Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[Doesitmakesense]

I don't think they were coerced either. Subtly or blatantly.

I think we expect too much of a little child.

4 year old Addy (Tahnee Shanks case) doesn't seem to have been able to assist the police about her mother's disappearance and herself being left on the streets of Cancun.

I agree. I have children this age. Their has been a hair cutting incident recently. I know exactly who and what happened. But trying to get a straight answer out of the children involved has proved almost impossible.

 

[KateM]

100% agree.

I posted a post a few days ago I myself at 3 have vivid independant memories of an incident that the narrative was changed immediately....I always knew it....and I also always kept my mouth shut.

I didn't add to that post ...the age I was when I pushed back and verbalized "no...thats not the truth"..

12.


I relate to this little girl and IMO she has unburdened herself.

Time is going to tell one way or the other.

moo

Yes, I think that as she has got older, she has questioned what she was told and quite possibly put her own memories of that day into perspective. That could be why there were alleged assaults involved, as she could no longer be manipulated.

 

[KateM]

I agree. I have children this age. Their has been a hair cutting incident recently. I know exactly who and what happened. But trying to get a straight answer out of the children involved has proved almost impossible.

Yes, but that's because one of them is guilty, no doubt.

 

[JLZ]

Yes, I think that as she has got older, she has questioned what she was told and quite possibly put her own memories of that day into perspective. That could be why there were alleged assaults involved, as she could no longer be manipulated.

I have been thinking of her studying the statements and as much of the police brief as she can get, cross-examining her several parents to their point of exasperation, and eventually claiming the reward.

 

[k-mac]

I agree. I have children this age. Their has been a hair cutting incident recently. I know exactly who and what happened. But trying to get a straight answer out of the children involved has proved almost impossible.

There is a big difference though things that happen amongst children to things children witness involving adults.

moo

 

[SouthAussie]

Where do you people understand that FGM's and MFC's cars were parked? I'm wondering if I've been thinking it the wrong way around.

I am not sure that we have ever been told. But I think it was speculated that there were only two positions in the main driveway. Either parked directly behind FGM's car, or parked on the left side of the carport (but still outside the carport), leaving room for FGM's car to get out if it was needed.

Parking on the left side would probably be the polite thing to do. imo
But who knows if FGM was driving much at the time. As she was recovering from an illness, and she was 80 years old.



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[KateM]

I am not sure that we have ever been told. But I think it was speculated that there were only two positions in the main driveway. Either parked directly behind FGM's car, or parked on the left side of the carport (but still outside the carport), leaving room for FGM's car to get out if it was needed.

Parking on the left side would probably be the polite thing to do. imo
But who knows if FGM was driving much at the time. As she was recovering from an illness, and she was 80 years old.


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I wonder if the FGM did her own shopping?

 

[JLZ]

I am not sure that we have ever been told. But I think it was speculated that there were only two positions in the main driveway. Either parked directly behind FGM's car, or parked on the left side of the carport (but still outside the carport), leaving room for FGM's car to get out if it was needed.

Parking on the left side would probably be the polite thing to do. imo
But who knows if FGM was driving much at the time. As she was recovering from an illness, and she was 80 years old.


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I hadn't thought of the two sharing the top driveway. For some reason I thought the other driveway and/or under-house garage would have been used by one of the two cars.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Yes, but that's because one of them is guilty, no doubt.

Oh they are most certainly are. But it's not one that lives at my house. They are covering for another child because they think they won't be able to play with that child anymore if they tell the truth. Not that I have ever made that threat. But I can very much relate this to young LT not wanting to get anyone in trouble or thinking they will being taken away as I think IMO that would probably be something a foster child would have fears over.

 

[KateM]

I hadn't thought of the two sharing the top driveway. For some reason I thought the other driveway and/or under-house garage would have been used by one of the two cars.

In the 60 Minutes story, they showed the top driveway and carport, when they spoke of the MFC leaving that morning to drive into Laurieton.

 

[nightrider17]

I think why the Foster GM testimony seems odd is because she is speaking the truth.

She knows William went round the side of the house out of eyesight, she confirms that was the last she saw and heard of him.
She acknowledges her daughter went looking for William - the Grandmother would be thinking her daughter would come back with William.

But she says after some time she goes in the direction her daughter went and gets all the way to the road and meets up with the neighbour AMS.

So the reason why her statement sounds odd is because her daughter had been missing for quite some time - taking her car for a drive.

I think the Foster GM spoke some truths and their in lies the inconsistency in the story and timeline of events.

Its too convenient to say she has Dementia/Alzheimer's. My mum is similar age and her memory does get affected by stress. So time frames and order of events can get muddled. But in her walk through she certainly had clarity to answer the policewoman's questions I wouldn't necessarily discount her whole testimony.

I don't feel there was any looking for William inside the house after he went missing and before the MFC returned home. The foster GM testimony makes me think this.

You can say oh they could have coached her. I think they didn't say too much to her just the general story line - he went missing around the corner.

All the other bits and pieces about hearing sounds in the reeds, not seeing the red, "you have to answer mummy" where's the red - the cars - the trip - she didn't burden her mum with that storylines.

Less is more. Keep it simple for the Grandmother. MOO

 

[KateM]

Oh they are most certainly are. But it's not one that lives at my house. They are covering for another child because they think they won't be able to play with that child anymore if they tell the truth. Not that I have ever made that threat. But I can very much relate this to young LT not wanting to get anyone in trouble or thinking they will being taken away as I think IMO that would probably be something a foster child would have fears over.

I agree. When the police woman asked Lindsay why she thought William had gone to look for daddy's car, she replied "Because - I don't know". I think she didn't want to get the FFC into trouble, or herself into trouble from the FFC.

 

[nightrider17]

I think where South Aussie put the cars being on the paved driveway with the carport, makes sense where both cars would have been.
One can be directly under the carport and the other to the left of the carport.

Because this is all paved - easier to walk on and its only one/two steps into the house as there is a door right there.

The other enclosed garage - has a gravel/grass driveway and then you would have to walk up quite a lot of stairs. Not convenient at all. MOO

 

[JLZ]

I think why the Foster GM testimony seems odd is because she is speaking the truth.

She knows William went round the side of the house out of eyesight, she confirms that was the last she saw and heard of him.
She acknowledges her daughter went looking for William - the Grandmother would be thinking her daughter would come back with William.

But she says after some time she goes in the direction her daughter went and gets all the way to the road and meets up with the neighbour AMS.

So the reason why her statement sounds odd is because her daughter had been missing for quite some time - taking her car for a drive.

I think the Foster GM spoke some truths and their in lies the inconsistency in the story and timeline of events.

Its too convenient to say she has Dementia/Alzheimer's. My mum is similar age and her memory does get affected by stress. So time frames and order of events can get muddled. But in her walk through she certainly had clarity to answer the policewoman's questions I wouldn't necessarily discount her whole testimony.

I don't feel there was any looking for William inside the house after he went missing and before the MFC returned home. The foster GM testimony makes me think this.

You can say oh they could have coached her. I think they didn't say too much to her just the general story line - he went missing around the corner.

All the other bits and pieces about hearing sounds in the reeds, not seeing the red, "you have to answer mummy" where's the red - the cars - the trip - she didn't burden her mum with that storylines.

Less is more. Keep it simple for the Grandmother. MOO

How do you fit MFC's arrival into FGM's narrative? Please.

 

[JLZ]

I think where South Aussie put the cars being on the paved driveway with the carport, makes sense where both cars would have been.
One can be directly under the carport and the other to the left of the carport.

Because this is all paved - easier to walk on and its only one/two steps into the house as there is a door right there.

The other enclosed garage - has a gravel/grass driveway and then you would have to walk up quite a lot of stairs. Not convenient at all. MOO

Well, that spoils my scenario that William fell off the balcony right next to the garage and was bundled into the boot of FGM's car which was immediately at hand.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think why the Foster GM testimony seems odd is because she is speaking the truth.

She knows William went round the side of the house out of eyesight, she confirms that was the last she saw and heard of him.
She acknowledges her daughter went looking for William - the Grandmother would be thinking her daughter would come back with William.

But she says after some time she goes in the direction her daughter went and gets all the way to the road and meets up with the neighbour AMS.

So the reason why her statement sounds odd is because her daughter had been missing for quite some time - taking her car for a drive.

I think the Foster GM spoke some truths and their in lies the inconsistency in the story and timeline of events.

Its too convenient to say she has Dementia/Alzheimer's. My mum is similar age and her memory does get affected by stress. So time frames and order of events can get muddled. But in her walk through she certainly had clarity to answer the policewoman's questions I wouldn't necessarily discount her whole testimony.

I don't feel there was any looking for William inside the house after he went missing and before the MFC returned home. The foster GM testimony makes me think this.

You can say oh they could have coached her. I think they didn't say too much to her just the general story line - he went missing around the corner.

All the other bits and pieces about hearing sounds in the reeds, not seeing the red, "you have to answer mummy" where's the red - the cars - the trip - she didn't burden her mum with that storylines.

Less is more. Keep it simple for the Grandmother. MOO

I think there was a lot of shielding of FGM going on. Because I think it is probable that William disappeared 'on her watch'. Those minutes when FM went inside to help Lindsay in the toilet.

What I see in my mind's eye is FM and Lindsay going inside, then William zooming around the corner. Then FM and Lindsay coming back outside and realising William was gone.

Only because of the comments (somewhere, and I don't remember where, perhaps a podcast, perhaps the televised police interview) about did FGM blame herself, and FM saying "I don't think so. Well, I hope not".

imo

ETA: Found the link. It was said in the police televised interview.

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap...

www.9news.com.au

 

[nightrider17]

I think also the Foster Grandmother and her female foster grandchild probably where quite happy being on the back porch colouring and reading the paper in peace, so the time lapse was not a great concern to them. MOO

 

[LolaAngelina]

Considering that the FFC has been charged with giving false evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, I think it's safe to say that she would still be a POI, at least until her court case on the 7th June. The MFC has also been charged with giving false evidence and his court case will be held in October.

That quote in the ABC article about the FFC being a POI for a while last year, is most likely a journalistic error.

BBM Those charges have nothing to do with solving his disappearance so they don’t automatically mean she’s still a POI in Williams case.

 

[KateM]

I think there was a lot of shielding of FGM going on. Because I think it is probable that William disappeared 'on her watch'. Those minutes when FM went inside to help Lindsay in the toilet.

What I see in my mind's eye is FM and Lindsay going inside, then William zooming around the corner. Then FM and Lindsay coming back outside and realising William was gone.

Only because of the comments (somewhere, and I don't remember where, perhaps a podcast, perhaps the televised police interview) about did FGM blame herself, and FM saying "I don't think so. Well, I hope not".

imo

This article in the DM says that both the FFC and the FG went inside. The story has changed a lot over the years...

False leads and unfruitful search for missing toddler is scaled back

Investigators have had hundreds of tips and possible sightings of missing toddler William Tyrell in Kendall on the New South Wales mid north coast. But no one has found a trace and police dogs failed to even locate a scent of the missing three-year-old.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Detective Willy]

BBM Those charges have nothing to do with solving his disappearance so they don’t automatically mean she’s still a POI in Williams case.

I am very curious how you could possibly know that the charges have nothing to do with solving William's disappearance?

To my knowledge the General Public do not know what the charges relate to.

Do you have a link that you can share? Ta.