Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

3m ago05.59 BST

Erin Patterson denies she was thinking of ways to ‘cover her tracks’ between hospital visits​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC says Patterson used the more than 90 minutes she was away from the Leongatha hospital to work out what to do next week after she realised medical authorities were aware of the death cap mushroom poisoning.

She says tending to her animals and packing her daughter’s ballet bag did not take up the full period she was away from the hospital.

Erin says: “What are you saying I was doing?”

Rogers replies: “Thinking about ways to cover your tracks.”

Patterson says: “I’m sure I did some thinking during that time but it wasn’t about covering my tracks.”

The sharp exchange is one of several during day 29, which appears to have taken a more tense tone than days past.

Rogers shows the court a bowel chart for Patterson, previously tendered, which shows five documented bowel motions on 31 July 2023 while at Leongatha hospital.

The consistency for each says “liquid.”

Mairim Cespon, a registered nurse at the hospital, previously told the trial that after the first bowel movement Patterson told her “it does look like a wee but it’s a bowel motion.”

Patterson says she “didn’t want to think I was an idiot” so explained it was a stool.

Doesn't she realize that they can test for that?

 

[drsleuth]

3.13pm

Doctor’s remarks a ‘pretty bizarre’ thing to ay, accused tells jury​

Erin Patterson is being asked about evidence given by Dr Chris Webster, during which he recalled telling her that her children could be “scared and alive or dead” after she expressed reluctance to take them to the hospital for assessment.

Patterson: He made it clear that he thought they might be at risk.

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC: In the face of tha, in your evidence, you were reluctant to tell the children.

Patterson: I was trying to make sense of what was going on and what Dr Webster was saying to me. I thought to be ‘scared and alive or dead’ was a pretty bizarre ]thing] to say.

Rogers: You were reluctant, I suggest, to have your children medically assessed. Correct or incorrect?

Patterson: Incorrect. I wanted to understand what the concerns were.

Rogers: You did not take immediate action to contact the school after Dr Webster spoke to you in the plaster room.

Patterson: Correct.”

As it happened: Prosecutor suggests accused mushroom cook wanted to appear unwell after beef Wellington lunch - Erin Patterson trial day 29

Accused killer Erin Patterson has spent another full day in witness box during her triple murder trial. She has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder.

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[drsleuth]

15:13

Prosecutor: 'Are you making this up as you go along Ms Patterson?'​

Dr Rogers asked if Patterson paused during a call between her and Simon about picking up the kids because if she picked up the children it 'would undermine you being unwell'.
Patterson denied this and claimed she paused because she thought Simon had made a sarcastic comment.
'"I'm glad you're well enough to drive to Phillip Island", he did it in a really sarcastic tone,' she said
'I remember the sarcasm, it was off-putting.'
'Are you making this up as you go along Ms Patterson?' Dr Rogers asked.
'No,' Patterson replied.


15:14

Patterson denies she was 'calm and chatty' in ambulance ride​

Patterson spoke about her 90-minute ambulance ride from Leongatha to the Monash Medical Centre.
She recalled she was given fentanyl for a headache.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was 'calm and chatty' during the ambulance ride.
'I was talking quite a lot to (a paramedic),' Patterson said.
'I wouldn't say I was calm, I remember feeling a lot of anxiety.'

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[drsleuth]

I'm offended on behalf of all these dedicated health professionals that Erin is accusing of lying or being "mistaken" ............what are the odds they are all incorrect & Erin is telling the truth??

Zip, nil, none IMO

She really is something else.............& not too smart either IMO

 

[lazymaiden07]

Erin Patterson rolled her eyes while seated in the witness box when prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, said she would read to the court evidence from Leongatha Hospital nurse Kylie Ashton.

Patterson then closed her eyes and huffed when pressed if she said she told Ashton she wasn’t prepared to be admitted to hospital soon after she arrived.

I'm sorry, Erin- are we keeping you from something? A biopsy, perhaps? A liposuction surgery? A trip to the tip? Does she not realise what is at stake here?? I do genuinely believe she loves her children- she does understand that if found guilty, she will see her children what, fortnightly? And have no real meaningful role to play in their lives?

The sheer arrogance is bizarre and at times, fascinating too.

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
We take a break

By Mikaela Ortolan

The prosecution is asking Erin more question's [sic] about her bowel movements before the jury is sent out for a quick break.

 

[Tweet57]

And study to be a midwife?

Mighty scary.

 

[MsMarple]

1m ago06.24 BST
Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC asks Erin Patterson about a conversation she had with her estranged husband Simon Pattersonwhile at Leongatha hospital about picking up their children from school.

She says Simon gave evidence Patterson paused after he asked her if she was well enough to pick up their kids.

Rogers says Patterson paused because she realised picking her children up would undermine her illness. Patterson says she does not know if she paused at the point.

“Are you making this up as you go along, Ms Patterson?” Rogers asks.

“No,” says Patterson.

Patterson is then questioned about the ambulance trip from Leongatha hospital to Monash hospital on 31 July 2023.

Rogers asks about evidence by a paramedic that she was calm and chatty during the trip.

Patterson says she was talking to the paramedic but was not calm.

The court hears Patterson didn’t need to use the toilet during the 90 minute trip.

Patterson is taken to the evidence by LauraMuldoon, a doctor who assessed her at Monash hospital.

Patterson rejects Muldoon that Patterson told her she had “explosive diarrhoea every 10 minutes”.

Pattersons says she wouldn’t have said she had diarrhoea of this frequency for two days.

 

[Corina]

Actually, Erin is giving Amy's baking company level delusion if you think about it

[bbm] I'm unsure what this refers to...

 

[MrJ]

[bbm] I'm unsure what this refers to...

Kitchen Nightmares restaurant, closed now I believe. Owners were delusional about their food and company in general IIRC

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
Erin explains difference between 'loose stools' and 'diarrhoea'

By Joseph Dunstan

Just before the break Dr Rogers asks Erin Patterson about the evidence given by Victorian health official Sally Ann Atkinson, who was leading a public health unit that was urgently investigating the death cap poisoning outbreak from the lunch.

Ms Atkinson last month told the court that Ms Patterson had told her she'd begun to feel "a bit unwell" shortly before the midnight after the lunch, when "explosive diarrhoea" began and continued throughout the night.

Dr Rogers notes this timeline of diarrhoea commencement differs from the evidence of Simon Patterson, who'd told the court Ms Patterson had informed him diarrhoea had started earlier on the Saturday.

Ms Patterson says she believes she told her husband about "loose stools", not diarrhoea, at that point.

This leads to Dr Rogers asking Ms Patterson what she sees as the difference between "loose stools" and "diarrhoea".

"In my book, diarrhoea is liquid ... loose stools are loose stools," Ms Patterson begins.

She references the Bristol Stool Chart, telling the crown prosecutor that the measurement tool illustrates a spectrum of firmness to describe stools.

"Loose stools are somewhere along the line to diarrhoea but not quite there yet," she says.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I suggest to you I am learning a lot about Australia with this case. Main thing is that the town of Leongatha is teeming with horrible liars, except for one persecuted, honest soul. It's remarkable how this brave woman has managed to keep to her integrity despite the bad influences all around her. Her kids and family and friends and doctors, all of them liars, and yet she has persevered in spite of it all.

Agree or disagree?

 

[MsMarple]

I absolutely believe the accused is making it up as she goes along in order to fit the evidence.

Liposuction? Really? That was the big reason to invite Simon’s relatives for lunch, to discuss an upcoming appointment for liposuction? GMAB

 

[Shortfusepsb]

"In my book, diarrhoea is liquid ... loose stools are loose stools," Ms Patterson begins.

She references the Bristol Stool Chart, telling the crown prosecutor that the measurement tool illustrates a spectrum of firmness to describe stools.

"Loose stools are somewhere along the line to diarrhoea but not quite there yet," she says.

Well, there you have it. EP is actually an expert on talking !!

 

[Lisa4]

From today before the lunch break:

"I suggest that you were shocked that the doctors were onto death cap ... so quickly," Dr Rogers says.
"I was anxious at the idea that we might have eaten those things," Erin says.

After lunch break:
"...because you knew that you had not consumed death cap mushrooms. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.
"I didn't think any of us had, but that wasn't why I was leaving, no," Ms Patterson replies.

Another interesting one

 

[Lisa4]

"In my book, diarrhoea is liquid ... loose stools are loose stools," Ms Patterson begins.

She references the Bristol Stool Chart, telling the crown prosecutor that the measurement tool illustrates a spectrum of firmness to describe stools.

"Loose stools are somewhere along the line to diarrhoea but not quite there yet," she says.

Well, there you have it. EP is actually an expert on talking !!

Haha, an expert on the BS Chart too.

 

[Detechtive]

I also don't believe her when she says she didn't know you could buy them pre-made. Maybe it is unfair as I don't know about Australian markets, but I know in the US and in the UK, it is quite common to see Beef Wellingtons for sale in shops, especially during the holidays.

She has already said she goes to markets to shop quite frequently---it's hard for me to believe she has never seen BWs pre-made for sale.

I think it is one of her quick off the cuff lies she uses as cover----just like ' internet showed her there are no death caps in Gippsland', and 'she did ask Dr Webster questions but he just walked away" etc

The other day when I was googling Beef Wellington recipes, the majority of the top spots on google were pre-made Beef Wellingtons. I’ve also seen them at my local butcher pre-made.

My teens would have ABSOLUTELY noticed if I ever did that. They'd never let me live it down. lol How does a teen boy not notice if the driver of the car, his mom, runs into the bush to poop.

Exactly

So she's admitting drinking some coffee. That tells me right there that she lied about having diarrhea. Coffee gives you diarrhea- it's acidic and a diuretic. There's no possible way that you already have diarrhea and then consume coffee.

I’ve learned a lot from you about coffee and its effects during this trial, @LinasK

 

[MsMarple]

"In my book, diarrhoea is liquid ... loose stools are loose stools," Ms Patterson begins.

She references the Bristol Stool Chart, telling the crown prosecutor that the measurement tool illustrates a spectrum of firmness to describe stools.

"Loose stools are somewhere along the line to diarrhoea but not quite there yet," she says.

Well, there you have it. EP is actually an expert on talking !!

I spit out my wine when I read that (it’s 10:30 pm here). I think we’ll be referencing this case far into the future.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
Just now
We're back from the break

By Joseph Dunstan

The hearing resumes and Dr Rogers moves to evidence given by Erin Patterson's sister-in-law Tanya Patterson, who got in touch to check on how she was going.

Erin agrees she likely told Tanya she was feeling nauseous and tired and that Tanya arrived to visit her at Monash Medical Centre about 9:30am on the Tuesday after the lunch.

Erin agrees she was well enough to pop her head out of the hospital room to tell Tanya which room she was in.

Dr Rogers puts to Erin that by this stage she knew that her parents-in-law Don and Gail Patterson were in comas.

"I did not know that and I don't think they were," Erin replies.

BBM... appalling

 

[Lisa4]

"Are you making this up as you go along?"

Aside from this being my favourite line from this case so far, was she saying out loud what the whole room was thinking?