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  • #961
JBowie said:
IMO, that's Royal Commission stuff, right there.
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So many questions to be asked, so many answers will never be had - IMO.

Just to be clear, I certainly don’t dispute the need for some children to be removed from dangerous situations. They deserve to feel loved and safe.

I also agree that many should have been removed much earlier.
My heart broke today hearing of a guy & then partner who went on a drug binge for days, completely ignoring her 8 mth old, who was subsequently discovered deceased. …

On the flip side however, are the many ‘removed’ children who unfortunately go from the frying pan into the fire. … perhaps William and his sister fall into a bit of that category.

I’m a big advocate for focus on proactive measures of Prevention rather than sticking a Band-Aid on afterwards.

Sadly I think there’s currently so many problems across All of the supposed ‘People Focused’ areas of our Government that it’s hit & miss as to what occurs, when - and also the attitude with which a case will be handled.

To function as they ideally should, the Teams on the ground that support Us, must Themselves be appropriately supported and resourced, but that doesn’t appear to happen.

Although it’s seen as the ‘higher power’, I think it’s important that our Government understands that it’s only there in that position of power because the greater community put faith in it to deliver for the Good of our Country and our People !

It needs to humbly understand that there’s an expectation for our people to be supported and empowered to deliver in their work for the good of all.

I don’t think I’m alone in noticing the sting of my Tax contributions. For me it’s not satisfactory that we have a shortage of Staff /suitably qualified Staff and Resources across all of our ‘professional services’ departments.

All just my opinion, and I remain hopeful that things will change for the better.
 
  • #962
JBowie said:
IMO, that's Royal Commission stuff, right there.
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Like this one?

Child Protection Systems Royal Commission

The Child Protection Systems Royal Commission conducted a comprehensive investigation into the laws, policies, practices and structures in place for children at risk of harm, including those who are under guardianship of the minister.
www.childprotection.sa.gov.au www.childprotection.sa.gov.au


There has already been numerous inquiries. Numerous recommendations implemented.

All parents under the Childrens Services lens are offered multiple sources of support. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

My feeling is that a magical crystal ball would be needed to know which children need removing and which ones don't.

Which is why statements like "I question the decision to remove those children as I’ve no doubt of their parental love" seem so redundant.

An honest determination on that type of thing cannot be made from sitting behind a computer screen and feeling sorry for someone. Even professionals working the cases and experienced judges have some difficulty in that determination.

When William's sister was removed, it must have been glaringly obvious that she was greatly at risk. With no reprieve for her in sight ... so, removal until 18 years old.

imo,
 
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  • #963
Warshawski said:
So many questions to be asked, so many answers will never be had - IMO.

Just to be clear, I certainly don’t dispute the need for some children to be removed from dangerous situations. They deserve to feel loved and safe.

I also agree that many should have been removed much earlier.
My heart broke today hearing of a guy & then partner who went on a drug binge for days, completely ignoring her 8 mth old, who was subsequently discovered deceased. …

On the flip side however, are the many ‘removed’ children who unfortunately go from the frying pan into the fire. … perhaps William and his sister fall into a bit of that category.

I’m a big advocate for focus on proactive measures of Prevention rather than sticking a Band-Aid on afterwards.
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BBM

Warsh what should have been offered to the bio parents? What was offered? Did they engage? What if they refuse to engage?
Here is another coroners case ( also Coroner Grahame ) where if this child had of been placed in OOHC very early in her life ( known to DCJ since she was 7months old & died by suicide when she was 15 yrs old ) than she may just still be alive living a good life & not have lived a life filled with soooo much trauma, neglect & domestic abuse & with no hope. It's all just so bloody sad :(


Warshawski said:
Sadly I think there’s currently so many problems across All of the supposed ‘People Focused’ areas of our Government that it’s hit & miss as to what occurs, when - and also the attitude with which a case will be handled.
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I agree. Woefully understaffed.
Warshawski said:
To function as they ideally should, the Teams on the ground that support Us, must Themselves be appropriately supported and resourced, but that doesn’t appear to happen.

Although it’s seen as the ‘higher power’, I think it’s important that our Government understands that it’s only there in that position of power because the greater community put faith in it to deliver for the Good of our Country and our People !

It needs to humbly understand that there’s an expectation for our people to be supported and empowered to deliver in their work for the good of all.

I don’t think I’m alone in noticing the sting of my Tax contributions. For me it’s not satisfactory that we have a shortage of Staff /suitably qualified Staff and Resources across all of our ‘professional services’ departments.

All just my opinion, and I remain hopeful that things will change for the better.
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All the workers in these very broken systems ( DCJ, DOE , Health, Policing ) are expected to make the very broken systems "work", but they are not miracle workers. Alot of these workers walk away just as broken as the systems they work in.

All IMO

:(
 
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  • #965
I heard about this on Triple J news today. Unfortunately, I can't see a non-paywalled article about it.

(paraphrased)

The NSW Govt has now moved the last child living in an Alternative Care Arrangement (motel, hotel, caravan park - with rotating care workers instead of a foster carer) to accredited accommodation.

They have recruited emergency foster carers, which enabled them to move more than 1,000 children out of ACAs.

They have established Waratah Care Cottages to support children and sibling groups.

They have given case workers the largest pay increase in more than a decade, and recruited specialist case workers for an additional 300 vulnerable children.

Advocates have said that it is a massive step forward.

They desperately need more foster carers. Hundreds of children are in emergency foster care (which is not long term).

NSW ends unaccredited emergency care for vulnerable children


And this article is about Waratah Care Cottgaes .... New care cottages to lift hope and healing for children and young people
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  • #966
I found this article SouthAussie:-

For the first time in 20+ years, there are no vulnerable children in unaccredited emergency care​

3 April 2024

“The NSW Government has ended unaccredited emergency accommodation for vulnerable children in out-of-home care (OOHC), marking a significant milestone in ongoing efforts to fix the state’s child protection system.

This week, the last child living in an Alternative Care Arrangement (ACA) was transitioned to more appropriate, supportive accommodation with an accredited provider. For the first time in 20 years, there are no children living in unaccredited emergency accommodation tonight.”

dcj.nsw.gov.au

For the first time in 20+ years, there are no vulnerable children in unaccredited emergency care

The NSW Government has ended unaccredited emergency accommodation for vulnerable children in out-of-home care (OOHC), marking a significant milestone in ongoing efforts to fix the state’s child protection system.
dcj.nsw.gov.au dcj.nsw.gov.au
 
  • #967
  • #968
sleepinoz said:
Foster Mother's appeal is supposed to start today, I can't find any court listing for it - anyone else?

The foster father is due to face a half-day appeal hearing on February 10, 2025, then the foster mother's legal challenge will span two days commencing on April 7.

www.9news.com.au

Dates set for Tyrrell's ex-foster parents to appeal assault, intimidation convictions

www.9news.com.au www.9news.com.au
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Their names are suppressed and hence don’t appear on any court list. But her trial was supposed to be at Downing Centre court starting today, for 2 days.

IMHO
 
  • #969
  • #970
Was just trying to recall what she was charged with back in March, 2024.



“The foster mother, 58, was found guilty of intimidation, while another similar count of intimidation was dismissed.

The woman was found guilty of intimidation relating to threats to slap the child during heated arguments.

The woman was also on Wednesday sentenced for two counts of assault after she pleaded guilty to kicking the child and hitting them with a wooden spoon.”


“The foster mother was sentenced to a 12-month community corrections order, while the foster father was handed a 12-month good behaviour bond.”


 
  • #971
  • #972
SouthAussie said:
"Judge Kumar will hand down her judgment in May."

(from your link)
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The journalist must have edited that article since I posted it. That last sentence previously said “the hearing continues”.


In the journo’s same article via Newswire, it says that it has been updated.

“14 hours ago. Updated 6 hours ago. NewsWire”
 
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  • #973
SouthAussie said:
"Judge Kumar will hand down her judgment in May."

(from your link)
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Noticed this bit too..........

The court heard the incidents occurred in January and October 2021 but she was not charged until November that year because police were waiting for her to appear at the NSW Crime Commission.


Why wait? To try & add more charges? Obviously not caring about the well being of the child IMO
 
  • #974
drsleuth said:
Noticed this bit too..........

The court heard the incidents occurred in January and October 2021 but she was not charged until November that year because police were waiting for her to appear at the NSW Crime Commission.


Why wait? To try & add more charges? Obviously not caring about the well being of the child IMO
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In my opinion, the charges brought against the FFC are surprisingly lenient given the gravity of her actions. It feels as though she’s effectively gotten away with something as serious as interfering with a corpse , and yet she continues to contest the assault and intimidation convictions she clearly orchestrated against Ws sister. Considering Judge Kumar is a woman, I’d be genuinely surprised if she chose to overturn the conviction—being female, I would expect a greater sense of accountability and empathy, especially towards victims in State care.

Frankly, it’s deeply unsettling to see what the FFC has managed to escape responsibility for, and I can’t help but wonder whether the outcome would be the same if she didn’t have access to top-tier legal representation. People may criticize me for saying this, but I’m not here to sugarcoat anything. I believe in speaking my truth.

Regardless of whether the pressure comes from law enforcement, an abusive relationship, financial struggles, or any other source, it does not excuse an adult’s decision to put a child in their care at risk of physical or emotional harm. A child is never to blame for simply being a child.

If the FFC was under immense pressure at the time the child was assaulted, she had a duty to recognize her limitations and not take on more children than what she was capable of caring for. The tragic events—from W’s disappearance to the assault on his sister—are a direct result of her poor judgment. Ultimately the ffc failed the children in her care. She failed them many times of over and Sadly, it’s the children who have suffered the most from her actions.
 
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  • #975
Chrissy74 said:
...... and yet she continues to contest the assault and intimidation convictions
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Like every Australian citizen, she has the right to appeal her verdict and/or her sentence. Whether that is liked or not.
 
  • #976
Chrissy74 said:
In my opinion, the charges brought against the FFC are surprisingly lenient given the gravity of her actions. It feels as though she’s effectively gotten away with something as serious as murder, and yet she continues to contest the assault and intimidation convictions. Considering Judge Kuma is a woman, I’d be genuinely surprised if she chose to overturn the conviction—being female, I would expect a greater sense of accountability and empathy.
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BBM : I don't think they are at all. These magistrates deal with all levels / gravity / severity of child abuse & in the FFC's case these charges were on the lower level IMO, sadly children are everyday exposed to much worse ( ie sexual abuse, torture, extreme neglect etc )

Chrissy74 said:
Frankly, it’s deeply unsettling to see what the FFC has managed to escape responsibility for, and I can’t help but wonder whether the outcome would be the same if she didn’t have access to top-tier legal representation. People may criticize me for saying this, but I’m not here to sugarcoat anything. I believe in speaking my truth.
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I think we all like to speak our own truth.
Chrissy74 said:
If the FFC was under immense pressure at the time the child was assaulted, she had a duty to recognize her limitations and not take on more children. The tragic events—from W’s disappearance to the assault on his sister—are a direct result of her poor judgment. Sadly, it’s the children who have suffered the most from her actions.
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Were these charges before or after a second child was introduced to the FF???




I also don't condone any type of child abuse btw, but can see how this is on the lower scale of abuse & judged as such by law.



All IMO
 
  • #977
Chrissy74 said:
In my opinion, the charges brought against the FFC are surprisingly lenient given the gravity of her actions. It feels as though she’s effectively gotten away with something as serious as interfering with a corpse , and yet she continues to contest the assault and intimidation convictions she clearly orchestrated against Ws sister. Considering Judge Kumar is a woman, I’d be genuinely surprised if she chose to overturn the conviction—being female, I would expect a greater sense of accountability and empathy, especially towards victims in State care.

Frankly, it’s deeply unsettling to see what the FFC has managed to escape responsibility for, and I can’t help but wonder whether the outcome would be the same if she didn’t have access to top-tier legal representation. People may criticize me for saying this, but I’m not here to sugarcoat anything. I believe in speaking my truth.

Regardless of whether the pressure comes from law enforcement, an abusive relationship, financial struggles, or any other source, it does not excuse an adult’s decision to put a child in their care at risk of physical or emotional harm. A child is never to blame for simply being a child.

If the FFC was under immense pressure at the time the child was assaulted, she had a duty to recognize her limitations and not take on more children than what she was capable of caring for. The tragic events—from W’s disappearance to the assault on his sister—are a direct result of her poor judgment. Ultimately the ffc failed the children in her care. She failed them many times of over and Sadly, it’s the children who have suffered the most from her actions.
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At what point are your accusations libelous?

There’s never been a single shred of evidence she has any responsibility for his disappearance. It’s sad - shades of Lindy Chamberlain.
 
  • #978
drsleuth said:
BBM : I don't think they are at all. These magistrates deal with all levels / gravity / severity of child abuse & in the FFC's case these charges were on the lower level IMO, sadly children are everyday exposed to much worse ( ie sexual abuse, torture, extreme neglect etc )



I think we all like to speak our own truth.


Were these charges before or after a second child was introduced to the FF???




I also don't condone any type of child abuse btw, but can see how this is on the lower scale of abuse & judged as such by law.



All IMO
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marv hucker said:
At what point are your accusations libelous?

There’s never been a single shred of evidence she has any responsibility for his disappearance. It’s sad - shades of Lindy Chamberlain.
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Are they accusations MT or are they facts?. Ffc responsibilities for W and L were that of a Duty of Care. A duty of care to keep W and his sister safe and free from harm. A duty of care to take whats considered “reasonable steps” to foresee and avoid possible dangers and potential harm and hazards. On that tragic morning did Ffc fulfill her responsibility to keep W safe? did the ffc take reasonable steps to inspect and safeguard the area and surrounding areas where W was playing or might wander off to? Did ffc fulfill her responsibility to keep W free from harm by assessing the potential dangers and hazards and putting necessary measures in place to avoid such dangers and potential harm W a 3yo boisterous boy might encounter? Did Ffc fulfill her responsibility to keep W in her sights knowing and seeing suspicious cars in the street only minutes earlier, knowing the veranda was only metres away and not in her direction of sight, knowing the path to the road had no fence or barriers.
“there’s not a shred of evidence Ffc is responsible for what happened to W that morning “,

The evidence is the ffc failure in her responsibility to ensure at every possible level, the safety and wellbeing of W that morning and HER failure to fulfill her responsibilities make her directly responsible for Ws tragic fate that morning.
 
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  • #979
Chrissy74 said:
“there’s not a shred of evidence Ffc is responsible for what happened to W that morning “,

The evidence is the ffc failure in her responsibility to ensure at every possible level, the safety and wellbeing of W that morning whilst in her care and HER failure to fulfill her responsibilities make her directly responsible for Ws tragic fate that morning. Not the mfc, not the fgm, not Ws sister and not a random stranger/abductor.
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That is not 'evidence' that FM is responsible for William's disappearance.
 
  • #980
drsleuth said:
BBM : I don't think they are at all. These magistrates deal with all levels / gravity / severity of child abuse & in the FFC's case these charges were on the lower level IMO, sadly children are everyday exposed to much worse ( ie sexual abuse, torture, extreme neglect etc )



I think we all like to speak our own truth.


Were these charges before or after a second child was introduced to the FF???




I also don't condone any type of child abuse btw, but can see how this is on the lower scale of abuse & judged as such by law.



All IMO
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It is a criminal offence for carers to use corporal punishment as a behaviour management strategy, or to inflict any form of punishment intended to humiliate, instill fear, or make a child feel unsafe. These actions are not only unacceptable—they are toxic control tactics that serve no purpose other than to assert power over someone who is vulnerable and defenseless. Any form of abuse or intimidation is wrong.

In this case, while the severity of the abuse inflicted on L by FFC may be considered on the lower end of the abuse scale, the fact remains that the code of conduct strictly prohibits corporal punishment and clearly classifies it as a criminal offence. Given this, it is difficult to comprehend how anyone, including a judge, could view this as anything less than a serious breach—both of legal standards and of the trust placed in carers. FFC’s conviction and sentencing send a strong and unequivocal message: such behaviour will not be tolerated.
Ffc defense to have her conviction overturned is weak and holds no merit. The pressures of life come and go but abuse and the effects of it can stay with a victim for their entire lives
 
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