Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #15 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

Key Event
1m ago
Defence highlights 'turning point' for Erin Patterson.

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy identifies a point in which Erin Patterson began to panic.

He says the conversation Erin recalled where she says her husband asked her if she'd used the dehydrator to poison his parents was a "fulcrum" or "turning point" in her mind.

Simon Patterson rejected ever saying this in his testimony.

But Mr Mandy says this triggered Ms Patterson to start considering what could have occurred.

"Once they have that conversation about the dehydrator, the wheels start turning," Mr Mandy says.

"She knows how ill people are, she knows that [death cap mushrooms] are the possible culprit.

"She starts panicking, and she starts lying at that point."

Mr Mandy says even if Ms Patterson had come clean at the moment, the lunch guests were too far gone and there was "nothing medical professionals could do".

OMG! Who starts lying when your guests are "too far gone"? This is not believable in my opinion.

 

[Woolly]

Defence criticises police search​

Mr Mandy is now picking through the police search at Patterson's Leongatha home on August 5, 2023.
The jury heard homicide squad detectives led the search.
Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall (pictured right) previously told the jury his role was supervising Patterson while the search was conducted.
Mr Mandy suggested police failed to seize all electronic devices during the August 5 search.
One item, Mr Mandy suggested, was a mobile phone on the windowsill of Patterson's home which he claimed was Phone A.
Mr Mandy also claimed police missed two laptop computers and a USB in the pantry.
He showed the jury a photo he said appeared to contain a phone, which was not seized by police.
Mr Mandy also said police made a mistake in not disconnecting Phone B from the network after seizing it.

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[Megnut]

Does he not realise how bad of a look it is for her to be freaked out because she was getting the blame? And not because four people she loved were potentially dying??

What's the difference between panicking because one feels blamed vs panicking because one is to blame?

Oh, about 25 to life.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Defence criticises police search​

Mr Mandy is now picking through the police search at Patterson's Leongatha home on August 5, 2023.
The jury heard homicide squad detectives led the search.
Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall (pictured right) previously told the jury his role was supervising Patterson while the search was conducted.
Mr Mandy suggested police failed to seize all electronic devices during the August 5 search.
One item, Mr Mandy suggested, was a mobile phone on the windowsill of Patterson's home which he claimed was Phone A.
Mr Mandy also claimed police missed two laptop computers and a USB in the pantry.
He showed the jury a photo he said appeared to contain a phone, which was not seized by police.
Mr Mandy also said police made a mistake in not disconnecting Phone B from the network after seizing it.

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If EP had nothing to hide, why didn't she turn over all of her electronics to LE? I guess she wasn't all that super helpy helpful after all.

 

[katydid23]

Then she backtracked and said she didnt have a tape measure, so how could she have possibly known how much of the BW she ate

you don't need a tape measure to look at your plate and visually estimate the difference between 1/2, or 1/4 of a whole amount. Come on....

 

[Deleted member 363451]

you don't need a tape measure to look at your plate and visually estimate the difference between 1/2, or 1/4 of a whole amount. Come on....

Incorrect.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks. But she never lied about knowingly putting DC mushrooms in the BW. I'm playing devils advocate.

We don't know if she is lying about that or not.

But we do know that she lies a lot. Like habitually, she lies.

So what are the odds she is telling the truth about that?

So many things in her 'accidental' version make no sense, imo.

 

[katydid23]

Re different plates. I don't worry about there being different plates. She didn't host much, so may have only had a good set of 4. So she gave the 4 good plates to the guests, and used the odd one for herself. Wouldn't most of us do that?

yes, but why is she now saying the others are lying about that?

Why so defensive about hers being different than the other 4?

 

[L_B]

you don't need a tape measure to look at your plate and visually estimate the difference between 1/2, or 1/4 of a whole amount. Come on....

Oh I'm sorry, I used the wrong emoji for eye roll (I'm being facetious)

 

[katydid23]

This just seems like bad faith

1m ago
Drive to Tyabb on Sunday addressed

By Judd Boaz

The defence questions the prosecution's arguments around Erin Patterson driving to a flying lesson in Tyabb on the Sunday after the lunch.

Mr Mandy argues that someone pretending to be ill would not have gone through the ordeal a long journey.

"Why would she go on this journey to Tyabb?" Mr Mandy says.

"If she was faking being unwell, she'd go to bed and leave this trail for [her children]."

Mr Mandy again casts doubt over the recollections of Erin's son.

During the trial, Erin told the jury she was forced to pull the car over during the drive to Tyabb due to a bout of diarrhoea.

In his police interview, Erin's son told investigators he had no recollection of his mother stopping to go to the toilet in the bushes.

Mr Mandy counters that her son also did not mention a documented stop at the Caldermeade BP.

"He didn't recall either of them," Mr Mandy says.

The defence suggests to the jury that if her son's memory was faultless, he would have told police about a stop at the petrol station.

"The defence suggests to the jury that if her son's memory was faultless, he would have told police about a stop at the petrol station."

Well, those are two very different things----his mum pulling into a petrol station vs. his mum pulling over to scurry into the bush to take a poop.

One of those things would be hard to forget.

 

[katydid23]

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1m ago
'Contradictory argument' in prosecution's case, defence says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy challenges the argument by the prosecution that Erin Patterson avoided medical treatment as she knew she was not ill.

In the trial, we heard that Erin did not want to be cannulated to be given fluids while in hospital.

The barrister calls this a "contradictory argument" that runs counter to what someone faking illness would do in that situation.

Mr Mandy theatrically raises his voice as he suggests the words of someone who was fabricating their illness.

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.


Unless you are a hypochondriac that is afraid of being sick or injured and would NOT want to have strong antidotal drugs/treatments pumped into your body needlessly.

 

[katydid23]

Key Event
1m ago
Defence highlights 'turning point' for Erin Patterson.

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy identifies a point in which Erin Patterson began to panic.

He says the conversation Erin recalled where she says her husband asked her if she'd used the dehydrator to poison his parents was a "fulcrum" or "turning point" in her mind.

Simon Patterson rejected ever saying this in his testimony.

But Mr Mandy says this triggered Ms Patterson to start considering what could have occurred.

"Once they have that conversation about the dehydrator, the wheels start turning," Mr Mandy says.

"She knows how ill people are, she knows that [death cap mushrooms] are the possible culprit.

"She starts panicking, and she starts lying at that point."

I call BS===she did not 'begin' lying at that point. She had already been lying repeatedly, starting before the lunch even happened.

Mr Mandy says even if Ms Patterson had come clean at the moment, the lunch guests were too far gone and there was "nothing medical professionals could do".

BULL----she could have come clean on Sunday morning and that would have jumpstarted the antidotes by 48 hours at least.

 

[MsMarple]

Erin Patterson was 'unscathed' by cross-examination, jury told — as it happened

Defence barrister Colin Mandy SC is continuing to deliver his closing address to the jury in Ms Patterson's triple-murder trial. Follow the trial as it happened

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Defence resumes its closing arguments​

By Judd Boaz​

Justice Beale is back, the jury is back, and our coverage is back.

Colin Mandy SC is also back and launches into his closing argument once more

 

[MsMarple]

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1m ago

Defence warns of limitations in mobile phone evidence​

By Judd Boaz​

Mr Mandy summarises the evidence of telecommunications expert Dr Sorell, warning the jury to be careful of missing information.

He says the prosecution skipped over the limitations, the complexities and the nuances in anaylsing mobile phone data.

"The crown attempted to rely on his limited evidence, of evidence of a possible opportunity on those days to go to those locations," Mr Mandy says.

He says that the jury cannot exclude that there are other possibilities about Ms Patterson's movements on the days in question in April and May 2023.

"It's not for us to prove that she went for some other reason," Mr Mandy says.

"The prosecutions has to prove she went there and she went there to pick death cap mushrooms."

 

[MrJ]

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[L_B]

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.


Unless you are a hypochondriac that is afraid of being sick or injured and would NOT want to have strong antidotal drugs/treatments pumped into your body needlessly.

especially if you have a fear of hospitals or whatever Erin had..

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Propositions from the defence about Erin Patterson as a witness
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By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy reminds the jury that Erin Patterson did not have to take the stand as a witness, but chose to expose herself.

He says she did this as an innocent person.

"It's difficult to imagine where you're putting yourself under an incredible amount of scrutiny. But she made that decision," he says.

Mr Mandy tells the jury that Ms Patterson merely told the truth in the witness box, and was not trying to convince them of her case.

"You would not have had the impression that she was trying to charm you, or persuade you," he says.

Mr Mandy says his client came through the cross-examination of the prosecution "unscathed" and that her testimony was consistent.

 

[MsMarple]

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[JBowie]

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"You would not have had the impression that she was trying to charm you, or persuade you," [Mandy] says.

To which I'd add: That's because she was trying to deceive you.

 

[JBowie]

Mr Mandy reminds the jury that Erin Patterson did not have to take the stand as a witness, but chose to expose herself.

... to expose herself indeed.