normal crying.
She says doctors told her she was an “overly anxious mother who should relax.”

Patterson’s voice cracks as she recalls feeling “something” when giving her daughter a massage.

They still dismissed me.
She says doctors said her daughter probably had a “very full bladder.”

She says the experience “considerably damaged my faith in the health system”.

2m ago02.32 BST
Erin Patterson also recalls a “traumatic” health issue where her daughter required a nasogastric tube and was screaming in hospital.

She says her daughter still remembers this.

Colin Mandy SC asks about photographs previously shown to the jury of search history extracted from a computer police seized from Patterson’s house.

He says this shows Patterson was googling symptoms she thought she had.

“That’s correct,” Patterson says.

 
  • #538
Key Event
Just now
Stoush over child support between Simon and Erin

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin says the topic of child support first came up in her memory in October of 2022 as she was preparing tax return paperwork.

She says in a discussion with Simon, she learnt he had listed himself as single on his tax return.

"I said words to the effect of 'well that's good, now I can claim a family tax benefit' that I had been precluded from [until that point]," she says.

She says those who are single and wanting to claim family tax benefits need to put in a child support application from the other parent in order to do that.

Erin says she was frustrated that she hadn't learnt earlier when she could have applied for the family tax benefit, but that was her only annoyance.

Mr Mandy asks if that issue snowballed into other issues about finances.

"Yeah, it did, it did," Erin says.
I don't think this will get much sympathy from any of the jurors who are all taxpayers and don't think it's helping her case at all.

She stated prior to this that she and Simon own multiple properties and the amount of inheritances she received, yet she claims family tax benefit and gets upset if her estranged husband is being truthful and she can't claim it anymore?!
 
  • #539
God...
1m ago
Erin and Simon reconcile

By Joseph Dunstan

Erin later sent Simon a message apologising for shouting at him about the issue during a conversation.

"I was feeling very hurt and lashed out, it's no excuse. I'd like to not do that again," she texted him.

Simon replied the next day: "Thanks for that. I'm sorry I raised my voice and tone too (I wouldn't call what either of us did shouting, but I'm sure we're referring to the same thing, no matter what we call it!), and I'm sorry for interrupting you too. I'd like to be much more calm and listen better than I did yesterday."

Erin says the exchange is "typical" of their exchanges, where Simon maybe "doesn't get feelings" so well and then she feels unheard.

"That was how things flowed," she says.

Erin tells the court that arguments like this would happen weekly when they lived together.

This calmed to once every three to six months once they were separated.
 
  • #540
People do have bad experiences with our over stretched & under resourced health systems, but when every experience seems to be negative................I have to ask why.

I also guess she never consulted DR Google on radiation effects on children either.......
I wonder if she ever consulted Dr Google on the risks associated with eating Death Cap mushrooms?
 
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