Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[drsleuth]

3.59pm

Trial focuses on timeline of toilet stops​

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Erin Patterson is being cross-examined about her time at Monash Medical Centre on July 31, 2023, after she was driven there from Leongatha Hospital.

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, has taken the accused to the evidence of toxicologist Dr Laura Muldoon, who earlier in the trial described Patterson reporting that she had explosive diarrhoea “brown in colour” every 10 minutes or so.

Dr Laura Muldoon outside court on May 13.Credit: Joe Armao

“I certainly would have said I had it every 10 minutes for two days, but at its worse it may have been like that,” Patterson told the jury.

Sally Ann Atkinson outside court on May 26.Credit: Jason South

She said she could not remember using the word “explosive” to describe her bowel movements, but she might have.

Rogers also asked Patterson about evidence given by Department of Health manager Sally Ann Atkinson, who earlier told the court the accused woman reported starting to experience diarrhoea before midnight on the day of the lunch – July 29, 2023.

Earlier today, Rogers asked Patterson about evidence her estranged husband, Simon Patterson, gave to the trial. He said Patterson reported experiencing symptoms in the late afternoon of July 29, 2023.

Patterson: I’d had a couple of loose stools by then, but the diarrhoea didn’t start until later.

Rogers: Is there a difference in your mind between loose stools on one hand and diarrhoea on the other?

Patterson: In my book, diarrhoea is liquid and loose stools are loose stools. They are ... I mean, I don’t know if you have had any experience with the Bristol stool chart ... loose stools are somewhere near the line of diarrhoea but not quite there yet.”

Patterson said she remembered Simon and their children being in her room at Monash Medical Centre, but that Simon was there for 10 minutes. He spent “the majority of the time on his phone” in the hospital corridor, she said.

As it happened: Prosecutor suggests accused mushroom cook wanted to appear unwell after beef Wellington lunch - Erin Patterson trial day 29

Accused killer Erin Patterson has spent another full day in witness box during her triple murder trial. She has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder.

www.theage.com.au

 

[LinasK]

I’m not a coffee drinker and didn’t know it was a diuretic and or acts as a laxative. I really should have known this, I’m not a spring chicken

A lot of Aussies drink coffee but I think because we are more British culturally than US folks, many of us drink tea, whereas I think in the US it’s much more coffee oriented!?

So thank you for the education

Some is more acidic than others. It was a Peet's brand coffee that I grabbed from their stand in the airport because the Starbucks was closed. I have a sensitive stomach, but I can tolerate Starbucks. Herbal Tea is a nighttime thing for me when the weather is cold. My husband will drink regular tea on a regular basis.

 

[drsleuth]

16:01

Patterson accused of trying to 'appear as seriously unwell' as lunch guests​

Dr Rogers suggested Patterson never had diarrhoea after the lunch.
Patterson claimed she had loose bowel movements on Saturday night but needed to drive her son's friend home about 7.30pm on Saturday, July 29.
Patterson claimed she didn't get diarrhoea until much later in the evening after dropping her son's friend off and after she and her son stopped at Subway.
Patterson also told child services worker Katrina Cripps (pictured) she didn't get out of the car because the position of sitting down would act as a 'cork' and avoid a loose bowel accident.
Dr Rogers suggested the 'cork' story was untrue and Patterson wasn't fearful of having an accident while driving the friend home.
Dr Rogers then suggested Patterson never had diarrhoea on the Saturday at all.
Patterson denied this claim.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson wouldn't be driving around if she had the diarrhoea on Saturday evening.
Patterson claimed she felt more unwell on the Sunday.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson told so many people she was sick because she wanted to 'appear as seriously unwell as your lunch guests'.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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[MrJ]

HAHAHAHA

Key Event
Just now
Erin says she 'has no idea' if she consumed death cap mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson to medical test results showing her potassium levels were low on the night of Monday July 31, then progressively improved into Tuesday morning.

Liver function tests conducted on Ms Patterson showed no sign of liver injury according to previous medical evidence.

"I suggest that you were not seriously unwell, because you did not consume even a minute amount of death cap mushrooms at the lunch. What do you say?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea if I did or I didn't," Ms Patterson replies.

"You were not suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning ... I suggest you deliberately tried to make it seem like you were ... you did that because you knew you had not eaten death cap mushrooms," Dr Rogers says.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson says.

"And you knew how suspicious it would look if you did not seem sick like your guests," Dr Rogers continues to press.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson responds.

 

[Detechtive]

I can’t tell if I’m biased here, but her testimony seems to be going appallingly for her. She comes across as arrogant, oppositional, argumentative and contemptuous. Is it just me?

 

[Detechtive]

HAHAHAHA

Key Event
Just now
Erin says she 'has no idea' if she consumed death cap mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson to medical test results showing her potassium levels were low on the night of Monday July 31, then progressively improved into Tuesday morning.

Liver function tests conducted on Ms Patterson showed no sign of liver injury according to previous medical evidence.

"I suggest that you were not seriously unwell, because you did not consume even a minute amount of death cap mushrooms at the lunch. What do you say?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea if I did or I didn't," Ms Patterson replies.

"You were not suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning ... I suggest you deliberately tried to make it seem like you were ... you did that because you knew you had not eaten death cap mushrooms," Dr Rogers says.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson says.

"And you knew how suspicious it would look if you did not seem sick like your guests," Dr Rogers continues to press.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson responds.

I’m waiting for Erin to lunge at Dr Roger’s at this point, which would be entertaining.

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
We're now taken to leftovers found at Erin's home

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecution then pivots to evidence surrounding the discovery of leftovers from the lunch in a bin at Erin Patterson's Leongatha home.

A police witness previously told the court how he found the leftovers in an outside bin with assistance from Ms Patterson.

Dr Rogers says the leftovers he found contained a "single beef Wellington cut in half".

Ms Patterson disagrees, saying it contained the "mushroom and pastry from one full beef Wellington and the mushrooms and pastry from the bit that I didn't eat".

Ms Patterson says she had eaten "somewhere between a quarter, a third, a half" of her beef Wellington.

 

[drsleuth]

I can’t tell if I’m biased here, but her testimony seems to be going appallingly for her. She comes across as arrogant, oppositional, argumentative and contemptuous. Is it just me?

No not just you.

I agree, this is so bad, so bad that I think it will be discussed in law school for decades to come on why not to take the stand in your murder trial.

 

[CuriousDetective]

I can’t tell if I’m biased here, but her testimony seems to be going appallingly for her. She comes across as arrogant, oppositional, argumentative and contemptuous. Is it just me?

I feel like it’s so hard to tell how she come’s across without being able to hear her and view her body language in action. IMO

 

[MrJ]

She's such a terrible liar oh my GOD

Key Event
Just now
Questions over sixth beef Wellington Erin prepared

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests that the sixth beef Wellington Ms Patterson had prepared was for Simon and was thrown in the bin.

Ms Patterson disagrees, saying she didn't prepare the sixth beef Wellington for Simon.

"I did not make that one for him ... it was just an extra one," she says.

 

[drsleuth]

16:10

Prosecution: 'You did not eat death cap mushrooms'​

Dr Rogers brought up blood test results Patterson had at Leongatha Hospital and the Monash Medical Centre.
The tests all appeared normal and her results improved after later tests.
Dr Rogers said Patterson's liver function tests were fine and showed no sign of injury.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson was 'not seriously unwell because she did not consume even a minute amount of death caps'.
'I have no idea,' Patterson responded.
'And you knew how suspicious it would look if you did not seem sick,' Dr Rogers said.
'Incorrect,' Patterson responded.
'You knew you had not consumed death cap mushrooms…,' Dr Rogers said.
'You deliberately tried to make it sound like you were [suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning]…'

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LinasK]

I can’t tell if I’m biased here, but her testimony seems to be going appallingly for her. She comes across as arrogant, oppositional, argumentative and contemptuous. Is it just me?

It's not just you. Someone doesn't like their lies being called out.

 

[LinasK]

She's such a terrible liar oh my GOD

Key Event
Just now
Questions over sixth beef Wellington Erin prepared

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests that the sixth beef Wellington Ms Patterson had prepared was for Simon and was thrown in the bin.

Ms Patterson disagrees, saying she didn't prepare the sixth beef Wellington for Simon.

"I did not make that one for him ... it was just an extra one," she says.

And yet, she earlier testified that she WOULD have served him one.

 

[LinasK]

16:10

Prosecution: 'You did not eat death cap mushrooms'​

Dr Rogers brought up blood test results Patterson had at Leongatha Hospital and the Monash Medical Centre.
The tests all appeared normal and her results improved after later tests.
Dr Rogers said Patterson's liver function tests were fine and showed no sign of injury.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson was 'not seriously unwell because she did not consume even a minute amount of death caps'.
'I have no idea,' Patterson responded.
'And you knew how suspicious it would look if you did not seem sick,' Dr Rogers said.
'Incorrect,' Patterson responded.
'You knew you had not consumed death cap mushrooms…,' Dr Rogers said.
'You deliberately tried to make it sound like you were [suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning]…'

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That was the real reason for pigging out on cake, not because of bulemia.

 

[MrJ]

Poor kids thrown under the bus for her lies.

1m ago
Erin maintains she fed leftover beef to children

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests the steak was removed from the leftover beef Wellington before the mushroom and pastry from that item were put into the bin.

Erin says the meat was removed and ultimately put "into my children's stomachs". Ms Patterson has previously told the court she fed her children the meat as leftovers for dinner on Sunday.

"I suggest that you certainly did not feed that steak to your children, but we've been over that anyway, you no doubt disagree with me," Dr Rogers says.

"Correct," Ms Patterson says.

 

[Detechtive]

I feel like it’s so hard to tell how she come’s across without being able to hear her and view her body language in action. IMO

I have a feeling that seeing her body language in person would make it worse for those directly observing her.

 

[katydid23]

bbm

Key Event
Just now
Erin says she wasn't told her life was at risk by hospital staff

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers has jumped back to the start of the Monday, when Erin Patterson first left Leongatha Hospital about 8:10am after staying for just 10 minutes or so.

"Medical staff even went outside with you to stress that you shouldn't leave," Dr Rogers says and Erin agrees that's what happened.

But Ms Patterson says she remembers the "emphasis" was more on her signing the discharge form before leaving.

The examination then turns to what staff told Ms Patterson about her life being in danger and the need to treat her immediately.

"I do remember it being communicated to me that the medication was, like, it was time-critical ... it needed to be done, you know, within a timely manner I suppose," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that you knew that your life was not threatened at this point. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I wouldn't say I knew. I didn't think it was," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that your behaviour at leaving Leongatha Hospital a few minutes after you'd presented there was because you knew that you had not consumed death cap mushrooms. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I didn't think any of us had, but that wasn't why I was leaving, no," Ms Patterson replies.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she was rattled that doctors had "uncovered" the presence of death cap mushrooms in the meal so quickly.

"I suggest that your behaviour at leaving Leongatha Hospital a few minutes after you'd presented there was because you knew that you had not consumed death cap mushrooms. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I didn't think any of us had, but that wasn't why I was leaving, no," Ms Patterson replies.



Why didn't she think anyone had eaten death caps at that point? What did she think was going on with her lunch guests?

 

[lazymaiden07]

I can’t tell if I’m biased here, but her testimony seems to be going appallingly for her. She comes across as arrogant, oppositional, argumentative and contemptuous. Is it just me?

100% agree. I'm at a total loss to understand why she would respond to the questions in this manner. I read a report last week which described her as 'assertive'; she is way beyond that today. Defiant, rude, disrespectful, appears almost bored at times?

 

[Detechtive]

Poor kids thrown under the bus for her lies.

1m ago
Erin maintains she fed leftover beef to children

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests the steak was removed from the leftover beef Wellington before the mushroom and pastry from that item were put into the bin.

Erin says the meat was removed and ultimately put "into my children's stomachs". Ms Patterson has previously told the court she fed her children the meat as leftovers for dinner on Sunday.

"I suggest that you certainly did not feed that steak to your children, but we've been over that anyway, you no doubt disagree with me," Dr Rogers says.

"Correct," Ms Patterson says.

Oooh this is intriguing.

Is Dr Roger’s suggesting here that the meat was the tainted part of the meal? Did she marinate the meat in DC powder perhaps and not put the death caps in the duxelle?

 

[MsMarple]

1m ago07.16 BST
Erin Patterson denies she made a sixth beef wellington for her estranged husband

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC turns to the beef wellington remnants a police officer got from a bin at Patterson’s Leongatha home. Rogers said the leftovers contained a single beef wellington cut in half.

“Disagree,” Patterson says.

“It was the mushrooms and pastry from one full one and the mushroom and pastry from the bit that I didn’t eat.”

Rogers says Patterson knew the leftovers contained death cap mushrooms.

“That is incorrect,” Patterson says.

Rogers says the bin contained the poisoned beef wellington that Patterson prepared for her estranged husband, Simon Patterson, in case he attended the lunch.

“I didn’t make the sixth one for Simon,” she says.

Rogers says Patterson removed the steak from inside the pastry in the leftover beef wellington before she placed it in the bin.

“I did do that,” she says.

Rogers says the steak was put somewhere else. Patterson agrees.

Rogers asks where the steak was put.

“Into my children’s stomachs,” Patterson