Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) 12 Sept 2014 #79

[drsleuth]

Gary's interest in PS must have had some merit. SFR were issued with LD's & undertook covert operations. There must have been a good reason. IMO

I'm not convinced that Gary actually thought that PS harmed William etc. I believe PS has info / saw something / heard something thou? IMO

I'd love to know Dr Yule's take on all the players in this case.........

 

[Couldbe]

Gary's interest in PS must have had some merit. SFR were issued with LD's & undertook covert operations. There must have been a good reason. IMO

I'm not convinced that Gary actually thought that PS harmed William etc. I believe PS has info / saw something / heard something thou? IMO

I'd love to know Dr Yule's take on all the players in this case.........

JMO - But it doesn't appear that Savage was induced by the $1M Reward to contribute any useful info that he had in relation to seeing something / hearing something.

 

[JBowie]

Gary's interest in PS must have had some merit. SFR were issued with LD's & undertook covert operations. There must have been a good reason. IMO

I'm not convinced that Gary actually thought that PS harmed William etc. I believe PS has info / saw something / heard something thou? IMO

I'd love to know Dr Yule's take on all the players in this case.........

IMO, from what I've read about him, Paul Savage is such a weird-behaving person on a number of levels that he could be a suspect in almost anything.

I love to see a psychological report on him.

 

[drsleuth]

JMO - But it doesn't appear that Savage was induced by the $1M Reward to contribute any useful info that he had in relation to seeing something / hearing something.

Everyone is not motivated by money thou.

 

[drsleuth]

IMO, from what I've read about him, Paul Savage is such a weird-behaving person on a number of levels that he could be a suspect in almost anything.

I love to see a psychological report on him.

I'd describe him as eccentric / quirky etc. Not stupid by any means IMO

I wonder if anyone listened to all those 100's of hours of LD's ??

PS sure said some odd things on some of those LD's.

People say he's old, confused etc excusing away his words..........But imagine if the FGM was caught on a LD speaking those words or similar words............would people think the same of her?, I very much doubt it IMO

The retiree, who lived close to the home where William disappeared in Kendall on the NSW Mid-North Coast, was under significant police scrutiny in 2017 and listening devices were planted in his house.

Mr Savage, who has never been charged over the disappearance of William, was recorded in August 2017 saying: "Don't tell anyone love, they're right after me. Sorry".

Detective Beacroft on Thursday said she believed Mr Savage was no longer an "active" person of interest, despite there there being nothing which could rule him out.

'Don't tell anyone, love': Secret recordings of William Tyrrell suspect revealed in court

A Sydney court hears how police planted listening devices in the home of retiree Paul Savage after it was suggested he tried to cover up the accidental death of William Tyrrell and heard the suspect talking to his dead wife.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Couldbe]

Detective Beacroft on Thursday said she believed Mr Savage was no longer an "active" person of interest, despite there there being nothing which could rule him out.

'Don't tell anyone, love': Secret recordings of William Tyrrell suspect revealed in court

A Sydney court hears how police planted listening devices in the home of retiree Paul Savage after it was suggested he tried to cover up the accidental death of William Tyrrell and heard the suspect talking to his dead wife.

www.abc.net.au

From your link: your link:

"Mr Jubelin's barrister, Margaret Cunneen SC, put it to Detective Beacroft that a commander of the homicide squad, Scott Cook, said to her the investigation was "a waste of time" and police would "never get anyone for this".

"That's possibly something that was said," the witness replied.

Detective Beacroft on Thursday said she believed Mr Savage was no longer an "active" person of interest, despite there there being nothing which could rule him out.

Mr Jubelin's case was set down for five days, but is likely to be extended into next week."
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JMO - I really don't believe Detective Beacroft, while being questioned by Jubelin's Defence Barrister Margaret Cunneen SC, was necessarily inferring that Savage should still be under suspicion!

 

[drsleuth]

From your link: your link:

"Mr Jubelin's barrister, Margaret Cunneen SC, put it to Detective Beacroft that a commander of the homicide squad, Scott Cook, said to her the investigation was "a waste of time" and police would "never get anyone for this".

"That's possibly something that was said," the witness replied.

Detective Beacroft on Thursday said she believed Mr Savage was no longer an "active" person of interest, despite there there being nothing which could rule him out.

Mr Jubelin's case was set down for five days, but is likely to be extended into next week."
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JMO - I really don't believe Detective Beacroft, while being questioned by Jubelin's Defence Barrister Margaret Cunneen SC, was necessarily inferring that Savage should still be under suspicion!

BBM : Why not??

She did alot off work with PS. She did his walk thru.

She actually did sooo much work on the case with the POI packages , cars, town canvas & re interviews etc. She did the work with the Crabb's - video re-enactment. Also the same with Mr Chapman.

She had responsibility for the management of Eagle Eye . She was involved in the May 2018 forensic search.

She had pretty impressive spreadsheets & timeline document etc

Personally I don't think she got or gets enough recognition for her part in SFR IMO

 

[Eloise]

Gary's interest in PS must have had some merit. SFR were issued with LD's & undertook covert operations. There must have been a good reason. IMO

I'm not convinced that Gary actually thought that PS harmed William etc. I believe PS has info / saw something / heard something thou? IMO

I'd love to know Dr Yule's take on all the players in this case.........

bbm: I agree

 

[Couldbe]

bbm: I agree

Eloise .... what makes you think that?

Is there some particular evidence that leads you to support that view?

 

[miss_J]

Long time reader/first time poster ..
I don’t think there is anything I haven’t read, listened to or watched on this case.
I don’t think it was possible they were stalked or this was planned.
When the fm was accused I was stunned, but I see why the investigators can draw no other conclusions to how he went missing.
Her version plays out like a movie script, a performance with details on feelings and moments instead of hard timelines.
But is that just how she can process the event?
Her mind filling in details mixed with shock?
I think if he went over the balcony she is the type that would call for help not cover up. And I don’t see how there would be no evidence of a cover up in a such a short amount of time.
Jubelin’s focus on PS was due to opportunity for an accident and added bizarre behaviour. “Getting lost” in the same bush you walk every day while out searching makes little sense.
FA while a creep with full capabilities to commit kidnapping doesn’t seem to have had a reason to be in the street.
It is such a sad case that is going on for so long.

 

[Eloise]

Eloise .... what makes you think that?

Is there some particular evidence that leads you to support that view?

just my hunch, but I really don't think PS did anything himself. I think if he did, there's no way it wouldn't have come to light. I do think he is the most likely person to have seen or known something though and I think Jubelin thought so too. idk just the impression I got

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

It's been a long time since we closed this thread to newer members who joined after December 2021.

We re going to reopen this discussion to everyone with fingers crossed that the trolls have all moved on. If by chance it starts up again, we can review it at that time.

 

[BreakingNews]

Every time I read that bit, I think that if I were in their position and absolutely innocent, then I'd demand to take a polygraph test.

Yes, yes, I know it's not accepted in courts, and not considered 100% reliable, yaya, yada, yada, but it's considered good enough by the FBI and CIA to check their staff and that's good enough for me.

Totally agree. However if you believe your own lies, the polygraph test would be useless. Believing your own lies often comes about after repeating the same story over and over. MOO.

 

[Couldbe]

Totally agree. However if you believe your own lies, the polygraph test would be useless. Believing your own lies often comes about after repeating the same story over and over. MOO.

JMO - With the inconsistencies about the events of that morning when William vanished, I wonder how a polygraph test might handle those.

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't believe that the ODDP still hasn't refused to prosecute those wacko proposed police charges. IMO the ODDP should have dismissed them very quickly.

I think the ODPP probably gave its answer to a potential prosecution a long time ago. Only nobody bothered to leak the answer. Probably because the answer was "no, you don't have the evidence for a successful prosecution". imo

 

[SouthAussie]

FA while a creep with full capabilities to commit kidnapping doesn’t seem to have had a reason to be in the street.

FA is a petty thief (as well as a child abuser and alleged murderer).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/tiny-church-now-at-centre-of-william-tyrrell-inquiries/news-story/20fc13702239ca55a92bc6867d7d47d2?amp

 

[BoysTown]

FA is a petty thief (as well as a child abuser and alleged murderer).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/tiny-church-now-at-centre-of-william-tyrrell-inquiries/news-story/20fc13702239ca55a92bc6867d7d47d2?amp

Exactly! Wasn’t there a house in the street who’s occupants were away on holiday?

 

[drsleuth]

Exactly! Wasn’t there a house in the street who’s occupants were away on holiday?

Yes the Millers, next door. # 52 Benaroon Drive.

Many places from there to hide, watch & easy access to & from the fire trail without even going on the road IMO

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-kendall-129781910

Edit to add that PS has a direct line of vision from where he sat & had his cups of tea too to see the fire trail.

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[BreakingNews]

JMO - With the inconsistencies about the events of that morning when William vanished, I wonder how a polygraph test might handle those.

There are so many inconsistencies. I tried to chart them once. But it got too complex.

 

[JBowie]

I think the ODPP probably gave its answer to a potential prosecution a long time ago. Only nobody bothered to leak the answer. Probably because the answer was "no, you don't have the evidence for a successful prosecution". imo

I think you are probably right.