Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #3

[jepop]

How Did LE Learn of EP's Hydrator?

Yes, after the supposed hospital convo?
Some poss. informants =
SP?
EP & SP's kids?
EP's friend who has been quoted by media multiple times?
Hosp. employee?
Other patient also in room?
Person visiting other patient also in hosp room?
Hospital chaplain/visiting clergy member?

Or am I confused about place & circumstances of the reported convo?

RBBM; Probably a typo Al66pine. It's reportedly SP's friend not EP's whose been quoted multiple times.

ETA: No don't think you're confused. Going off EP's statement IIRC it happened in the hospital after she had been discussing the food dehydrator with her children.


ETA x2. Occams razor says SP passed it on to police Imo, although I guess there's also a possibility that one of the kids did. Most likely SP just made a call. Jmo.

 

[jjenny]

I agree, in all likelihood SP called the police about the dehydrator, after he heard EP discussing it with the children in the hospital. Again, to me it's weird for EP to be discussing the dehydrator in the hospital to begin with.

 

[kittythehare]

Her fondness for Gail is in this article which was published around 4pm today.

Mushroom cook's ex-husband jokes about why he's still alive

The estranged husband of the woman accused of cooking a fatal lunch of beef Wellington with death cup mushrooms has made a joking comment about his wife and the reason he is still alive.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Source Credit: C Sutton
T. D. M.

Daily Mail Australia doesn't suggest Erin tried to poison Simon, nor it is suggested she intentionally poisoned her in-laws or was responsible for her husband's three relatives' deaths.

 

[jjenny]

Daily Mail Australia doesn't suggest Erin tried to poison Simon, nor it is suggested she intentionally poisoned her in-laws or was responsible for her husband's three relatives' deaths.

They don't want to be sued.

 

[jepop]

Daily Mail Australia doesn't suggest Erin tried to poison Simon, nor it is suggested she intentionally poisoned her in-laws or was responsible for her husband's three relatives' deaths.

I thinks it's a disclaimer. Seen it in all their updates. Legal department input. Don't want to be sued for slander if reporting style is interpreted as suggestive or insinuating. Moo

 

[al66pine]

RBBM; Probably a typo Al66pine. It's reportedly SP's friend not EP's whose been quoted multiple times.

ETA: No don't think you're confused. Going off EP's statement IIRC it happened in the hospital after she had been discussing the food dehydrator with her children.


ETA x2. Occams razor says SP passed it on to police Imo, although I guess there's also a possibility that one of the kids did. Most likely SP just made a call. Jmo.

@jeppop Thx for your correction.
Of course too late for me to edit my post, by the time I noticed.
Yes, likely SP who alerted LE.
imo.

 

[CityKid]

Daily Mail Australia doesn't suggest Erin tried to poison Simon, nor it is suggested she intentionally poisoned her in-laws or was responsible for her husband's three relatives' deaths.

Media outlets have lawyers at the ready for all speculation about alleged crimes and such. This is CYA.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Again, if the hospital has SP's samples, they need to test them for poisons. I don't know how long the hospitals normally keep samples.

Given the "undetermined diagnosis", I would think they would keep samples and diagnostic tests a lot longer than other cases.

Seems logical to me!

 

[jjenny]

Given the "undetermined diagnosis", I would think they would keep samples and diagnostic tests a lot longer than other cases.

Seems logical to me!

One can only hope.

 

[MsMarple]

Snipped for focus. Was there any reporting on the entire chain of LE asking EP about the dehydrator? We know she lied (from her own mouth) about when she disposed of it. Had she been asked about the dehydrator, or did someone else close to her mention that she had a dehydrator that she used for mushrooms (or another food item)?

Great question! All we know for certain is that LE retrieved the dehydrator on August 4. No word on how they came to know about it.

 

[SMK777]

Given the "undetermined diagnosis", I would think they would keep samples and diagnostic tests a lot longer than other cases.

Seems logical to me!

If even just for liability purposes, in case a lawsuit were ever to be brought against them.

 

[arrogantcat]

Doctors presumably didn't suspect he was poisoned when he got sick. With poisons, tests need to be specifically run looking for poisons. It also helps to know the specific poison to test for.
If doctors didn't run the specific tests looking for poisons (which they normally would not unless they suspect poisoning) then the poison if it was used would remain unknown. SP might have only suspected poisoning recently.

Do we actually have a source saying *doctors* think he was poisoned? I’ve only seen it being attributed to him, second-hand, after the poisoning of the parents, which seems a lot less conclusive.

We know so little. He may, for example, have recently traveled for missionary work to places with a lot of different gastric viruses, or been inclined to “pray the sickness away” until it became severe, or a million other things.

Most of the time when patients report “the doctors didn’t know” the doctors did in fact know, but either failed to communicate it well, or the patient failed to listen.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Do we actually have a source saying *doctors* think he was poisoned? I’ve only seen it being attributed to him, second-hand, after the poisoning of the parents, which seems a lot less conclusive.

We know so little. He may, for example, have recently traveled for missionary work to places with a lot of different gastric viruses, or been inclined to “pray the sickness away” until it became severe, or a million other things.

Most of the time when patients report “the doctors didn’t know” the doctors did in fact know, but either failed to communicate it well, or the patient failed to listen.

JMO

My post states doctors didn't suspect he was poisoned.

 

[Diogenetic]

The fact that the person who prepared the food was the only one not poisoned is interesting. That alone would make investigators suspect something if they had not had convincing evidence as to why the preparer herself is the only one who did not consume a lethal or extremely damaging amount.
As far as what investigators are saying or not saying publicly, I would not put much stock in that at this point.
Such a case may very well hinge on what investigators know, but a potential suspect or person of interest may not know that investigators know. Investigators also could have homed in on a person due to conflicts in their own statements, but be holding that close to the vest in order to collect more evidence.

 

[Ellery84]

Daily Mail Australia doesn't suggest Erin tried to poison Simon, nor it is suggested she intentionally poisoned her in-laws or was responsible for her husband's three relatives' deaths.

That’s correct.

 

[Ellery84]

I thinks it's a disclaimer. Seen it in all their updates. Legal department input. Don't want to be sued for slander if reporting style is interpreted as suggestive or insinuating. Moo

I wouldn’t even say the reporting style is “suggestive” or “insinuating” anything, the reporter has done some background research and laid out facts around that.

 

[Ellery84]

Hmm I'm pretty sure there's several reasons why nobody's popping round right now EP!

Look, if I was a mate and had the wherewithal to visit Erin, I’d eat at home before I arrived, and I would bring my own drink bottle. But I’m cautious like that.

All JMO.

 

[SMK777]

Look, if I was a mate and had the wherewithal to visit Erin, I’d eat at home before I arrived, and I would bring my own drink bottle. But I’m cautious like that.

All JMO.

I think most everyone would do similar at this point.

 

[AliceInPain]

maybe a bit o/t, but am I the only fan of DM's crime reporting here?
Their celebrity section is a whole different business, and some local (UK) stuff too, but in general, I think they are doing a good job with that bit.

 

[SMK777]

maybe a bit o/t, but am I the only fan of DM's crime reporting here?
Their celebrity section is a whole different business, and some local (UK) stuff too, but in general, I think they are doing a good job with that bit.

They are very thorough with true crime stories, yes.