VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 363451]

Ian being a pastor, he may already be a trained counsellor, have plenty of experience in it, and knows what will help. But I imagine he is finding it very different to be on the other side. He will probably never be the same again, but hopefully his faith, his family, his friends and his parishioners are surrounding him with love and support. I am sure they are.

It must be very difficult for him having to relive it every day in court and he is probably just hearing about some things for the very first time. I dearly hope that there will be justice for him and the rest of the family...

 

[SouthAussie]

Ian being a pastor, he may already be a trained counsellor, have plenty of experience in it, and knows what will help. But I imagine he is finding it very different to be on the other side. He will probably never be the same again, but hopefully his faith, his family, his friends and his parishioners are surrounding him with love and support. I am sure they are.

I was just thinking that Ian may be able to sue Erin for the loss of his wife's companionship and support, his own psychological pain, any medical bills he had to pay, as well as the physical suffering he endured due to Erin's "negligence" (deliberate or accidental).

But I don't know if, being a pastor, he would actually do that. And would he feel that a successful lawsuit might be taking money from Simon's children?

imo

 

[JBowie]

Serious question. What would become of someone like EP if she isn't convicted?

Would friends and family of the deceased have a right to take their own separate case?

Maybe. Here is the situation in NSW:

What is a wrongful death lawsuit?
Each jurisdiction across the nation has legislation which enables surviving family members of those who die as a result of the negligent, reckless or intentional acts of others to sue for damages.

These actions are commonly known as ‘wrongful death lawsuits’.

The legislation that applies in New South Wales is known as the Compensation to Relatives Act 1897.

What is a Wrongful Death Lawsuit?

There are laws which enable family members of those who die as a result of the negligent, reckless or intentional acts of others to sue for damages.

www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au

Could prosecution come back at a different time with fresh evidence if they ever find any?

Double jeopardy

Section 26 of the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities (the Charter) protects your right to not be tried or punished for the same crime more than once. The Charter applies to public authorities in Victoria, such as state and local government departments and agencies, and people delivering services on behalf of the government.

Section 26 - Right not to be tried or punished more than once

Section 26 of the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities (the Charter) protects your right to not be tried or punished for the same crime more than once.

www.humanrights.vic.gov.au

How would EP viably conduct a life in the aftermath of such devastation and suspicion?

Just wondering.
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IMO she would never live it down. I opined earlier that it will be still being read about in a hundred years' time. Her case is known internationally and speculation and rumour would be ongoing, is my guess.

 

[Kemug]

Sorry, a double post appeared.

Yep, those nasty little critters can be real pesky!

 

[Salah11]

Erin claimed she was bulimic and threw up her lunch but were dental records shown to prove if she was telling the truth?

Her teeth would show signs if she had decades of bulimia and a dentist would know.

 

[Kemug]

BTW, we haven't heard how her ovarian cancer treatment is going lately. Has she told the children yet? Is she having regular stays in hospital? Is Simon doing enough in the way of flowers and chocolate? I'd be really interested to know.

 

[Megnut]

Erin claimed she was bulimic and threw up her lunch but were dental records shown to prove if she was telling the truth?

Her teeth would show signs if she had decades of bulimia and a dentist would know.

Am I right that she only brought this up on the stand? And the State can't rebut?

Let me try to follow? She threw up the cake and with it the powdered DCs which kindly stayed in her stomach, never reaching her blood stream and therefore making her barely sick, as DCs are known to do.
And all this while implying she had Stage IV ovarian cancer which metastasized to a lump on her elbow, for which she made an appointment with a dermatologist, which she later canceled, when the Stage IV ovarian cancer on her elbow cleared up, but that was all a cover for her weight and was really only ever about having a gastric bypass surgery which, to her embarrassment, was another lie to cover for bulimia which she had dealt with her whole life, starting and ending with the One Time she claims to have thrown up after ingesting 3/4 of an orange case and DCs which she accidentally foraged, dehydrated and powdered?

How'd I do?

JMO

 

[Salah11]

Am I right that she only brought this up on the stand? And the State can't rebut?

Let me try to follow? She threw up the cake and with it the powdered DCs which kindly stayed in her stomach, never reaching her blood stream and therefore making her barely sick, as DCs are known to do.
And all this while implying she had Stage IV ovarian cancer which metastasized to a lump on her elbow, for which she made an appointment with a dermatologist, which she later canceled, when the Stage IV ovarian cancer on her elbow cleared up, but that was all a cover for her weight and was really only ever about having a gastric bypass surgery which, to her embarrassment, was another lie to cover for bulimia which she had dealt with her whole life, starting and ending with the One Time she claims to have thrown up after ingesting 3/4 of an orange case and DCs which she accidentally foraged, dehydrated and powdered?

How'd I do?

JMO

All I am getting from this post is that Erin lies a lot.

IMO

 

[ch_13]

Had she not worn any gloves she would have been seriously ill surely while touching/gathering and eventually using them.

I have food intolerance to dairy, egg, chocolate and nitrate preservatives. That for some reason started when I was 64, several years ago now.

If I eat any by accident within 10 mins or so I get a violent sickening headache. If I accidently touch any of those foods, without eating them, I get the violent headache within an hour.

So with that in mind I feel she could have had the same thing happen by simply touching those DC mushrooms, with absorbing them through her skin.

Rsbm.

I don't believe this is true. From WebMD:
The death cap mushroom is not toxic to touch but extremely poisonous when eaten. Death cap mushrooms have large concentrations of toxins that can be fatal even in small doses.

Death Cap Mushroom Poisoning

Find out what you need to know about death cap mushroom poisoning, and discover how to identify it and what to do if you’ve been poisoned.

www.webmd.com

As I understand it, the toxin in death cap acts very differently than a food allergy. With the latter, your immune system identifies the food as a threat and goes into overdrive. So, the headaches/hives/anaphylaxis etc. is actually your immune system trying to protect you from a (harmless) food.

On the other hand, the toxin in death caps is just a poison. It doesn't really cause an immune response. Rather, when you ingest them, the body can't process the toxin and it causes your liver and other organs to simply shut down.

I think it's important to make this distinction, because people have said that maybe Erin wasn't allergic to the death caps. Or maybe because she was younger and heftier, her body was able to handle the death caps better. But, a poison is a poison. If you take enough of it, you will die without immediate medical intervention. It doesn't matter what your age is or how much you weigh.

 

[JBowie]

But, a poison is a poison. If you take enough of it, you will die. It doesn't matter what your age is or how much you weigh.

Generally speaking I think that is right, however Ian managed to survive it -- somehow, and albeit after a major struggle -- and I'd genuinely like to know how his particular circumstances allowed for that. I get the impression that his constitution was just that bit stronger than the others'.

Mr Wilkinson was the fourth guest to be transported to Austin Health with liver failure in the days after the lunch, the doctor said.

He was already intubated and suffering from acute liver failure when doctors began rounds of activated charcoal and vitamin C treatment.

[...]

Don had undergone a liver transplant but his condition continued to get "relentlessly worse" before his death, Dr Warrillow said.

Similar transplants were not undertaken for Gail and Heather as they were both too unwell, the doctor told the jury.

'Going to die': how mushroom lunch almost killed four

Doctors thought Ian Wilkinson was going to die in hospital after consuming a lunch served by mushroom cook...

www.thesenior.com.au

 

[Kemug]

Erin claimed she was bulimic and threw up her lunch but were dental records shown to prove if she was telling the truth?

Her teeth would show signs if she had decades of bulimia and a dentist would know.

Didn't someone mention a while back that in one photo of Erin we could see scars on her hands which indicated bulimia?

 

[ch_13]

Generally speaking I think that is right, however Ian managed to survive it -- somehow, and albeit after a major struggle -- and I'd genuinely like to know how his particularl circumstances allowed for that.

Don had undergone a liver transplant but his condition continued to get "relentlessly worse" before his death, Dr Warrillow said.

Similar transplants were not undertaken for Gail and Heather as they were both too unwell, the doctor told the jury.

'Going to die': how mushroom lunch almost killed four

Doctors thought Ian Wilkinson was going to die in hospital after consuming a lunch served by mushroom cook...

www.thesenior.com.au

Fair enough. I should have written, "If you take enough of it, you will die without immediate medical intervention." I've edited my post to make it more clear.

 

[JBowie]

Didn't someone mention a while back that in one photo of Erin we could see scars on her hands which indicated bulimia?

I missed that, and had to look it up:

What are the scars on my hands from bulimia?
These nondescript dorsal lesions are caused by repeated contact of the incisors to the skin of the hand that occur during self induced vomiting. This finding, known as Russell's sign, may be seen by orthopaedic surgeons during examinations for other reasons.

 

[Salah11]

Fair enough. I should have written, "If you take enough of it, you will die without immediate medical intervention." I've edited my post to make it more clear.

Erin certainly didn’t struggle and she managed to discharge herself and go on her merry way.

When you compare that to her guests she is a walking talking miracle if her story is to be believed.

MOO

 

[JBowie]

When you compare that to her guests she is a walking talking miracle

I'm imagining the book, up there with such classics as:

"I Fell 20,000 Feet Without a Parachute (and Lived)"

 

[Susjay]

That's extremely odd.

Maybe kids just don’t notice stuff we think they might?

 

[JBowie]

Maybe kids just don’t notice stuff we think they might?

There's something in that. Kids don't necessarily look for agendas.

 

[Detechtive]

I missed that, and had to look it up:

What are the scars on my hands from bulimia?
These nondescript dorsal lesions are caused by repeated contact of the incisors to the skin of the hand that occur during self induced vomiting. This finding, known as Russell's sign, may be seen by orthopaedic surgeons during examinations for other reasons.

She did have a mark on her finger in a media photo and it could possibly be from bulimia, but I don’t buy it. IMO

 

[Susjay]

She did have a mark on her finger in a media photo and it could possibly be from bulimia, but I don’t buy it. IMO

No I would not buy this because it would be a constant. More scarred and not random just for then. Some people also pick and bite their fingers when anxious but accused doesn’t fit this profile.

 

[Tweet57]

Has there been notes or observations of Erin’s bulimia whilst in custody and during her court appearances? If not, she must have remarkable self control when it suits her. Erin the storyteller would no doubt have an answer already lined up to suit her ‘cover my a$$’ agenda.