Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*

I believe she planned it and had cleaned away the evidence as soon as they left the house that afternoon. She had young children so she wouldn’t have wanted them to accidentally go to the fridge and start eating left over’s + the dog.

If she had previously poisoned Simon 3 times this was not her first rodeo and she probably didn’t expect such a swift response from law enforcement.

MOO
 
Entering Pleas. Guilty or Not Guilty. Statistics?
I was just reading some Vic stats ... people charged with murder plead not guilty more than people charged with other crimes.


The data revealed very different plea rates for different offences. For example, the offence of murder had the lowest proportion of guilty pleas (48.0% of proven murder charges), while attempted armed robbery had one of the highest plea rates (96.8% of proven charges).

@SouthAussie Thanks for info in your post. Interesting.

Snipped from the vic.gov website:
"The data revealed very different plea rates for different offences. For example, the offence of murder had the lowest proportion of guilty pleas (48.0% of proven murder charges), while attempted armed robbery had one of the highest plea rates (96.8% of proven charges)."

A,higher % of ppl arrested for attempted armed robbery may plea guilty because they were recorded on still or vid cameras, more so than murders w that kind of evidence.

Just my initial thought.
And other factors may come into those decisions.
 
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I agree but arguably the money in Erin and Simon’s relationship wasn’t Erin’s. It was both of theirs.
If they had always been paying to Simon, I can see that they would not change payee unless instructed. Could see them thinking continue paying as normal to Simon. & Simon & Erin to sort it out splits.
 
I believe she planned it and had cleaned away the evidence as soon as they left the house that afternoon. She had young children so she wouldn’t have wanted them to accidentally go to the fridge and start eating left over’s + the dog.

If she had previously poisoned Simon 3 times this was not her first rodeo and she probably didn’t expect such a swift response from law enforcement.

MOO
Yup, thinking the leftovers, plates & cutlery & anything potentially contaminated all get dumped after the meal. Certain there would be lonely spots to dump these items.
 
12.45pm

Brother-in-law says Erin Patterson loaned him $400,000 to buy home​

The jury heard evidence from Matthew Patterson about his relationship with his brother Simon Patterson and sister-in-law Erin Patterson.

Matthew described how Erin had once arranged to look after his children so he and his wife Tanya could have a break, and how they had taken trips to Erin’s mother’s home in Eden.

Jurors also heard about a $400,000 loan that Erin had given to Matthew and his wife to buy their family home.

The jury heard the loan was indexed to inflation but was otherwise interest free.

Matthew said that after Erin and Simon separated in 2015, he continued to make repayments to Erin.

He said Erin and Simon continued to attend family events after separating and appeared to be respectful and amicable.

Matthew also spoke about a lunch in Melbourne that Erin had organised in 2021 to discuss her relationship with Simon.

The jury heard that during the meal, Erin had expressed sadness about her relationship with Simon not being able to move forward despite both wanting to reconcile.

The court heard Erin had told Matthew they would only be able to reconcile if Simon agreed to participate in counselling, and that she had asked him for advice on how to encourage Simon to take part in counselling.

I don’t see how this is relevant to the trial.
 

'We were happy to be invited', only survivor of toxic mushroom lunch tells court​

Ian Wilkinson wearing a black vest and spectacles, with a head of white hair. He is walking, surrounded by several others.

Image caption, Ian Wilkinson, a local pastor, survived after weeks of treatment in hospital

Mr Wilkinson told the court that Ms Patterson had plated "all of the food".

"Each person had an individual serve, it was very much like a pasty," he said. "It was a pastry case and when we cut into it, there was steak and mushrooms."

He added that Gail and Heather picked up four grey plates with the food and set them on the table, while Ms Patterson ate from an "orangey tan" coloured plate.

"Erin picked up the odd plate and carried it to the table. She took it to her place at the table," he said. He also said that his wife told him in hospital the next day that she had "noticed the difference in colours" of the plates.

[…]

Mr Wilkinson said that doctors had first treated them as food poisoning cases and "suspicion was falling on the meat", adding that he could not recall mention of mushrooms at the time.

But the next morning, they were "abruptly woken up by a group of nurses who literally ran us down the corridor in our beds to the urgent care area," he said. A doctor then told the couple that "he'd had communication ... saying it was suspected mushroom poisoning".

"He was very frank. He said it is a very serious situation. He said there was time critical treatment available.” The pair were then taken by ambulance to Dandenong hospital.

[…]

When asked about his relationship with Ms Patterson, Mr Wilkinson said: "I would say our relationship was friendly, amicable. It did not have much depth. We were more like acquaintances. We didn't see a great deal of each other."

"She just seemed like a normal person to me," he added. "When we met things were friendly. We never had arguments or disputes. She just seemed like an ordinary person."

"Heather would have seen Erin more than me, talked to her more than me but we did not consider that the relationship was close," he said.

The invitation was made to Heather Wilkinson at church, a week or two earlier, Mr Wilkinson recalled.

"We were very happy to be invited. It seemed like maybe our relationship was going to improve," he said. "We were very happy to accept."

[…]

Ms Patterson, wearing a light pink striped shirt sat emotionless as Mr Wilkinson began his evidence.

 

Erin Patterson discharged herself five minutes after doctor warned she may have death cap mushroom poisoning, court hears​


Patterson had come across Heather and Gail after a sermon at the Korumburra Baptist church, where Ian was a pastor, 13 days before the lunch.

Dubois said her mother had told her Patterson said to them after the sermon “just the two I was looking for” and invited them for lunch.

Her mother had said, after Dubois expressed surprise at the invitation, “Yes, we were surprised also, that had never happened before.”

The court also heard from medical witnesses about the treatment provided to the lunch guests, and a search of the Victorian cancer registry, which confirmed that Patterson had never been diagnosed with cancer.

The court has previously heard Patterson told her lunch guests that she had cancer but her lawyers told the court it was acknowledged she had never been diagnosed.

 
Seems there are few podcasts on this case



Mushroom case Daily by ABC Listen - Kristian Silva

The Trial Of Erin Patterson by Daily Mail


The Mushroom Cook - The Trial by The Herald Sun

The Mushroom Trial: Say Grace by The Age / Nine

Full Story by The Guardian ( Single episode ?)
 
Yup, thinking the leftovers, plates & cutlery & anything potentially contaminated all get dumped after the meal. Certain there would be lonely spots to dump these items.
Four grey plates.

Things are not always as they seem. Not sure Simon would be a good authority on Erin's crockery as she might have purchased, broken and replaced dishes over time.

Knowing how deadly Death Cap mushrooms are, would Erin want to risk any cross contamination?

I assume LE found the four grey plates.

What if Erin actually had eight?

And after her guests left, she only had four. Four that never sat on the table, never touched by toxin. Quickly discarded.

I just can't picture her having four, not a plate I'd ever want to eat from. 1000 washes later, still no thank you.

JMO
 
Four grey plates.


Things are not always as they seem. Not sure Simon would be a good authority on Erin's crockery as she might have purchased, broken and replaced dishes over time.


Knowing how deadly Death Cap mushrooms are , would Erin want to risk any cross contamination?
I assume LE found the four grey plates.

What if Erin actually had eight?

And after her guests left, she only had four. Four that never sat on the table, never touched by toxin. Quickly discarded.

I just can't picture her having four, not a plate I'd ever want to eat from. 1000 washes later, still no thank you.

JMO

The defence were suggesting to both Simon and to Ian Wilkinson that they were mistaken about the four grey plates. Perhaps she dumped all of them and claims that they never existed.
Perhaps she claims that all of the plates at the luncheon were the same.
 
Four grey plates.

Things are not always as they seem. Not sure Simon would be a good authority on Erin's crockery as she might have purchased, broken and replaced dishes over time.

Knowing how deadly Death Cap mushrooms are, would Erin want to risk any cross contamination?

I assume LE found the four grey plates.

What if Erin actually had eight?

And after her guests left, she only had four. Four that never sat on the table, never touched by toxin. Quickly discarded.

I just can't picture her having four, not a plate I'd ever want to eat from. 1000 washes later, still no thank you.

JMO
I thought I read that they did not in fact find the 4 grey plates? Did I make that up? Maybe I'm influenced by the defense attorney who kept trying to convince Ian that there were no grey plates at the lunch! "May I suggest to you..." I'm not sure now if they ever found any.
 
I think EP’s haste to leave the hospital was less a case of disliking hospitals and more a case of having important things to tend to at home. She says she needed to make preparations for her children and animals….which may be true….she may also have had some evidence to erase or conceal?
Also, to me it says she wasn't worried that she was majorly poisoned, or had built up some immunity to the toxins.
 
Four grey plates.

Things are not always as they seem. Not sure Simon would be a good authority on Erin's crockery as she might have purchased, broken and replaced dishes over time.

Knowing how deadly Death Cap mushrooms are, would Erin want to risk any cross contamination?

I assume LE found the four grey plates.

What if Erin actually had eight?

And after her guests left, she only had four. Four that never sat on the table, never touched by toxin. Quickly discarded.

I just can't picture her having four, not a plate I'd ever want to eat from. 1000 washes later, still no thank you.

JMO
I totally agree the plates would logically be disposed of. I imagine also the forks a and knives. I cant think shed want any possible exposure to herself or her kids to the contamination. I wonder if any cutlery is missing from her set.
 
snipped.

The kids would likely have better insight into the plate situation at home. It'll be interesting to hear what they have to say.

I have been wondering about the children's testimony. I know it is pre-recorded, but will they hear it in open court? Or will they close the court - so only the justice, jury, defence, prosecution, and accused can hear it - to further protect the children?
 

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