Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Cliff Hardy]

She has maintained from the beginning that the children are the leftovers and has never deviated from that. That seems to be an important part of the story for her. IMO (for this element of the story at least), yes she did plan ahead. Other areas it’s clear she didn’t anticipate events unfolding the way they did.

IMO the “children ate the leftovers” part of the story has always been her failsafe, if you will, to show that she can’t have poisoned anyone, it can’t have been the lunch she made, they all must have got gastro from somewhere else!! If I am willing to feed my children these leftovers, how could I have deliberately poisoned them? Etc etc

All MOO

Must have been poisoned from somewhere else according to Erin's thinking. But where else had the poisoned 4 been in common and eaten for that to have occurred?

Even if the 4 had eaten mushrooms anywhere else recently, wouldn't survivor Ian have recalled that?

Oh please Erin, lie after lie. Deflection after deflection. Don't recall after don't recall.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Erin says she put mushrooms from Asian grocer in food dehydrator​

The prosecutor then takes the accused to evidence previously given by health official Sally Ann Atkinson, who was leading the public health investigation into the death cap poisoning, amid fears toxic mushrooms were in the Victorian supply chain.

"You recognised that this was being treated as a public health emergency, didn't you?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I did," Ms Patterson says.

Ms Atkinson previously told the court that the listing of possible suburbs where dried mushrooms were purchased from an Asian grocer given by Ms Patterson changed during conversations, initially including Mount Waverley, before swapping to Glen Waverley.

Ms Patterson tells the court she believes Ms Atkinson was mistaken about that.

Dr Rogers notes that Ms Atkinson previously told the court that Ms Patterson had told her the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer "smelled funny" when she bought them in April so she'd put them into a container, before using them months later in the beef Wellington.

"You agree you did not put any mushrooms from the Asian grocery store into your dehydrator?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I think I did at one point ... I remember after using the dehydrator quite a few times and noticing how crisp things were when they came out after quite a number of hours, I remember feeling the mushrooms in the Tupperware container and they weren't like that, they were quite rubbery ... so I whacked them in the dehydrator for a couple of hours," Ms Patterson says.

She says she did it just the once, sometime after buying them.

She is a fruitloop ! Friggin hell

 

[Scooby-Doo]

If it had been accidental, they would have found more than one species of mushroom in Erins's tossed-out dehydrator, but they didn't.

She would also have been seriously ill despite vomiting hours later.

And she wouldn't give her kids leftovers.

 

[drsleuth]

Key Event
2m ago

Beef Wellington 'the perfect dish' for pungent mushrooms, Erin says​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Ms Patterson agrees that she had told Ms Atkinson the dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer were strong-smelling and she avoided using them initially.

Dr Rogers puts to her that "if they were overpowering, surely you would have been worried" about putting them in the beef Wellington.

"No, I didn't think that, I thought it was the perfect dish for them," Ms Patterson responds.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she never bought these dried mushrooms she described to people from an Asian grocer.

Ms Patterson disagrees.

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[Cliff Hardy]

Erin says she put mushrooms from Asian grocer in food dehydrator​

The prosecutor then takes the accused to evidence previously given by health official Sally Ann Atkinson, who was leading the public health investigation into the death cap poisoning, amid fears toxic mushrooms were in the Victorian supply chain.


Ms Atkinson previously told the court that the listing of possible suburbs where dried mushrooms were purchased from an Asian grocer given by Ms Patterson changed during conversations, initially including Mount Waverley, before swapping to Glen Waverley.

Ms Patterson tells the court she believes Ms Atkinson was mistaken about that.

Dr Rogers notes that Ms Atkinson previously told the court that Ms Patterson had told her the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer "smelled funny" when she bought them in April so she'd put them into a container, before using them months later in the beef Wellington.


She says she did it just the once, sometime after buying them.

She is a fruitloop ! Friggin hell

She should be forced to watch a recording of her testimony as part of her punishment.

 

[drsleuth]

I've got to leave soon, if someone wants to post the updates that would be great, thanks.

 

[drsleuth]

Key Event
2m ago

Prosecution says packaging lies used to make Asian grocer story more believable​

By Joseph Dunstan​

The questioning now turns to the kind of packaging that Ms Patterson described to Ms Atkinson.

The court previously saw how Ms Atkinson had mocked up sandwich bags and labels and sent them to Ms Patterson in a bid to narrow down the type of packaging she was describing.

"You gave this detailed description of the packaging, even though you could not give any detail about the store you'd bought the mushrooms from," Dr Rogers says.

"You described the packaging in this way because you wanted it to sound like they were not commercially [provided] mushrooms."

Ms Patterson says that's incorrect.

Dr Rogers suggests Ms Patterson lied about moving the mushrooms into a Tupperware container, to mask the fact that there was never packaging for the mushrooms because the ones she described as bought from an Asian grocer did not exist.

Ms Patterson says that's incorrect.

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[drsleuth]

11:21

Patterson accused of lying about where she bought mushrooms​

Patterson has been accused of concocting the Asian grocer story after learning about the health of her lunch guests.
Simon's brother Matthew also told Patterson he was in hospital with his dad Don Patterson.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson knew Don's life was at stake at the time.
'Yeah, I knew that his health, the treatment of him was important,' she said.
Patterson said she later spoke to Dr Veronica Foote and Dr Rogers suggested the accused killer had 'time to think about her story and added detail about the Asian grocer'.
Dr Rogers also accused Patterson of never having any original packaging of Asian grocer mushrooms and never bought Asian grocer mushrooms for the Wellingtons.
Dr Rogers then suggested Patterson had no intention of finding the Asian grocer where she claimed to have bought the mushrooms because she was lying about buying dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer.
Patterson disagreed.


11:25

Prosecution grills Patterson over Asian grocery shop​

Dr Rogers said Patterson was told about the public health issue by health department officer Sally Ann Atkinson.
However, Patterson claimed she can't remember the conversation.
Dr Rogers accuses Patterson of remembering that conversation and lying to her about the Asian food shop.
Patterson denied this.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson never bought any mushrooms from an Asian grocer and she knew there would be no bank record of any transaction.
Patterson was accused of making up the story about 'likely' using cash to purchase the mushrooms because she never bought any from an Asian grocer in the months leading up to the lunch.

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[L_B]

Must have been poisoned from somewhere else according to Erin's thinking. But where else had the poisoned 4 been in common and eaten for that to have occurred?

Even if the 4 had eaten mushrooms anywhere else recently, wouldn't survivor Ian have recalled that?

Oh please Erin, lie after lie. Deflection after deflection. Don't recall after don't recall.

Wasn't the defense conceding though that there were deathcaps in the BW and it was just a tragic accident? but her testimony seems to be denying them in there.... make it make sense. I guess this helps add that confusion to the jury's minds with all this confusing information and stories.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Key Event
2m ago

Prosecution says packaging lies used to make Asian grocer story more believable​

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By Joseph Dunstan​

The questioning now turns to the kind of packaging that Ms Patterson described to Ms Atkinson.

The court previously saw how Ms Atkinson had mocked up sandwich bags and labels and sent them to Ms Patterson in a bid to narrow down the type of packaging she was describing.


Ms Patterson says that's incorrect.

Dr Rogers suggests Ms Patterson lied about moving the mushrooms into a Tupperware container, to mask the fact that there was never packaging for the mushrooms because the ones she described as bought from an Asian grocer did not exist.

Ms Patterson says that's incorrect.

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Prosecution says packaging lies...​

When l read the heading l thought it was headed somewhere else entirely.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

She should be forced to watch a recording of her testimony as part of her punishment.

Agree..! play it over and over...

 

[Detechtive]

Can't believe she said she ate 1kg of mushrooms.

 

[L_B]

Ms Patterson tells the court she believes Ms Atkinson was mistaken about that.

However, Patterson claimed she can't remember the conversation.

How can you say Ms Atkinson was mistaken when you apparently can't even remember.

 

[drsleuth]

2m ago02.30 BST

Erin Patterson says she thought beef wellington a 'perfect dish' for the mushrooms she bought from Asian grocer​

Rogers shows the court text messages between Patterson and Department of Health official Sally Ann Atkinson in the days after the lunch.

Rogers says Atkinson’s evidence was that in a phone call on 1 August 2023 Patterson told her the beef wellington contained dried mushrooms bought from an Asian grocer around April that year. Atkinson said Patterson told her they smelled “funny” and she feared they would be too overpowering in a dish.

Patterson says Atkinson is wrong about the word “funny”. She says she told authorities she bought the dried mushroom around April 2023 but never gave an exact date as she cannot recall the purchase.

Under questioning by Rogers, Patterson says at one point she placed the dried mushrooms in her dehydrator.

She says she did this once after purchasing them.

Rogers says if Patterson believed the mushrooms were overpowering she would have worried about this for the beef wellington dish.

“No,” Patterson says.

I thought it was the perfect dish for them.

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[MrJ]

Key Event
2m ago
Erin 'changed' story told to public health official, prosecution suggests

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then suggests during her conversationswith the public health official, Ms Patterson "changed" her story again, this time around the weight of the dried mushrooms she was telling them she'd bought from an Asian grocer.

"What did I change?" Ms Patterson asks.

"You changed the details of what you had previously told Sally Ann Atkinson [about the weight] and added more detail. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I clarified ... I think I made it clear at all times that I really wasn't sure, but I was trying to be helpful," Ms Patterson says.

 

[Detechtive]

dbm!

 

[MrJ]

I'm back!

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Just now
Asian grocery purchase 'a deliberate lie', prosecution says

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers moves through more parts of Ms Atkinson's evidence about changing details from Ms Patterson about her purchase from an Asian grocer.

The court is shown a map of the suburbs in Monash City Council, which includes all of the suburbs where Ms Patterson says she bought the dried mushrooms.

Dr Rogers then recaps that Ms Patterson had worked for the Monash council and would be familiar with the suburbs and locations involved. But she says she couldn't identify the store where she'd bought the mushrooms.

"The Asian grocer story was a deliberate lie," Dr Rogers suggests.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson says.

 

[MrJ]

WHO EATS 1 KG OF MUSHROOMS

 

[Detechtive]

8m ago
11.30 AEST

Erin Patterson says she thought beef wellington a 'perfect dish' for the mushrooms she bought from Asian grocer​

Rogers shows the court text messages between Patterson and Department of Health official Sally Ann Atkinson in the days after the lunch.

Rogers says Atkinson’s evidence was that in a phone call on 1 August 2023 Patterson told her the beef wellington contained dried mushrooms bought from an Asian grocer around April that year. Atkinson said Patterson told her they smelled “funny” and she feared they would be too overpowering in a dish.

Patterson says Atkinson is wrong about the word “funny”. She says she told authorities she bought the dried mushroom around April 2023 but never gave an exact date as she cannot recall the purchase.

Under questioning by Rogers, Patterson says at one point she placed the dried mushrooms in her dehydrator.

She says she did this once after purchasing them.

Rogers says if Patterson believed the mushrooms were overpowering she would have worried about this for the beef wellington dish.

“No,” Patterson says.

"I thought it was the perfect dish for them."

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[MrJ]

1m ago
Accused looks to correct detail in questioning

By Joseph Dunstan

During one point in the evidence, Dr Rogers tells the court that Ms Patterson and the children would sometimes stay at an apartment in Mount Waverley.

"It's probably irrelevant, but it was a house, not an apartment," Ms Patterson says.

This kind of exchange is playing out a fair bit during the cross-examination.

Ms Patterson is frequently moving to correct and clarify details in the prosecutor's questioning when she identifies ambiguity or an inaccuracy.