GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[Deleted member 367982]

Having access to these kind of things is part of most major prison systems.

A bored prisoner is a prisoner more likely to resort to negative behaviour, against themselves, against other prisoners, and against staff. It's a major safety issue, and contributes to poor physical and mental health for everyone involved.

Access to certain things can also be a way to reward a pattern of positive behaviour, removal a punishment.

It's Skinnerian behaviourism at its most basic level.

The days of pointlessly winding a crank that does nothing or moving rocks from one side of a yard and back are long gone, back in the Victorian era, where they belong.

MOO

I hear what you're saying but prison is there to take away a criminal's freedom and serve as punishment.
Just because Erin may be in a short-staffed section of prison over the last year where privileges have been limited does not mean that is what she will be experiencing in the next 30 years.
The way she is currently treated in jail should have nothing to do with the sentence she gets.
Tomorrow, her prison section may be full staffed and she's seen leaping about 24 hours a day happily talking to all the other murderers.
It should not be like Port Arthur in Tasmania where the prison was so harsh that right next door was the asylum.
If there is talk about prison conditions being too harsh for some prisoners, then that's a discussion for another time to take up with the government and that's not appropriate at her sentencing.
IMO

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
The other long-term inmates of the Gordon Unit
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Colin Mandy concludes his questioning, and prosecutor Jane Warren has one more question to ask of Jennifer Hosking.

Ms Warren asks about the other long-term prisoners in the Gordon Unit.

In the case of the other prisoners, Ms Hosking said there were serious safety concerns which required the prisoners to be isolated long-term, including violent attacks against other prisoners.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drsleuth]

3.02pm

The only inmate Erin Patterson can talk to – but never has​

By​

Trapped in a prison unit with a woman accused of terrorism and long-term inmates, Erin Patterson is being held in isolation for her own safety.

The court is now hearing about the other prisoners in the Gordon unit — a small section of roughly 20 cells. In this unit, two other women have been held for years.

While Patterson is permitted contact with one of them, a woman in custody for terrorism who has a history of attacking other inmates, Patterson’s lawyer Colin Mandy, SC, claims his client has “never spoken one word” to her.

Corrections Victoria Assistant Commissioner Jenny Hosking noted that the lack of communication could be for a number of reasons, from Patterson’s own choice to the disposition of the other inmate.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.smh.com.au

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Defence gives argument for Erin Patterson's sentence
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

The defence begins its plea.

Colin Mandy mentions that Erin Patterson should face a minimum non-parole period of 30 years, which would mean Patterson would be 80 before being eligible for parole.

Mr Mandy tells the court that the conditions in which Erin Patterson is being kept should influence the sentence she is given.

The defence argues Patterson will always be at risk from other prisoners.

He says it means his client will likely be kept in her current conditions for the forseeable future, if not for her entire sentence.

Mr Mandy says the tough conditions mean the burden of imprisonment will be much heavier for Patterson.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

cry me a river

 

[iamshadow21]

Mr Mandy says the tough conditions mean the burden of imprisonment will be much heavier for Patterson.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

cry me a river

Good. Next?

 

[drsleuth]

Key Event
1m ago
Defence gives argument for Erin Patterson's sentence
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

The defence begins its plea.

Colin Mandy mentions that Erin Patterson should face a minimum non-parole period of 30 years, which would mean Patterson would be 80 before being eligible for parole.

Mr Mandy tells the court that the conditions in which Erin Patterson is being kept should influence the sentence she is given.

The defence argues Patterson will always be at risk from other prisoners.

He says it means his client will likely be kept in her current conditions for the forseeable future, if not for her entire sentence.

Mr Mandy says the tough conditions mean the burden of imprisonment will be much heavier for Patterson.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

cry me a river

Actions = consequences IMO

Maybe Erin, you should have thought about this before murdering a whole bunch of wholesome people.

 

[MrJ]

I have no sympathy

 

[drsleuth]

3.18pm

Trapped in a prison within a prison​

By​

Erin Patterson is trapped – in a prison within a prison.

Patterson is in a section of the women’s jail Dame Phyllis Frost that has more restrictions, isolating, and she has no guarantee of ever leaving.

The court heard that while her conditions are considered “flexible,” Corrections Victoria Assistant Commissioner Jenny Hosking couldn’t promise Patterson would ever be moved from the management unit.

Mandy: “While Ms Patterson remains notorious, there would be a risk to her safety of placing her in the general prison population?”

Hosking: “Certainly, the profile and the details of her offending will impact her safety, and that will continue to be reviewed. I’m not saying, and I would never say, that she will stay where she is for the entirety of her sentence.”

Hosking finished her evidence by saying Patterson was restricted because of the risk to her own safety, not the risk she posed to others.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

3 minutes ago

Erin disgruntled by lack of library access
Mr Mandy suggested to Ms Hosking that Erin has actually seen a chaplain on half a dozen occasions.
She told the court she was not in a position to refute that.
The court also heard Erin has only had access to the library a handful of times for only 20 minutes at a time.
Mr Mandy suggested that for as long as his client “remains notorious” there would be a risk to her and she could face never leaving the Gordon unit.
“I’m not saying and I’ll never say that she will stay where she is for the entirety of her sentence,” Ms Hosking said.
Mr Mandy then delivered his final question.
He asked: “You also can’t say that she’ll never leave there?”
She said: “I can’t.”

2 minutes ago

Defence argue for minimum sentence to be set
Mr Mandy then turned to his submissions, conceding that it was “very grave offending”.
“We make no argument that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,” he said.
But he noted that the prosecution and the defence differ on whether or not a non-parole period or a minimum sentence should be set.
“Plainly, when a prisoner is held in isolation … separation … that’s a factor relevant to sentence,” he said.
“The contention is that Ms Patterson will be likely held in those conditions for the foreseeable future and perhaps … for the entire length of her sentence.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/families-to-deliver-victim-impact-statements-at-erin-patterson-presentencing-hearing/live-coverage/f0135c998dfec249578f2d733215e4a4#/entry/33459909

 

[Monstradamus]

Key Event
1m ago
Defence gives argument for Erin Patterson's sentence
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

The defence begins its plea.

Colin Mandy mentions that Erin Patterson should face a minimum non-parole period of 30 years, which would mean Patterson would be 80 before being eligible for parole.

Mr Mandy tells the court that the conditions in which Erin Patterson is being kept should influence the sentence she is given.

The defence argues Patterson will always be at risk from other prisoners.

He says it means his client will likely be kept in her current conditions for the forseeable future, if not for her entire sentence.

Mr Mandy says the tough conditions mean the burden of imprisonment will be much heavier for Patterson.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

cry me a river

Poor, poor Erin.
Does Mr Mandy want us to feel sorry for her?

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is closed.

Please continue at Thread #20.

 

[Monstradamus]

3 minutes ago

Erin disgruntled by lack of library access
Mr Mandy suggested to Ms Hosking that Erin has actually seen a chaplain on half a dozen occasions.
She told the court she was not in a position to refute that.
The court also heard Erin has only had access to the library a handful of times for only 20 minutes at a time.
Mr Mandy suggested that for as long as his client “remains notorious” there would be a risk to her and she could face never leaving the Gordon unit.
“I’m not saying and I’ll never say that she will stay where she is for the entirety of her sentence,” Ms Hosking said.
Mr Mandy then delivered his final question.
He asked: “You also can’t say that she’ll never leave there?”
She said: “I can’t.”

2 minutes ago

Defence argue for minimum sentence to be set
Mr Mandy then turned to his submissions, conceding that it was “very grave offending”.
“We make no argument that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,” he said.
But he noted that the prosecution and the defence differ on whether or not a non-parole period or a minimum sentence should be set.
“Plainly, when a prisoner is held in isolation … separation … that’s a factor relevant to sentence,” he said.
“The contention is that Ms Patterson will be likely held in those conditions for the foreseeable future and perhaps … for the entire length of her sentence.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/families-to-deliver-victim-impact-statements-at-erin-patterson-presentencing-hearing/live-coverage/f0135c998dfec249578f2d733215e4a4#/entry/33459909

Who cares, Mr Mandy?
She should be in isolation for the rest of her miserable life.

 

[drsleuth]

2 minutes ago

Mushroom cook's 'Asperger's syndrome' claim
Justice Beale now asks Mr Mandy about Erin’s claim she has Asperger’s syndrome.
“What is the evidentiary basis for this? Is it just her claim?” he asked.
Mr Mandy pointed to the statements of several people, including Erin’s estranged husband, that suggested she had “anxiety and high-functioning autism”.
Other family members also said it was their belief Erin had autism.
Mr Mandy said Erin found it difficult in prison because of her Asperger’s.
“Changes to routine occur on a minute-by-minute basis, which are never palatable as far as the prisoner is concerned,” he said.
Justice Beale said the accounts of people who believed Erin might have autism was “not the usual evidentiary basis”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/families-to-deliver-victim-impact-statements-at-erin-patterson-presentencing-hearing/live-coverage/f0135c998dfec249578f2d733215e4a4#/entry/33460031

 

[drsleuth]

3.32pm

Autism and Asperger’s can make prison life harder: Colin Mandy​

By​

Appearing emotionless and blinking often, Erin Patterson stares at the court as her pre-sentence hearing moves into the afternoon.

Colin Mandy, SC, is now focusing on her mental health. He told the court that Patterson has been described by herself and others as having anxiety, high-functioning autism, and Asperger’s syndrome, all of which make her life in custody more challenging.

“She does find it difficult because of that condition because she finds it difficult to cope with changes in routine,” Mandy said.

Throughout the afternoon session, Patterson has remained unmoved, staring ahead at the ront of the court as her barrister speaks.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

Beale is right, it's a cocktail of hearsay and armchair diagnosis. Next.

MOO

Exactly.