VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Kemug]

Erin is such a victim, isn't she?

Probably always was, always will be. Can't you just picture her in prison - my food is always colder than the others! My cell is always colder/hotter! Why don't I ever get any visitors?! How come I only murdered 3 people, and I got longer than she did! Just a joke of course, and as always MOO.

 

[Kemug]

I would hazard a guess that if I was given the phones of 95% of the people on here I would find instances of people talking in a very negative way about people that they actually like. You certainly would on mine.

RSBM
You may be correct, but not on mine. And if you could find an example on my phone, I don't like them.

 

[Kemug]

She was on several online crime groups. I found her and her witchie friends to be bullies. She had over 20 FB profiies that I knew of. EP harassed and ridiculed other group members, she was very brave behind her keyboard. If you didn't agree with her point of view, look out. From there it split off, and I believe she had a smaller group of friends on a private group chat. My experience only.

No wonder she had no time to cook and clean. Or exercise.

 

[Scuffy35]

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The expert said they would expect "some" adverse outcomes from the survivor of the meal.

I wonder if the expert witness mentions what these adverse outcomes would be.

I would really want to know it there would be definite sign of liver damage.

 

[Lisa4]

Simon took Heather and Ian to the hospital.
Gail and Don were transported by ambulance before that. I don't think we know who made the decision to call for the ambulance, as they are both deceased now.

I did find (only in media) that apparently Don made the phonecall to 000 on Sunday morning.

He was the one who ate 1.5 BWs.

The other couple were sleeping it off, having put it down to gastro. SP had quite a job to convince them to go to hospital.

Will see if I can find the report about Don being the one who called 000.

 

[Kemug]

Poor Ian as well. His whole sense of security must be shattered after all this. I hope he and the entire family really receive intense counselling and support. They definitely need it

His wife dead for no reason at all.

 

[Lisa4]

Will see if I can find the report about Don being the one who called 000.

It was part of Simon's testimony.

Day 3, May 1

Test results of beef wellington lunch revealed: Patterson trial

By TOM HAYES and STEFAN BRADLEY RESULTS of toxin tests were revealed and explained to the court during Erin [...]

latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

 

[Kemug]

OK, so for @Hercule Holmes idea to have worked, ideally Gail and Don should not have been transported to hospital, but they were.

But still I'm sure it's worth looking at and discussing a new idea, such as Hercule Holmes' one.

It may not be supported by evidence, but it actually makes a lot of sense that Erin would have planned for somebody else to be blamed.

 

[LinasK]

It was part of Simon's testimony.

Day 3, May 1
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Test results of beef wellington lunch revealed: Patterson trial

By TOM HAYES and STEFAN BRADLEY RESULTS of toxin tests were revealed and explained to the court during Erin [...]

latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

Well this is an interesting tidbit from this article- apparently Erin has a history of hypochondria too IMO... Simon told the jury that the accused was known for complaining about her health condition, giving examples of heart arrhythmia, sleeping issues, mental illness, postnatal depression, and a probable Multiple Sclerosis (MS) diagnosis. Simon told the court that the accused had never told him about an ovarian cancer diagnosis in the past.

 

[LinasK]

And this:
When Barkley was asked what the dehydrator was for, she replied to the court: “just for mushrooms”. She also stated that cooking was a common topic of the group chat.


Barkley said the topic of a beef wellington arose about two weeks before the fatal lunch.

Hay told the court that recipes were talked about in the chat, while the accused talked about getting the dehydrator, using it to make powder to put in her children’s food, so they didn’t know there were mushrooms in it, as they didn’t like mushrooms.


Hay told the jury that the topic of foraging for mushrooms never came up and that the accused first spoke about making a beef wellington toward the end of July.

The accused was also quite reluctant to let two of the guests to look in her pantry on July 29, 2023.

 

[Hercule Holmes]

It's definitely a different idea @Hercule Holmes and no reason to delete IMO


Personally I'd be unlikely to transport a cake in a container that would transport gravy, but that might be just me. There's always the outside chance that somebody beyond Gail or Heather's immediate family (so somebody beyond their husbands) knew that whichever one of them was bringing cake not gravy.

Agree the cake container may have been problematic i.e. cake tin not suitable for gravy; would have needed a sealable container. I wonder if Ian has any recollection along these lines?

The specifics may have varied, but the theory is based more around her personality. She has narcissistic tendencies and likes to think she's the smartest in the room. She also frequented crime forums/groups.

I think she wanted to commit the perfect crime, one that didn't cause her life to be turned upside down, regardless if it appeared to be an accident all along. The planning beforehand doesn't fit with having to endure an uncomfortable aftermath IMO. She'd rather it appeared to be someone else's mistake, not her own.

The perfect crime would have been removing all those that bothered her AND making it look like one of them was responsible IMO.

 

[LinasK]

How did I miss all of this?
Ian told the court the group had general conversations about the house before the lunch. He said Gail and Heather were particularly interested in the pantry.


Ian told the court that as the two asked to look inside, the accused didn’t follow them in straight away, saying she seemed “reluctant”.

Ian told the court he recalled the accused mashing potatoes and the food being plated up, while standing with Don further away from the kitchen.


Ian said that Heather and Gail offered to help plate up, but the accused rejected their offer, plating up all of the food by herself.

 

[LinasK]

After eating, Ian told the court that the accused announced she had cancer, believing it was life-threatening. He couldn’t recall what type cancer it was.


Ian told the court that the accused referred to tests that showed a tumour.


He told the court that the accused asked for advice on if she should tell the truth to her children. Ian said Don spoke, saying it would be best to tell her children.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I don’t think she necessarily wanted him to move on, though. She didn’t want him, but she still wanted those family connections. I don’t she would have/will be happy if/when he re partners

Ah, the old variation on the "If I can't have you no-one can" thought process. The "I don't really want you, but you still have to be there ready if, and when, I do. You're not allowed to move on." Very controlling and manipulating. Sounds familiar.

 

[LinasK]

THE defence completed their cross examination of Dr Veronica Foote to begin proceedings, as she told the court that the accused was almost certain to be admitted into hospital after being checked.


Dr Foote said that the accused’s symptoms of high heart rate and blood pressure aligned with someone who had been poisoned.


During Dr Foote’s re-examination, the prosecution asked if her symptoms aligned with any other medical issues, to which Dr Foote told the court the accused’s symptoms could also be caused by heart arrythmia, anxiety, or stress.

 

[LinasK]

THE son of the accused said she had only invited Don and Gail over once before, never before inviting Ian and Heather.
He said he was unaware of the accused’s dehydrator.

 

[LinasK]

Ms Muldoon told the court that on Tuesday, August 1, the accused was well, “feeling better”, and her blood and vitals were “normal”, showing no signs of poisoning.
MONASH Health Emergency Physician, Dr Varuna Ruggoo told the court that on Tuesday, August 1, the accused’s liver function tests were normal with no evidence of toxicity in the liver.


She added that the accused had normal responses to her respiratory rate, blood pressure, and temperature, while her conscious state was alert.


“She appeared clinically well,” Dr Ruggoo testified.

 

[jesse]

From following this case in depth since the deaths first happened, although I agree with your idea, at the same time, honestly I don't imagine she wanted SP back. That's the strange part.

She was clearly fed up in the relationship, long since had grievances, had left SP several times when they were together, they had completely split up and were living separately. Being a devoutly religious man, maybe he wasn't willing to grant a divorce (can happen in some religions 'we're married in the eyes of god for life')? Did she want a divorce and had been told 'no', 'not yet', or 'when the children are 18'?

Was she trying to kill him because she just wanted shot of him? Maybe she perceived him as a bothersome irritant in her life who increasingly didn't do what she wanted and she had begun to feel disrespected and mocked by (not invited to 70th birthday / putting 'separated' on the tax form etc).

JMO MOO

I don't think she wanted a divorce. I think she wanted to be able to say she was "married" without the annoyance of him being around.

 

[Old Soul]

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[Kemug]

So the son never knew that Erin had a dehydrator. I guess it was easy to hide in a huge pantry. You know, the humungous sized pantry that every brilliant cook needs. Especially one with so many plates.