GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #21

[Monstradamus]

And I believe Simon now has longterm health problems too. Not to mention the children's probable mental health problems.

It's definitely a long lasting ripple effect.
She has ruined so many lives, and does not deserve to see the light of day ever again, imo.

 

[MsMarple]

I don’t understand why it’s a specific sentencing issue for Erin as opposed to a penal system issue. Why would the court become involved in considering her sentence based on hardship when the Australian penal system could and may make positive changes over the years? Does this mean every prisoner confined to solitary is entitled to shorter prison time?

IMO if prison time is inhumane then fix it, don’t allow a criminal to benefit! Grr.

 

[JBowie]

I don’t understand why it’s a specific sentencing issue for Erin as opposed to a penal system issue. Why would the court become involved in considering her sentence based on hardship when the Australian penal system could and may make positive changes over the years? Does this mean every prisoner confined to solitary is entitled to shorter prison time?

IMO if prison time is inhumane then fix it, don’t allow a criminal to benefit! Grr.

I doubt any such 'hardship' argument will swing the Appeals Court. After all, child molesters and other despicable scum, are usually isolated for the term of their imprisonment.

 

[BreakingNews]

I don’t understand why it’s a specific sentencing issue for Erin as opposed to a penal system issue. Why would the court become involved in considering her sentence based on hardship when the Australian penal system could and may make positive changes over the years? Does this mean every prisoner confined to solitary is entitled to shorter prison time?

IMO if prison time is inhumane then fix it, don’t allow a criminal to benefit! Grr.

I agree the system needs fixing; court is not the place to do it. Solitary confinement for endless years would surely be against Human Rights. In Australia, our prison system is not barbaric. We should not equate Erin Patterson who targeted her crimes with the likes of Martin Bryant who randomly shot over 30 people dead.

 

[Detechtive]

I agree the system needs fixing; court is not the place to do it. Solitary confinement for endless years would surely be against Human Rights. In Australia, our prison system is not barbaric. We should not equate Erin Patterson who targeted her crimes with the likes of Martin Bryant who randomly shot over 30 people dead.

Martin Bryant had mental health issues. Erin doesn’t. IMO

 

[JLZ]

Martin Bryant had mental health issues. Erin doesn’t. IMO

And he had an IQ of 66, according to Wikipedia.

 

[BreakingNews]

Martin Bryant had mental health issues. Erin doesn’t. IMO

DO you think people should be sentenced on their mental health issues and IQ? Or should they be sentenced on their crime?

 

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[Detechtive]

DO you think people should be sentenced on their mental health issues and IQ? Or should they be sentenced on their crime?

If they have mental health issues, they should be getting treatment in a facility which also protects the public from them, IMO. If they have a personality disorder, like Erin does (IMO) she is not able to be rehabilitated.

It is awful to compare crimes. But someone with a low IQ and mental health issues certainly has diminished capacity, as opposed to somebody of sound mind with a high IQ who plans on killing people over the course of years.

The court sees mental health issues as important in sentencing, so of course I do. IMO

 

[LinasK]

If they have mental health issues, they should be getting treatment in a facility which also protects them from the public, IMO. If they have a personality disorder, like Erin does (IMO) she is not able to be rehabilitated.

It is awful to compare crimes. But someone with a low IQ and mental health issues certainly has diminished capacity, as opposed to somebody of sound mind with a high IQ who plans on killing people over the course of years.

The court sees mental health issues as important in sentencing, so of course I do. IMO

And Erin would still be capable of poisoning people in her '80's if she got out then. The general public wouldn't necessarily be safe just because they weren't her family members.

 

[BreakingNews]

If they have mental health issues, they should be getting treatment in a facility which also protects the public from them, IMO. If they have a personality disorder, like Erin does (IMO) she is not able to be rehabilitated.

It is awful to compare crimes. But someone with a low IQ and mental health issues certainly has diminished capacity, as opposed to somebody of sound mind with a high IQ who plans on killing people over the course of years.

The court sees mental health issues as important in sentencing, so of course I do. IMO

I have connections to the 2 girls and their mother murdered at Port Arthur. Bryant having mental issues has no bearing on grief.

 

[Detechtive]

I have connections to the 2 girls and their mother murdered at Port Arthur. Bryant having mental issues has no bearing on grief.

Yeah well fortunately the sentencing doesn’t take into account personal biases and proximity.

What Martin Bryant did was absolutely horrific, but while his ‘body count’ was higher, he also wasn’t as rational as Erin. He didn’t even have a trial or due process.

In a sense, Martin Bryant’s crime was akin to a US mass school shooting, and yes, that is absolutely horrific.
Most of the people who carry out such acts are mentally ill, have intellectual disability or otherwise don’t have a formed prefrontal cortex which accurately ascertains consequences, which doesn’t make it less horrific, per se.

I’m not comparing in a way that compares the horrific nature of the offending.

Erin has been found guilty of purposely murdering 3 people and attempted murder of one by a jury of her peers. People she knew and who only supported her and her children. There was no diminished capacity, no psychotic episode, no mental illness. No disability. Premeditated, sustained, planned mass murder of people who were nothing but kind to her.

IMO

 

[LinasK]

Yeah well fortunately the sentencing doesn’t take into account personal biases and proximity.

What Martin Bryant did was absolutely horrific, but while his ‘body count’ was higher, he also wasn’t as rational as Erin. He didn’t even have a trial or due process.

In a sense, Martin Bryant’s crime was akin to a US mass school shooting, and yes, that is absolutely horrific.
Most of the people who carry out such acts are mentally ill, have intellectual disability or otherwise don’t have a formed prefrontal cortex which accurately ascertains consequences, which doesn’t make it less horrific, per se.

I’m not comparing in a way that compares the horrific nature of the offending.

Erin has been found guilty of purposely murdering 3 people and attempted murder of one by a jury of her peers. People she knew and who only supported her and her children. There was no diminished capacity, no psychotic episode, no mental illness. No disability. Premeditated, sustained, planned mass murder of people who were nothing but kind to her.

IMO

All because of her perceived narcissistic injury by them- they dared side with their own son over her! She was "done with them" and she meant it.