Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*

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Old Soul said:
“The leftovers collected from Erin Patterson’s bin and transported to Monash Medical Centre and the Royal Botanic Gardens were tested and did not show any sign of death cap mushrooms, the jury heard.”

www.smh.com.au

Alleged mushroom cook didn’t ingest death caps, ‘no record’ she had cancer, jury told: Trial day one, as it happened

Erin Patterson is facing trial after pleading not guilty over a fatal mushroom lunch. Today, Nanette Rogers, SC, will present the prosecution’s case against Patterson.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au

I imagine any death cap containing food etc was disposed of elsewhere and EP knew the leftovers in her bin were from the non-poisoned batch.

Only she forgot about the dehydrator….
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I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms. Anyone who has ever sauteed mushrooms knows that they release a lot of moisture at first, but it evaporates as the mushrooms cook. In fact, Gordon Ramsay's recipe for Beef Wellington includes the instruction "When the mushrooms begin to release their juices, continue to cook over a high heat for about 10 minutes until all the excess moisture has evaporated and you are left with a mushroom paste (known as a duxelle)". I guess it's not that relevant to the case but it just strikes me as odd.
 
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Montrealaise said:
I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms. Anyone who has ever sauteed mushrooms knows that they release a lot of moisture at first, but it evaporates as the mushrooms cook. In fact, Gordon Ramsay's recipe for Beef Wellington includes the instruction "When the mushrooms begin to release their juices, continue to cook over a high heat for about 10 minutes until all the excess moisture has evaporated and you are left with a mushroom paste (known as a duxelle)". I guess it's not that relevant to the case but it just strikes me as odd.
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Would it have been easier to sprinkle dehydrated poisonous mushrooms only in the portions of duxelle that were to be given to the lunch guests?

In other words, the duxelle was made - sans poison - then the poison was added to a specific and separated portion of the duxelle only.

I am guessing that the dehydrated poisonous mushrooms may have been sitting in a sealed jar somewhere for a while.

imo
 
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Ellery84 said:
Why did Erin invite Ian and Heather to lunch?

According to Ian’s testimony: He and his wife had never been to her house for a meal before.

We know she’s on trial for murder of Heather and attempted murder of Ian: What would be her motive for killing them?
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To make the lunch look less like a ambush?
 
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SouthAussie said:
We will know for sure when they put the witness from the Botanic Gardens on the stand. I think that is the person who has been quoted elsewhere as finding no traces of Death Cap mushrooms in the leftovers.


This is also from the SMH ...

The leftovers collected from Erin Patterson’s bin and transported to Monash Medical Centre and the Royal Botanic Gardens were tested and did not show any sign of death cap mushrooms, the jury heard.

www.smh.com.au

Alleged mushroom cook didn’t ingest death caps, ‘no record’ she had cancer, jury told: Trial day one, as it happened

Erin Patterson is facing trial after pleading not guilty over a fatal mushroom lunch. Today, Nanette Rogers, SC, will present the prosecution’s case against Patterson.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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Yes, that is the article I refer to which has been linked several times for that wording. One article saying no traces in the leftovers, two articles saying there were traces in the leftovers. It will be helpful to have it cleared up by the Botanic Gardens witness as it is an important piece of the evidence.
 
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Salah11 said:
To make the lunch look less like a ambush?
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Assuming Erin's motive was financial, as above, having Ian and Heather present would make that motive less obvious. At least perhaps in her thinking?

Thing is, Erin wasn't struggling financially was she? So although a financial gain could be seen as a motive, why go to such drastic lengths to achieve it when she wasn't struggling anyway?
 
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Salah11 said:
To make the lunch look less like an ambush?
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Right, and then so were her targets Don and Gail, and Simon? And then Ian and Heather were to be collateral damage?

I just can’t get inside her mindset. If she’s committed this monstrous crime, her planning has been quite thorough in some aspects.

If she’s committed these murders, her mindset must have been very dark and twisted indeed.

Is this why the prosecution have not suggested motive - because the motive is too cold and unfathomable?
 
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Two SCents said:
Yes, that is the article I refer to which has been linked several times for that wording. One article saying no traces in the leftovers, two articles saying there were traces in the leftovers. It will be helpful to have it cleared up by the Botanic Gardens witness as it is an important piece of the evidence.
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If I was on that jury, having no toxin found in the leftovers would point to guilt for me. Deliberate guilt.

"No toxin in the found leftovers? And no mushrooms in the orange cake and fruit salad that was brought for dessert. So, why did they all fall very ill with Death Cap mushroom poisoning (even Erin herself, so she says)?"

imo
 
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SouthAussie said:
If I was on that jury, having no toxin found in the leftovers would point to guilt for me. Deliberate guilt.

"No toxin in the found leftovers? And no mushrooms in the orange cake and fruit salad that was brought for dessert. So, why did they all fall very ill with Death Cap mushroom poisoning (even Erin herself, so she says)?"

imo
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Exactly. That's why it needs to be cleared up.

I'm leaning towards the TWO mastheads reporting the same thing being the correct reporting.
 
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SouthAussie said:
If I was on that jury, having no toxin found in the leftovers would point to guilt for me. Deliberate guilt.

"No toxin in the found leftovers? And no mushrooms in the orange cake and fruit salad that was brought for dessert. So, why did they all fall very ill with Death Cap mushroom poisoning (even Erin herself, so she says)?"

imo
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What did Erin do with the beef Wellington servings that had the death cap mushrooms in them?
 
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Ellery84 said:
What did Erin do with the beef Wellington servings that had the death cap mushrooms in them?
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It all got eaten by her guests.
 
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Ellery84 said:
Why did Erin invite Ian and Heather to lunch?

According to Ian’s testimony: He and his wife had never been to her house for a meal before.

We know she’s on trial for murder of Heather and attempted murder of Ian: What would be her motive for killing them?
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I really wonder that as well, the motive for dragging them into this. More people at the lunch who had then also fallen ill with the same symptoms within the same time frame then also made it quicker to pinpoint the lunch as the cause of their illnesses. Had only Don and Gail been poisoned, the investigation would have taken into consideration what they would have eaten for breakfast and dinner on the day rather than red flagging the lunch immediately.
 
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JennieM said:
It all got eaten by her guests.
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If any toxic duxelle was left over, I would think it was flushed down the toilet. Then the toilet thoroughly scrubbed with bleach.

Or buried in some remote place where her dog couldn't get to it.

imo
 
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latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

Attending medical staff give evidence: Patterson trial

By TOM HAYES MEDICAL professionals who dealt with the guests of the fatal beef wellington lunch gave evidence on [...]
latrobevalleyexpress.com.au latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

This article gives a very good summary of each day , I don't think it is paywalled?
 
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Yh5r said:
I really wonder that as well, the motive for dragging them into this. More people at the lunch who had then also fallen ill with the same symptoms within the same time frame then also made it quicker to pinpoint the lunch as the cause of their illnesses. Had only Don and Gail been poisoned, the investigation would have taken into consideration what they would have eaten for breakfast and dinner on the day rather than red flagging the lunch immediately.
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By inviting Ian and Heather, and having them fall ill with death cap mushroom toxin poisoning, she has made a public health and epidemiology case for the fact that she poisoned them.

So, so stupid. And such a senseless loss of life.

She was book smart but had she studied public health? No.
 
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16 minutes ago

Lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson returns to court​

Ian Wilkinson, the only guest that survived the lunch, and his youngest daughter Ruth Dubois have returned to court in Morwell this morning.
Both have previously given evidence and now are permitted to join the public gallery and watch the rest of the proceedings.


 
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More witnesses will testify in accused mushroom cook Erin Patterson's murder trial, as the case continues in regional Victoria on Thursday.
Dr Veronica Foote is expected to be the first person in the witness box to continue her cross-examination when the jury resumes sitting at the Latrobe Valley courthouse precinct in Morwell.
 
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