Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

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She’s Simon’s family’s PR

Why would a PR person be considered necessary? Simon and his family are not on trial. What would the PR person hope to achieve?

 

[drsleuth]

4.24pm

Erin Patterson’s children knew of her mushroom foraging habits​

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Erin Patterson’s children definitely knew that she was picking mushrooms and might have spotted some for her on some occasions.

She said she had a habit of taking the mushrooms home, cleaning them, slicing them and putting them in a Tupperware container in her pantry if she wasn’t going to use them that day.

Patterson told the court that the mushrooms she bought from an Asian grocer in Melbourne in April 2023 smelled very pungent, so she put them in a container and took them back to her home in Leongatha.

Patterson told the court she remembered putting wild mushrooms that she had dehydrated in about May or June 2023 in a container that already contained other dried mushrooms.

Day 25, as it happened: Patterson concedes death cap mushrooms were in beef Wellington she fed guests

Accused killer cook Erin Patterson has conceded death cap mushrooms were in a beef Wellington she fed her lunch guests after telling a jury she often foraged for fungi and enjoyed buying exotic varieties because they tasted better.

www.theage.com.au

 

[southgoldengirl]

well, she claims it was unbeknownst.

But anyway, the point I'm making is: the foraged death caps were dried on the dehydrator. There are traces on there. But she's trying to pass the buck onto these mysterious Asian store mushrooms (that public health investigations couldn't find a trace of and she has no receipt for...) but they were already pre-dried. So she wouldn't have put them on the dehydrator, (if they existed at all) So whether she used them or not its actually immaterial if she also purchased mushrooms from the Asian food store, because she has used the death caps she foraged in the meal.

Yes I agree with you, I think it's a pack of bs. I'm merely saying I think this may be her defense and she's hoping the jury will fall for it

 

[JLZ]

I’m lost. Death caps were found in the dehydrator. She bought dried (ie already dehydrated) mushrooms from the Asian grocery (allegedly). Where’s she going with this?

I think she is raising the possibility that the death cap traces in the dehydrator were from another foraging occasion when she did not eat or feed anybody the mushrooms because the experiment didn't work to her satisfaction. That the death caps that killed the guests could have been from Woolworths or from an Asian grocer. I'm not clear whether she admits or denies that the beef wellingtons also contained mushrooms of her own foraging.

She is trying to create a scenario where she's completely blameless. No murder, no manslaughter, no attempt.

 

[drsleuth]

45 minutes ago - 04:28 PMMax Corstorphan

‘Pungent’ mushrooms from Asian grocer put in container and left in cupboard ahead of fatal lunch​

Ahead of the fatal lunch that Ms Patterson accepts included death cap mushrooms, the accused told the court that she had purchased some “pungent” mushrooms from an Asian grocer in Melbourne that she had intended to use in another meal.

“I was going to use them the day I bought them, but they were very pungent,” she said.

She told the court she decided not to use them that day, instead putting them in a container that she placed in the cupboard of her Leongatha home.

Ms Patterson went on to confirm that those “pungent” mushrooms ended up in the cupboard alongside other dehydrated mushrooms ahead of the fatal lunch.

She said she would add mushrooms that she had dehydrated into containers she “already had going” with other dehydrated mushrooms.

43 minutes ago - 04:30 PMMax Corstorphan

Trial adjourned for day - Erin Patterson to continue evidence on Wednesday​

Justice Beale took the pause after Ms Patterson’s latest piece of evidence to adjourn court for the day.

Ms Paterson will return to the witness box on Wednesday.

 

[southgoldengirl]

But she's still saying the mushrooms she put in the meal were from the Asian grocer and Woolworths, not withstanding that she said the mushrooms she purchased from the random Asian grocer nobody could find were already dried and didn't need to be dehydrated, and we know DC were found in the dehydrator.

I believe this is called gaslighting and or pathological lying.

Yes I agree with you

 

[Detechtive]

Why would a PR person be considered necessary? Simon and his family are not on trial. What would the PR person hope to achieve?

Protect them from intense media scrutiny and handle any statements they wish to make.
This case has garnered world wide attention, and they would have been hounded by media for comment. It makes total sense to me why they would have a PR person in place.

 

[katydid23]

10 months old. Baby born Jan 09, trip back to Perth from Townsville Nov 09

It'd actually be easier with a 4 month old. They would sleep much of the day and aren't very mobile. They tend to dusty where you put them.

But a 9 or 10 month old----much harder to keep them happy on a road trip when you are the only care taker.

 

[drsleuth]

Apologies if I have doubled up on some updates!

 

[MrJ]

Similar feelings about being angry as @Detechtive has stated. I'm really disgusted that EP is still going through with this Asian grocer story. It's throwing often marginalised groups under the bus to serve herself. If she did buy them from one, why hasn't there been any recalls? They don't accidentally pack death caps. She's ascribing negativity to Asians in the same way she thought country people were 'illiterate' and it's actually appalling. IMO

 

[Detechtive]

I think she is raising the possibility that the death cap traces in the dehydrator were from another foraging occasion when she did not eat or feed anybody the mushrooms because the experiment didn't work to her satisfaction. That the death caps that killed the guests could have been from Woolworths or from an Asian grocer. I'm not clear whether she admits or denies that the beef wellingtons also contained mushrooms of her own foraging.

She is trying to create a scenario where she's completely blameless. No murder, no manslaughter, no attempt.

Exactly right. If she admits that she accidentally foraged Death Caps and fed them to her guests, she is at least on the hook for manslaughter.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Why would a PR person be considered necessary? Simon and his family are not on trial. What would the PR person hope to achieve?

To assist them to navigate the media sh*tstorm... This is their media spokesperson, to protect the people who have already been traumatised well enough!

 

[JLZ]

Didnt her child say in his testimony that he had never foraged or picked mushrooms with his mum?

To put it delicately, the child is loyal.

 

[Eloise]

Apologies if I have doubled up on some updates!

thank you for doing them!

 

[southgoldengirl]

I think she is raising the possibility that the death cap traces in the dehydrator were from another foraging occasion when she did not eat or feed anybody the mushrooms because the experiment didn't work to her satisfaction. That the death caps that killed the guests could have been from Woolworths or from an Asian grocer. I'm not clear whether she admits or denies that the beef wellingtons also contained mushrooms of her own foraging.

She is trying to create a scenario where she's completely blameless. No murder, no manslaughter, no attempt.

I agree, that's what I was trying to say in a previous post but you said it better than I did

 

[Detechtive]

It'd actually be easier with a 4 month old. They would sleep much of the day and aren't very mobile. They tend to dusty where you put them.

But a 9 or 10 month old----much harder to keep them happy on a road trip when you are the only care taker.

Exactly. Would probably even be easier with a newborn. They just sleep and eat. A 9 month old is on solid foods and also bottles. They also need a lot more stimulation.

 

[Salah11]

Her story just becomes more ridiculous as the days go by. So not only was she lucky enough that nobody she was close to got poisoned by that awful lunch. She was the only one to buy poisoned mushrooms from a shop ( which she couldn’t pin point rather conveniently) and again nobody else for miles around got sick just her pooor relatives that she has issues with.

MOO

 

[MsMarple]

Yes, maybe tomorrow she wil go on to say that she was mistaken that they were already dried (when she told the council health person).

I think she might take this approach as she explained in the wittness box today that she reguarly bought different types of asian mushrooms while going to her house in Mount Waverley. Maybe sometimes dried sometimes not.

And it’s maddening that earlier she mentioned shopping at various Asian stores at various times yet couldn’t come up with a description of even one of them.

This is the supposedly intelligent woman who took courses and read books? She was able to describe building IKEA bookshelves from years ago. She remembered all the places she traveled to. But couldn’t remember one grocery store, not even its general vicinity? Good luck with that nursing degree, you’ll need a decent memory to pass your exams.

 

[MrJ]

And it’s maddening that earlier she mentioned shopping at various Asian stores at various times yet couldn’t come up with a description of even one of them.

This is the supposedly intelligent woman who took courses and read books? She was able to describe building IKEA bookshelves from years ago. She remembered all the places she traveled to. But couldn’t remember one grocery store, not even its general vicinity? Good luck with that nursing degree, you’ll need a decent memory to pass your exams.

IMO all examples of EP having a selective memory.

 

[Ellery84]

To put it delicately, the child is loyal.

Exactly!!