Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Cliff Hardy]

Was this is Australia?

Fascinating.

It was Australia. Many years ago I might add.

13 charges. 13 days. Not guilty.

 

[Lisa4]

remember it was bland, this would have taken the flavour up a notch!

Well we did hear that one of the ladies who died told her daughter (before symptoms began) that it was "delicious"...

 

[katydid23]

Poor kids. As soon as they're not useful to their mum they get thrown aside. IMO

Key Event
1m ago
Erin rejects prosecution's suggestion she did not forage for non-toxic mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then asks Ms Patterson about a phone she'd used to communicate with her Facebook friends, which was seized and examined by police.

The prosecutor says there were no messages in the logs taken from the phone about picking and eating wild mushrooms.

"That would be right," Ms Patterson says.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court her children "definitely saw what I was doing" when she had picked mushrooms on previous occasions.

Ms Patterson objects to Dr Rogers describing it as "going mushroom picking", telling the court it's not like she ever woke up and said "I'm going to go mushroom picking", rather that she would pick them up while on walks.

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson to evidence from her son, who told police he had never been aware of his mother picking mushrooms.

"I suggest that [your son] never knew you to go foraging because foraging for non-toxic mushrooms was not something you did," Dr Rogers says.

"Disagree," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that your children never knew you to pick wild mushrooms ... that's because you did not go foraging for non-toxic mushrooms ... this is a story you have made up for this jury," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees with the three propositions.

Didn't Simon say the same thing, that he never knew her to forage either?

 

[Eloise]

Yes. Shows she can pinpoint a day from nearly 2 years ago but can’t remember the Asian Grocery Store. I might have pointed that out to her there and then.

she has perfect recall, when it makes her look good
she has no memory or only vague ideas, when that makes her look good
And somehow, only she is ever right and everyone else is always wrong

 

[BreakingNews]

She claims to have eaten 1kg of button mushrooms over four days, knowing that she would also be eating more mushrooms in the BW on the fifth day.

The equivalent of two packages of this.

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I would easily eat 1kg of button mushrooms in 4 days. However I love the flat portabella better. I sometimes forage for field mushrooms, but I know what NOT to eat.

 

[katydid23]

is this something a defendant is meant to have been provided, or just leave it up to your lawyers?

She would be provided ALL of it. And I don't believe for a second that she hasn't gone through all of it by now. I think her high intelligence and quest for knowledge and self preservation would be a constant motivation. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Me too. You're not answering questions at the Korumburra pub, you're in a court of law! She doesn't have to like Dr Rogers, but show some respect.

I like that she is admitting that she knows how to do KeyWord Search techniques when she wants to find info. She cannot keep acting dumb and unaware of everything.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

If you are someone who binge eats and likes mushrooms, 1kg of mushrooms isn't a huge amount.

I stopped picking mushrooms around the time of the Canberra deaths.

Looking at pictures of how similar death caps looked, in my opinion to ok mushrooms, really frightened me off ever doing it again.

I began to doubt my ability to never make a mistake.

 

[katydid23]

I think she is fielding the questioning very well. To me it's very obvious she has stuck to a plan that she and her team have worked out. The prosecution are trying every angle to get at her but she is returning serve most, if not every time.

Regarding disagreeing with certain questions...
As an example, Erin's son testified that he saw her drinking a cup of coffee. She had said, no it wasn't a coffee it was a herbal tea (or something along those lines).
Erin doesn’t think her son is a liar or lying in the testimony he gave. She has not been saying to Dr Rogers, "no, that's a lie". She has a different version to tell, that's all.

So if this was all an innocent tragic accident, why didn't she admit it from the start and help the lunch guests get the antidote sooner?

 

[BreakingNews]

EP seems to be obsessed with mushrooms. I'm no Masterchef but traditional carbonara does not include mushrooms. And if, as EP claims, she may, perhaps, have paid cash for some random dried mushrooms in cellophane bags with handwritten tags from some Asian market somewhere, her cash withdrawals over the prior few months before the purchase would be easily seen in her online bank account.

Not if she paid with cash out of her purse. Many people still have an amount of cash on hand and don't rely on cash direct out of their bank accounts. No bank account would show that up.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I think she's trying to muddy the waters concerning which mushrooms were the deadly ones.

She admits she might have accidentally added foraged mushrooms to the smelly dried ones in the Tupperware. But then again, maybe it was the Asian ones was from sketchy little market in odd packaging that were actually toxic. Who knows----so Reasonable Doubt?

I do wonder why there has been no discussion about the physical appearance of the “Asian” mushrooms and whether they looked like dried death caps. Or has she said they were “mixed”

At my Asian grocer - the mushrooms all look very different - color, size, shape. Some are blackish balls, others orange and thin, some very irregularly shaped, whole or sliced etc etc

 

[Bats]

So if this was all an innocent tragic accident, why didn't she admit it from the start and help the lunch guests get the antidote sooner?

Erin and her defence team will provide that explanation for you.

 

[Old Soul]

Patterson was reminded her son and daughter said they were told they had been served leftovers from the lunch.
'Because mum said it was leftovers,' the son told police.
Patterson agreed with her son that she had served him leftovers.
The daughter also told police 'mum told me' she was served leftovers.
'I only remember telling the kids on the Sunday that it was leftovers,' Patterson said.
'I don't remember telling them anything about it being lunch leftovers.'


Now this is just ridiculous. And serves no purpose.

What were they leftovers from Erin, the kids McDonald’s lunch? the son’s Subway dinner? The sandwich and wrap bought from the service station? Or the hot dog and dim sims from the Koo Wee Rup doughnut van?
I can’t begin to imagine how much gaslighting went on in Erin’s relationships with Simon and the children.
IMO

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Salah11]

How’s the trial going did the prosecution?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

In short:​

Prosecutors in Erin Patterson's triple-murder trial have directly accused the lunch host of formulating a series of lies in a bid to conceal a plot to murder her relatives with death cap mushrooms.

Ms Patterson has denied she lied about feeding her children leftover meat from the lunch or buying dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer that she believed were included in the meal.

What's next?​

Ms Patterson is expected to return to the witness box on Thursday, as her Supreme Court trial nears the end of its seventh week.

 

[katydid23]

Her son and daughter are liars, according to Erin. Again!

Key Event
1m ago
Erin questioned about her children's absence at the lunch

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecution then moves questioning to the reason why Ms Patterson's children were absent from the deadly beef Wellington lunch.

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson back through her past evidence, where she said she told her daughter about the lunch beforehand and offered for her to come, but her daughter was more excited about seeing a movie without adults present.

The prosecutor suggests that's actually not what she told her daughter.

She takes Ms Patterson to her daughter's account to police of the conversation where her mum told her the lunch was coming up.

"She said, I’m pretty sure she said that she wanted to have lunch with Don, Gail, Heather and Ian and she wanted to talk to them about adult stuff and we were going to go to the movies together," Ms Patterson's daughter told police.

"No, I didn't really put it like that to [my daughter] at all," Ms Patterson says.

Ms Patterson's son gave a similar account, where he recalled his mother telling him she wanted the lunch to be "just the five" adults. Ms Patterson also says that's not what she remembers.

"I suggest your story about [your daughter] wanting to see a movie is a lie ... and the truth is, I suggest, you wanted them out of the way because you did not want them anywhere near what you were going to serve your guests," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees with that.

So now her kids are 'misremembering' what happened too ?

Anyone and Everyone who has an interaction with EP somehow gets everything wrong when they try to describe what happened.

The luncheon guests, her ex-husband, her 2 children, several doctors and nurses, a child protection worker, a para-medic, a fungi-expert, the police and the investigators, the public health officials, anyone else?

I think only her brother and sister in law made it through without being called out for misspeaking or misunderstanding?

 

[JBowie]

Or the hot dog and dim sims from the Koo Wee Rup doughnut van?

I had to Google that one.

 

[dothetime]

The prosecution does appear to be a bit sloppy in its questioning but it's still pretty solid overall. And it's definitely getting the results they are after.

Prosecutor NR is probably getting worn down by EPs tactics, but I'm sure she will get a 'second wind' soon!

 

[JBowie]

The luncheon guests, her ex-husband, her 2 children, several doctors and nurses, a child protection worker, a para-medic, a fungi-expert, the police and the investigators, the public health officials, anyone else?

Has Uncle Tom Cobley been mentioned?

 

[Bats]

I think you just made the point @Bats

You're referring to a recipe you've made often.

What about a recipe you're trying for the first time, don't you taste it , decide it needs tweaking... Add something... taste again to see if that did the trick?

Yes, that's a fair point @Lisa4
If its an ingredient i was familiar with, then perhaps i wouldn't. I think some people may not necessarily try it in the haste of preparing a meal.

Parmesan, to you, is a known ingredient. I put it to you, that EP had never tasted the dried mushrooms that she added to the BW... or, we would not be here...

She may be fairly familiar with adding mushrooms to things?....that sounds bad doesn't it haha. ..but seriously, she might be.