GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[mmindymoo]

JMO...maybe TK had a child (maybe estranged?), and that's how he got a 2 bed residence? MOO.

I grew up in housing commission. It is very unlikely he would be moved from his residence unless the house is condemned. We had a 3 bedroom house with 2 mum dad and 2 kids. When we grew up and parents separated, dad stayed in the 3 bed alone for at least 8 years before termites forced him out and the house was liquidated.

 

[Trooper]

Well, I guess I see toddlers as a bit smarter than some others do lol. It is just my opinion Also, there were no females as part of the rescue group and CS seemed pretty 'with it' as they left. At this point, it isn't a surety that CS even said there was a female who came to the home anyways.

It could be a matter of not so much smarter, but more conditioned .. if, say , the 4 yr olds of your acquaintance were habitually in the company of people who dressed in a cross dressing way, they would be conditioned to being able to tell who was whom.

Another child, bought up in the absence of such diversity , due to the isolated location, in another culture, 10,000 miles away from yours, say, in a different ambience... both at home and in the community may be completely unaware of such events...

IMO, naturally .

 

[PrimeSuspect]

More from PW

https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/pa...11F15B/$file/pc.pat.140829.tro.008.Walker.pdf

Thanks, I've read this more closely today. This interview is dated 29 Aug, 2014.

PW had a very difficult time with A, as we can read.
What I missed is that TK and J weren't living with PW at the time.
TK would've been 29 years old when PW gave this evidence.
TK was either living out on his own, sharing a house with other people or he may even have been in a relationship. Did he return to her home because A was no longer there? Did TK's mental health deteriorate in his thirties?

The interview with Barbara Graham at link, she claims -

TK changed in recent years and became protective of his adopted grandmother until she passed away last year. TK said to PW - "hurry up, hurry up do your things and come back home... and he'd listen in on your conversations with her."

She also said "TK didn't have the smarts to do it alone, he'd need someone there to show him what to do."

detectives-investigating-if-alleged-abductor-acted-alone

Police have now sprayed the property with a potent chemical foam which could reveal evidence – such as fingerprints or DNA – they need to determine whether anyone else had been in contact with CS after she disappeared from her tent on October 16.
It’s been revealed Mr K had lived with his adoptive grandmother who was his full-time carer during his adulthood because of his mental health. The elderly woman died almost two years ago, and neighbours said Mr K had since been living alone.

case-evidence-woman

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Well, I guess I see toddlers as a bit smarter than some others do lol. It is just my opinion Also, there were no females as part of the rescue group and CS seemed pretty 'with it' as they left. At this point, it isn't a surety that CS even said there was a female who came to the home anyways.

It'll be easy to clear up once the dna and fingerprint evidence comes through. Media jumping the gun again. imo

 

[Andreee]

It'll be easy to clear up once the dna and fingerprint evidence comes through. Media jumping the gun again. imo

Yes, true!

 

[Ozgal]

Thanks, I've read this more closely today. This interview is dated 29 Aug, 2014.

PW had a very difficult time with A, as we can read.
What I missed is that TK and J weren't living with PW at the time.
TK would've been 29 years old when PW gave this evidence.
TK was either living out on his own, sharing a house with other people or he may even have been in a relationship. Did he return to her home because A was no longer there? Did TK's mental health deteriorate in his thirties?

The interview with Barbara Graham at link, she claims -

TK changed in recent years and became protective of his adopted grandmother until she passed away last year. TK said to PW - "hurry up, hurry up do your things and come back home... and he'd listen in on your conversations with her."

She also said "TK didn't have the smarts to do it alone, he'd need someone there to show him what to do."

detectives-investigating-if-alleged-abductor-acted-alone

Police have now sprayed the property with a potent chemical foam which could reveal evidence – such as fingerprints or DNA – they need to determine whether anyone else had been in contact with CS after she disappeared from her tent on October 16.
It’s been revealed Mr K had lived with his adoptive grandmother who was his full-time carer during his adulthood because of his mental health. The elderly woman died almost two years ago, and neighbours said Mr K had since been living alone.

case-evidence-woman

Maybe he was in jail, hence why PW didn't mention TK at that interview IMO

 

[Marg944]

DAILY MAIL ARTICLE - 10th November

A family friend of the man accused of kidnapping CS says the doll-obsessed 36-year-old must have had an accomplice because he doesn't have the 'know-how' to pull off the act alone.
Daily Mail Australia exclusively revealed how the brave four-year-old told detectives a mystery woman came to the house to dress her and brush her hair, with police now investigating the possibility another person was involved in her alleged kidnapping.

Now a family friend of Kelly has revealed she believes he had help in CS's 'abduction' because he doesn't have the capacity to carry out such a crime without assistance.

'He wouldn't be because he hasn't got the know-how of how to do things,' Barbara Graham told Nine.

'He would have had someone there to show him what to do and where to go and what.'
Meanwhile, a potent chemical cocktail has been sprayed into the derelict house where CS was allegedly held captive for nearly three weeks as detectives hunt for fingerprints.

A covert forensics expert told Daily Mail Australia the chemical sprayed into Kelly's home was likely Superfume, a superglue sprayed into rooms with humidifiers to obtain fingerprints, possibly those belonging to an alleged accomplice.

The chemicals are so potent that investigators must wait two days to re-enter properties where it's deployed.
The substance was sprayed into the dilapidated home on Tuesday and cannot be touched until noon on Thursday.

WHAT IS SUPERFUME?
Superfume is a cyanoacrylate fuming system for developing latent fingerprints in situ at major scenes of crime.

Designed to treat domestic rooms, offices, garages and vehicles, it involves a type of superglue being sprayed and then evaporated.
It is used for large volumes of space, such as whole rooms and their contents at crime scenes.
The substance is so potent that it must be left for 48 hours before it's safe to re-enter the room.

By SAM MCPHEE and OLIVIA DAY FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 09:33 AEDT, 10 November 2021 | UPDATED: 09:34 AEDT, 10 November 2021


He hasn't got the know-how

 

[Marg944]

Just took a closer look at TK's car.... looks like he was using the spare tyre.... as shown by the yellow sticker on it (usually has a speed limit written in yellow, to drive at a slow speed)
Also seems to be missing a wheel nut. Should be 5, but only 4 on that wheel.

7 news.com.au
Elizabeth Daoud and Ben Downie

Published: Monday, 8 November 2021 9:42 AM AEDT

 

[Ozgal]

DAILY MAIL ARTICLE - 10th November

A family friend of the man accused of kidnapping CS says the doll-obsessed 36-year-old must have had an accomplice because he doesn't have the 'know-how' to pull off the act alone.
Daily Mail Australia exclusively revealed how the brave four-year-old told detectives a mystery woman came to the house to dress her and brush her hair, with police now investigating the possibility another person was involved in her alleged kidnapping.

Now a family friend of Kelly has revealed she believes he had help in CS's 'abduction' because he doesn't have the capacity to carry out such a crime without assistance.

'He wouldn't be because he hasn't got the know-how of how to do things,' Barbara Graham told Nine.

'He would have had someone there to show him what to do and where to go and what.'
Meanwhile, a potent chemical cocktail has been sprayed into the derelict house where CS was allegedly held captive for nearly three weeks as detectives hunt for fingerprints.

A covert forensics expert told Daily Mail Australia the chemical sprayed into Kelly's home was likely Superfume, a superglue sprayed into rooms with humidifiers to obtain fingerprints, possibly those belonging to an alleged accomplice.

The chemicals are so potent that investigators must wait two days to re-enter properties where it's deployed.
The substance was sprayed into the dilapidated home on Tuesday and cannot be touched until noon on Thursday.

WHAT IS SUPERFUME?
Superfume is a cyanoacrylate fuming system for developing latent fingerprints in situ at major scenes of crime.

Designed to treat domestic rooms, offices, garages and vehicles, it involves a type of superglue being sprayed and then evaporated.
It is used for large volumes of space, such as whole rooms and their contents at crime scenes.
The substance is so potent that it must be left for 48 hours before it's safe to re-enter the room.

By SAM MCPHEE and OLIVIA DAY FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 09:33 AEDT, 10 November 2021 | UPDATED: 09:34 AEDT, 10 November 2021


He hasn't got the know-how

TK was pretty smart managing all those alleged SM profile's, some of his comments so well written and appears quite smart when he wants to be

 

[Ozgal]

Just took a closer look at TK's car.... looks like he was using the spare tyre.... as shown by the yellow sticker on it (usually has a speed limit written in yellow, to drive at a slow speed)
Also seems to be missing a wheel nut. Should be 5, but only 4 on that wheel.

7 news.com.au
Elizabeth Daoud and Ben Downie

Published: Monday, 8 November 2021 9:42 AM AEDT

I don't believe he has driven that car for some time, totally covered in dust and the cobwebs on the back window have been there for quite a while.

 

[Rumination1]

I still wonder if the unidentified women at the TAB and brushing hair could infact be a man who is a cross dresser, I mean a man who is a very good cross dresser, when dressed as a man looks like a man but when dressed as a woman looks completely different looks and sounds like a woman, i don't mean dressed in drag i mean dressed as the girl next door very regular looking, maby that's why the women is unidentifiable, as all her identification would be in a man's name, also a small town of 4000-5000 sounding like everyone knows each other this may be a person he has met online maby even from Perth who would share interests with TK, the fact he was at the TAB with unidentifiable women and CS clames a woman brushed her hair I think its very likely there was another who came into this and may even be the instigator as TK hasn't done anything of this level that we know of and going to the TAB was probably the mistake that will lead to the other person (they must of been feeling confident at that point) as I feel TK may protect the other persons identity if this person is now his special friend and has a connection with similar interests hopefully the TAB will be their undoing

What is the TAB reference please?

 

[bfew]

TK was pretty smart managing all those alleged SM profile's, some of his comments so well written and appears quite smart when he wants to be

Which to me raises a question mark as to whether he was in control of all of those SM accounts at all times.
Whether he was the one posting.
And whether he had someone else assisting him craft some of his posts.

 

[styzrz]

What is the TAB reference please?

A place to make bets on horse racing etc.

 

[Marg944]

I don't believe he has driven that car for some time, totally covered in dust and the cobwebs on the back window have been there for quite a while.

He was seen in that car only a few weeks ago....... car pride....Zero! Taken from the article in the Daily Mail on 5th Nov:-

"Neighbour Henry Dodd claimed he saw the accused kidnapper with a dozen dolls in the back of his dark blue Mazda one week before his arrest, when police were desperately scouring the state searching for CS."

By AMY HARRIS IN CARNARVON and LEVI PARSONS and BRITTANY CHAIN FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 02:21 AEDT, 5 November 2021 | UPDATED: 09:27 AEDT, 5 November 2021

Abductor with a car full of dolls

 

[Rumination1]

Yes I know what a TAb is but I mean was he seen there? When ? Who with ? Maybe I’ve not read that but yet

 

[Ozgal]

Which to me raises a question mark as to whether he was in control of all of those SM accounts at all times.
Whether he was the one posting.
And whether he had someone else assisting him craft some of his posts.

I guess only time will tell if he was solely behind all the SM account's. If he went to the lengths he did to keep his doll collection a secret, I can't see him allowing another person knowing and uncovering his SM fantasy world either IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a new paywalled Herald Sun article ... from just a few hours ago. I don't think it has been mentioned here yet.

Paraphrasing a bit of it. (Nothing else new in the article that I can see.)

Yesterday, CS was back at the police station with her mum and dad. They had a whole bunch of presents with them when they left ... an officer carried them out for them. CS hiding her face from the media, in her mum's shoulder, when they left after a short while.

The police are continuing the forensics at TK's place. On Monday the police took a white mobile phone from the house, among numerous other (unnamed) items.

DC Blanch says there is still "a long way to go" in the investigation. 'Never say never' about more charges being levelled against TK.

heraldsun.com.au detective-who-saved-CS-returns-to-the-house

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes I know what a TAb is but I mean was he seen there? When ? Who with ? Maybe I’ve not read that but yet

"The neighbours also reported seeing TK last Tuesday night, the day before CS was rescued, at the TAB putting bets on with an unidentified woman.

“He was at the TAB putting bets on while the little girl was in the house,” they said."

thewest.com.au police-scour-home-where-terence-kelly-used-to-live-with-his-grandmother

 

[Marg944]

Yes I know what a TAb is but I mean was he seen there? When ? Who with ? Maybe I’ve not read that but yet

Perth Now.com.au news article -
Shannon Hampton and Brianna Dugan PerthNow
November 10, 2021 8:54AM


Ms Walker said she raised Mr Kelly alongside her two grandsons after the death of her daughter from multiple sclerosis.

Cousins Kahlia Brown and Kiara Cooyou, who also lived next door to Mr Kelly before he moved to Tonkin Crescent, said he was “quiet” and “kept to himself”.

“He wouldn’t even say hello or nothing to anyone,” Ms Cooyou said.

The pair, and another neighbour Athol Oakley all said they had been told Mr Kelly was spotted at the TAB on Melbourne Cup day — when he is still alleged to have had CS — with an unidentified woman.

“He was at the TAB putting bets on while the little girl was ... in the house,” they said.

TK allegedly seen at TAB

 

[Mrs G Norris]

"The neighbours also reported seeing TK last Tuesday night, the day before CS was rescued, at the TAB putting bets on with an unidentified woman.

“He was at the TAB putting bets on while the little girl was in the house,” they said."

thewest.com.au police-scour-home-where-terence-kelly-used-to-live-with-his-grandmother

Could night mean at around 3pm
AEDT time with time differences etc? It was Melbourne Cup Day ..