Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #3

[SMK777]

Except death by DC mushroom is extremely specific and I don’t think that would even be the theory if it were not clear as mud from the presentation of the patients and their subsequent rapid death. To be suggesting it’s some other form of food poisoning seems naive IMO. Surely if it wasn’t there would be some suggestion that it might not be DC poisoning? I’ve not seen any comment from police or hospital suggesting the cause is not alarmingly clear.

IMO that they died from DC poisoning seems the single safe conclusion to jump to. Trying to theorise otherwise seems to just be derailing the conversation.

MOO

Because of the vast amount of media and television coverage this story has generated in Australia and globally, I believe law enforcement or hospital officials would have made a public statement to the effect of, We are currently investigating many possible causes, and do not specifically suspect death cap mushroom toxicity at this time—-If that in fact were the case.

 

[SMK777]

Seriously, the idea that SP was deliberately poisoned in 2022 is in the cateogory of rumour as far as I'm concerned. It's been put out there by someone, Imo, via Msm, but apparently not by SP himself (at least not directly - the unverified source being reported as "Simon's friend" ), he has made no official statement. Moo. There are hospital records and if necessary and relevant the police will investigate. Moo

Very rare for someone his age with no known health issues [because that would have factored in to a diagnosis] to be 21 days in ICU with such a poor prognosis and unknown diagnosis.

Such cases are often poison-induced, as reading several true crime books revealed to me.

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[Salah11]

Very rare for someone his age with no known health issues [because that would have factored in to a diagnosis] to be 21 days in ICU with such a poor prognosis and unknown diagnosis.

Such cases are often poison-induced, as reading several true crime books revealed to me.

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It’s understandable to then realise why he accused her so quickly of poisoning his family as it must of brought back his fear he was Poisoned a year before.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

Again, if the hospital has SP's samples, they need to test them for poisons. I don't know how long the hospitals normally keep samples.

 

[SMK777]

It’s understandable to then realise why he accused her so quickly of poisoning his family as it must of brought back his fear he was Poisoned a year before.

IMO

Absolutely.

 

[jjenny]

It’s understandable to then realise why he accused her so quickly of poisoning his family as it must of brought back his fear he was Poisoned a year before.

IMO

Exactly. If he didn't suspect it before, he presumably now suspects that he was a victim of poisoning.

 

[silvercrown]

I wonder how they were able to tell so early on how the in-laws were likely poisoned but apparently not SP? I’m sure they’d have been making enquiries with those that knew him about what he might have eaten? Or been exposed to? Or maybe able to diagnose the likelihood of a specific type of poisoning based on symptoms? (As was the case with the in-laws).

All moo

 

[jjenny]

I wonder how they were able to tell so early on how the in-laws were likely poisoned but apparently not SP? I’m sure they’d have been making enquiries with those that knew him about what he might have eaten? Or been exposed to? Or maybe able to diagnose the likelihood of a specific type of poisoning based on symptoms? (As was the case with the in-laws).

All moo

I think because there were 4 victims after lunch involving mushrooms, it was pretty obvious that it was poisoning. Whereas with SP he was the one who got sick, and most likely it was not a death cap mushroom poisoning.

 

[al66pine]

How Did LE Learn of EP's Hydrator?

I don't know how much to trust her, but she claims LE asked about the dehydrator. I wonder if that was after the supposed hospital convo with SP and the children when the dehydrator was mentioned?

Yes, after the supposed hospital convo?
Some poss. informants =
SP?
EP & SP's kids?
EP's friend who has been quoted by media multiple times?
Hosp. employee?
Other patient also in room?
Person visiting other patient also in hosp room?
Hospital chaplain/visiting clergy member?

Or am I confused about place & circumstances of the reported convo?

 

[silvercrown]

I think because there were 4 victims after lunch involving mushrooms, it was pretty obvious that it was poisoning. Whereas with SP he was the one who got sick, and most likely it was not a death cap mushroom poisoning.

Yes agree. But even after all SP went through, reports that he was suspicious of being poisoned (in whatever manner it may have been) and blood results and other medical tests weren’t able to tell him what it was?
There are diagnostic tests for many poisons (ie lead, ethylene glycol, arsenic etc etc) so what I’m trying to get at is I’m kind of puzzled as to why (if he was poisoned) they weren’t able to tell him what it was. Given how serious his condition was especially.

 

[jjenny]

Yes agree. But even after all SP went through, reports that he was suspicious of being poisoned (in whatever manner it may have been) and blood results and other medical tests weren’t able to tell him what it was?
There are diagnostic tests for many poisons (ie lead, ethylene glycol, arsenic etc etc) so what I’m trying to get at is I’m kind of puzzled as to why (if he was poisoned) they weren’t able to tell him what it was. Given how serious his condition was especially.

Doctors presumably didn't suspect he was poisoned when he got sick. With poisons, tests need to be specifically run looking for poisons. It also helps to know the specific poison to test for.
If doctors didn't run the specific tests looking for poisons (which they normally would not unless they suspect poisoning) then the poison if it was used would remain unknown. SP might have only suspected poisoning recently.

 

[jjleroche]

I wonder how they were able to tell so early on how the in-laws were likely poisoned but apparently not SP? I’m sure they’d have been making enquiries with those that knew him about what he might have eaten? Or been exposed to? Or maybe able to diagnose the likelihood of a specific type of poisoning based on symptoms? (As was the case with the in-laws).

All moo

If I remember correctly, they had quite different symptoms (reportedly). MOO

 

[silvercrown]

Doctors presumably didn't suspect he was poisoned when he got sick. With poisons, tests need to be specifically run looking for poisons. It also helps to know the specific poison to test for.
If doctors didn't run the specific tests looking for poisons (which they normally would not unless they suspect poisoning) then the poison if it was used would remain unknown. SP might have only suspected poisoning recently.

Thanks for your reply. I thought they may have tested for potential poisoning given presumably he was otherwise fairly young and in otherwise good health and there was no other explanation for his symptoms. A blood/urine screen seems pretty basic. Not a doctor though so not going to push it further.

 

[CityKid]

How Did LE Learn of EP's Hydrator?

Yes, after the supposed hospital convo?
Some poss. informants =
SP?
EP & SP's kids?
EP's friend who has been quoted by media multiple times?
Hosp. employee?
Other patient also in room?
Person visiting other patient also in hosp room?
Hospital chaplain/visiting clergy member?

Or am I confused about place & circumstances of the reported convo?

I'm not sure. But possibly this goes back to the patient in the ambulance who told a paramedic something alarming enough that the paramedic contacted LE?

 

[jjenny]

Thanks for your reply. I thought they may have tested for potential poisoning given presumably he was otherwise fairly young and in otherwise good health and there was no other explanation for his symptoms. A blood/urine screen seems pretty basic. Not a doctor though so not going to push it further.

Poison tests are not basic. Hospital usually tests for natural causes, not poisons (unless they suspect poisons). Some poisons don't show up on the tests at all.

 

[jepop]

Very rare for someone his age with no known health issues [because that would have factored in to a diagnosis] to be 21 days in ICU with such a poor prognosis and unknown diagnosis.

Such cases are often poison-induced, as reading several true crime books revealed to me.

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He may have suspected, then or now. I don't see a named source for Simon telling his friends and family of his suspicions after he recovered. I'm more interested in what the hospital records say of his illness. Imo police will invetsigate his illness last year if they suspect a connection to this case or poisioning. In the meantime, his suspicions alone don't indicate any special likelihood to me. That will remain my position until the results of any investigation are in. Moo

 

[silvercrown]

Poison tests are not basic. Hospital usually tests for natural causes, not poisons (unless they suspect poisons). Some poisons don't show up on the tests at all.

I didn’t mean the process to analyse the sample was basic, just that the drawing of blood and collection of urine was.
SP himself is reported to have suspected positioning.

 

[jjenny]

I didn’t mean the process to analyse the sample was basic, just that the drawing of blood and collection of urine was.
SP himself is reported to have suspected positioning.

Yes, but the blood and urine need to be tested for specific poisons. And poisons are not normally tested for by hospitals. Some poisons are hard to detect even if poisoning is suspected.

 

[jepop]

Thanks for your reply. I thought they may have tested for potential poisoning given presumably he was otherwise fairly young and in otherwise good health and there was no other explanation for his symptoms. A blood/urine screen seems pretty basic. Not a doctor though so not going to push it further.

If the hospital suspected poisoning it will probably be mentioned in the treatment records. Be interesting if the police investigate. Perhaps they already have in the name of due diligence. Moo

 

[SMK777]

He may have suspected, then or now. I don't see a named source for Simon telling his friends and family of his suspicions after he recovered. I'm more interested in what the hospital records say of his illness. Imo police will invetsigate his illness last year if they suspect a connection to this case or poisioning. In the meantime, his suspicions alone don't indicate any special likelihood to me. That will remain my position until the results of any investigation are in. Moo

Yes, I’m sure LE will investigate a possible connection, and until they reach a conclusion it’s not unreasonable to suspend judgement.