GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[Gotta have Faith]

Beats talking about cricket bats!

At the end of the day, all that really matters is the CS was found alive and returned to her family.

 

[Ozgal]

so far as is known, he sold cannabis to the odd travelling camper.. between the hours of 1am and 3am..

Are you saying he did this on the night he allegedly took CS? If so can you provide link, as I haven't read he did. I've read he had in the past sold cannabis to a backpacker

 

[PrimeSuspect]

A doll was seized from the home.

Pencils and crayons were also taken away.

Investigators last week revealed mobile phone data was used to help them crack the case and locate CS.

“So we put the phone data over number-plate recognition data, CCTV, witness accounts, forensics … and when you layer them on top of each other you solve crimes and - that is exactly what we have done here,” Deputy Commissioner Col Blanch told Sunrise.


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[Trooper]

Are you saying he did this on the night he allegedly took CS? If so can you provide link, as I haven't read he did. I've read he had in the past sold cannabis to a backpacker

Obivously, that is not what I am saying. If that was what I was saying, that's what I would have said. The question was, did he have a job, and if he did , what were the hours.

It was reported that he didn't have a formal job, as such., that he had attended a course in construction, and that he sold cannabis, at times, as an informal job, to travelling campers at the blowhole campground. Mainly, at night, according to the source. The source being a man who camped there with his family, 7 of them all up, camped there regularly, and were regular observers of TK in the campground, driving a 4 wheel, on foot, in the day, and at night.

The point of 1am to 3am. is because we know he was there at around that time , that night. Give 30 mins or so either side . It is reasonable to assume that he was there at those times on other nights, that those may have been the hours of his informal job. A not unnatural assumption.

 

[Andreee]

He may not have to, with a small child.. .. Kids accept most stuff at face value.

Not four year olds

 

[Trooper]

Not four year olds

no doubt , your circle of 4 yr olds is much, much wider, deeper than mine. So that's that, then. Miss C did NOT confuse TK for a woman at any stage of the event. ok.

 

[ediethedog]

Surely IF anyone else was involved they should be able to be tracked down fairly easily, it's not like TDK had a heap of friends, and an even shorter list he actually let inside. Unless he's done a Norman Bates and dressed up in his Aunty's old clothes?

I had the same visual of Norman Bates too, which is not something I want to imagine ....

 

[Andreee]

dbm

 

[Andreee]

I think him dressing in women's clothing would of been more appealing to CS i doubt she would of been comfortable with some bloke she doesn't know my opinion is he looks scary to a child like a monster

yes, I think it is absolutely absurd to think that CS would fall for that guy dressed as a woman actually being one! It is ridiculous.

 

[Ozgal]

Obivously, that is not what I am saying. If that was what I was saying, that's what I would have said. The question was, did he have a job, and if he did , what were the hours.

It was reported that he didn't have a formal job, as such., that he had attended a course in construction, and that he sold cannabis, at times, as an informal job, to travelling campers at the blowhole campground. Mainly, at night, according to the source. The source being a man who camped there with his family, 7 of them all up, camped there regularly, and were regular observers of TK in the campground, driving a 4 wheel, on foot, in the day, and at night.

The point of 1am to 3am. is because we know he was there at around that time , that night. Give 30 mins or so either side . It is reasonable to assume that he was there at those times on other nights, that those may have been the hours of his informal job. A not unnatural assumption.

Thanks for explaining

 

[Trooper]

I had the same visual of Norman Bates too, which is not something I want to imagine ....

Hard to unsee, ey...

It's not an unreasonable theory, really. All things considered. His various gender based faux 'persona's ' that peopled his entire facebook life.. A life that consumed him, that he invested god alone knows how much time, keeping track of everyone, thinking up conversations between them and between him and them, tracking their age, interests, likes and dislikes..

It may have been almost a relief to dress up as one of the aunties, .. a bit more confidence, a way to go deeper into character....

I don't know why people dress as the other gender,. I imagine it must be lots of fun, actually. No one would do it unless it felt good.

 

[baffled65]

I said a number of threads back that I believed a woman would have been involved in taking care of CS due to her appearance on rescue. I still do not believe TK would have taken care of a small child that well on his own - the traditional role of Aboriginals leave taking care of children to Aunties, big sisters or Grandmas of their wider family/community. The dressing as a woman theory IMO is just not something that I can believe he would do either.

 

[Andreee]

I said a number of threads back that I believed a woman would have been involved in taking care of CS due to her appearance on rescue. I still do not believe TK would have taken care of a small child that well on his own - the traditional role of Aboriginals leave taking care of children to Aunties, big sisters or Grandmas of their wider family/community. The dressing as a woman theory IMO is just not something that I can believe he would do either.

Yes!

 

[Trooper]

yes, I think it is absolutely absurd to think that CS would fall for that guy dressed as a woman actually being one! It is ridiculous.

This whole event is riddled, drowned in ridiculous. From start to finish. The location, the various characters inhabiting the story, the wider implications, geographical, social, fiscal, criminal, psychological, emotional.. every single bit of it is ridiculous, most of it is a first time one off event , that has not happened anywhere before.

The campground is ridiculous, with its blowholes.. the idea that this kind of thing could happen in Canarvon, of all places on gods green earth. ...

That a bloke would dress as a women, and a little girl would think , under conditions of extreme stress and disorientation , that a 'woman' was brushing her hair, is about the least ridiculous part of the whole story.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

About the locked room at TK's premises. My office/computer room has a dead lock, I keep important documents in that room.

Imo, TK might have had a lock installed for the doll room because they're his prized possessions, and for storing his pot, all valuable items, he would fear them being stolen. It might not have been installed for a future plan of holding a child hostage.

Also, I don't think TK was a recluse as what we might classify as a hermit, he just didn't interact as much as his relatives and friends, they have a yarn everyday, if he didn't participate he'd be considered unsociable, and people are now distancing themselves from him, which is understandable in the circumstances. Once he was holding CS captive, he was socialising quite a bit more. What the two have to do with each other, I can't figure out.

Was TK dressed as a woman? Was there a real woman? IDK. If a woman was coming everyday, could be his pot supplier or a friend helping out. If there's mental illness involved, it's hard to apply logic to what he or they were thinking.

People having different online personas isn't as unusual as you'd think. TK stepped over the line by misappropriating random people's pictures to create the fake family, he could've achieved his aim without resorting to stealing.

 

[Andreee]

This whole event is riddled, drowned in ridiculous. From start to finish. The location, the various characters inhabiting the story, the wider implications, geographical, social, fiscal, criminal, psychological, emotional.. every single bit of it is ridiculous, most of it is a first time one off event , that has not happened anywhere before.

The campground is ridiculous, with its blowholes.. the idea that this kind of thing could happen in Canarvon, of all places on gods green earth. ...

That a bloke would dress as a women, and a little girl would think , under conditions of extreme stress and disorientation , that a 'woman' was brushing her hair, is about the least ridiculous part of the whole story.

We will have to agree to disagree. I am well acquainted with four year olds in my everyday life, and there is a big difference between a two year old and an older toddler. This guy would not pass for a woman at the best of times, and CS was there long enough to observe that.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I said a number of threads back that I believed a woman would have been involved in taking care of CS due to her appearance on rescue. I still do not believe TK would have taken care of a small child that well on his own - the traditional role of Aboriginals leave taking care of children to Aunties, big sisters or Grandmas of their wider family/community. The dressing as a woman theory IMO is just not something that I can believe he would do either.

I agree, when I lived and worked in Brisbane, an Indigenous work colleague of mine's mother did exactly that, she minded young mother's children for various reasons. Sadly, on one occasion, a young mum left her 4 week old baby in her care to go drink at Musgrave Park, and never returned.

 

[Ozgal]

no doubt , your circle of 4 yr olds is much, much wider, deeper than mine. So that's that, then. Miss C did NOT confuse TK for a woman at any stage of the event. ok.

Children believe monsters are real. Those people that dress up in the show ride "Ghost Train" look real, Movie World characters look real etc etc, a child of a young age can easily be fooled.

My son still believed Santa was real and dropped his presents off Xmas Eve at 8yrs of age. I brought him up telling him, that all those Santa's he sees at the shopping centres are his helpers as Santa was just to busy. Unfortunately his big sister let it slip out that Santa wasn't real and he was devastated.

It's definitely a possible theory IMO, that TK could've dressed as a female...I guess time will tell om what forensics have uncovered in his house.

 

[ximenalaballena]

We will have to agree to disagree. I am well acquainted with four year olds in my everyday life, and there is a big difference between a two year old and an older toddler. This guy would not pass for a woman at the best of times, and CS was there long enough to observe that.

I wonder if rather than it being as simple as CS 'falling' for a guy in a silly dress, I am imagining a scenario where TK could have worked each day to convince her that although he looks a lot like TK, he's actually X instead.

I can just imagine him adding accessories, choosing outfits and doing CS's hair, explaining that he can do these things "Because I am a woman, I am X", and "TK will be back later" - which is what happens, and then TK comes back as a macho man, talking about what he got up to at work that day, asking what CS did to spend time with X, isn't X such a lovely lady), etc.

After a few days in a very confusing, strange place without all people and things she knows and loves, and with someone who is clearly extremely mentally disturbed, I can absolutely imagine even the brightest child starting to believe what is in front of them, despite logic telling them otherwise.

MOO.

 

[Estelle]

I realise this has been posted before but I wanted to take another look at it.

A tradie who worked on the house where CS was allegedly held by a kidnapper has told investigators the loner had a room decorated for a little girl, and had claimed he had a young daughter.

The man who was hired to paint the Carnarvon, WA, public housing commission duplex which Terence Darrell Kelly rented was interviewed by police in the days following his arrest and told them he had seen a room adorned with doll-lined shelves.

A door to one of the rooms in the house which can allegedly be locked from the outside is also of particular interest to detectives, reports The Australian, with WA's housing department having a policy to not install locks on internal doors for safety reasons.

Accused kidnapper 'claimed he had a daughter' in doll-filled bedroom in WA | Daily Mail Online

I would like to know when this guy painted the dolls' room.

I wonder when TK was seen at Bunnings

When did TK install the lock on the inside door?

Did he do it himself?

Did TK lie about having a young daughter because he was embarrassed about the dolls?

The painting was probably done before CS arrived.

Does this point to the idea that TK could have planned to abduct a young girl one day or was it purely opportunistic and his fantasy of having a daughter came true?