Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Mauig’ma]

It is a criminal offence for carers to use corporal punishment as a behaviour management strategy, or to inflict any form of punishment intended to humiliate, instill fear, or make a child feel unsafe. These actions are not only unacceptable—they are toxic control tactics that serve no purpose other than to assert power over someone who is vulnerable and defenseless. Any form of abuse or intimidation is wrong.

In this case, while the severity of the abuse inflicted on L by FFC may be considered on the lower end of the abuse scale, the fact remains that the code of conduct strictly prohibits corporal punishment and clearly classifies it as a criminal offence. Given this, it is difficult to comprehend how anyone, including a judge, could view this as anything less than a serious breach—both of legal standards and of the trust placed in carers. FFC’s conviction and sentencing send a strong and unequivocal message: such behaviour will not be tolerated.
Ffc defense to have her conviction overturned is weak and holds no merit. The pressures of life come and go but abuse and the effects of it can stay with a victim for their entire lives

I completely agree with all you said Chrissy74. Especially the last paragraph. So true. imo

 

[Chrissy74]

In light of the recent death of Tiahleigh’s murderer, I’m prompted to ask a question that I hope someone can shed light on. Are the foster parents, particularly considering the recent overturning of the foster father’s conviction, still eligible and authorised to provide out-of-home care or foster children currently in state care?

 

[marv hucker]

Would not think so.
As it stands she has a conviction.

 

[marv hucker]

It is a criminal offence for carers to use corporal punishment as a behaviour management strategy, or to inflict any form of punishment intended to humiliate, instill fear, or make a child feel unsafe. These actions are not only unacceptable—they are toxic control tactics that serve no purpose other than to assert power over someone who is vulnerable and defenseless. Any form of abuse or intimidation is wrong.

In this case, while the severity of the abuse inflicted on L by FFC may be considered on the lower end of the abuse scale, the fact remains that the code of conduct strictly prohibits corporal punishment and clearly classifies it as a criminal offence. Given this, it is difficult to comprehend how anyone, including a judge, could view this as anything less than a serious breach—both of legal standards and of the trust placed in carers. FFC’s conviction and sentencing send a strong and unequivocal message: such behaviour will not be tolerated.
Ffc defense to have her conviction overturned is weak and holds no merit. The pressures of life come and go but abuse and the effects of it can stay with a victim for their entire lives

Sure but breaching a code of conduct doesn’t make her responsible for his death. An absolutely indefensible - and reprehensible! - accusation against a victim.

 

[Chrissy74]

Sure but breaching a code of conduct doesn’t make her responsible for his death. An absolutely indefensible - and reprehensible! - accusation against a victim.

2 separate posts, 2 different breaches.

Code of Conduct for carers outlines expected behaviours and ethical standards.
Duty of care on the other hand, refers to the legal responsibility of carers to protect children from harm and ensure their safety and well-being.

The only victims in these scenarios, are the children.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sure but breaching a code of conduct doesn’t make her responsible for his death. An absolutely indefensible - and reprehensible! - accusation against a victim.

I'm not buying what is being sold either. The police have a lot to answer for in this case, and I hope that is addressed in the inquest findings.

imo

 

[marv hucker]

The only victims in these scenarios, are the children.

You don’t believe families of those murdered are also victims of crime?

That’s an interesting alternative viewpoint.

 

[Chrissy74]

You don’t believe families of those murdered are also victims of crime?

That’s an interesting alternative viewpoint.

Was it murder or misadventure? From my understanding the coroner has yet to release her findings.

But to answer your question if “I believe families of those murdered are also victims of crime?”
Of course I do, and there are many legitimate families who are victims of such crimes and are, by law, entitled to some form of compensation. However, you can’t simply assume that W was murdered and therefore that the FP are victims of a crime. It must be proven with supporting evidence that W was, in fact, murdered. Unless and until such evidence comes to light, my position remains the same: the only confirmed victims at this point are W and his sister.

 

[SouthAussie]

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implicate = to show that someone is involved in a crime or partly responsible for something bad that has happened (Link)


10 Dec 2024 (UBM)

The inquest also censored more than 150 pages of Detective Chief Inspector Laidlaw’s statement, which was obtained by news.com.au, because those sections contain “opinions” not “proper fact-finding”, according to the senior lawyer assisting the inquest.

“Several individuals (were) nominated as high-risk persons of interest,” Det-Chief Inspector Laidlaw said.
“No evidence has emerged to indicate that any of these individuals were implicated or possess knowledge of William’s disappearance”.

Major development in William Tyrell inquiry

The Deputy State Coroner has made a major announcement at the inquest into William Tyrell’s disappearance.

thenightly.com.au

 

[Chrissy74]

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implicate = to show that someone is involved in a crime or partly responsible for something bad that has happened (Link)


10 Dec 2024 (UBM)

The inquest also censored more than 150 pages of Detective Chief Inspector Laidlaw’s statement, which was obtained by news.com.au, because those sections contain “opinions” not “proper fact-finding”, according to the senior lawyer assisting the inquest.

“Several individuals (were) nominated as high-risk persons of interest,” Det-Chief Inspector Laidlaw said.
“No evidence has emerged to indicate that any of these individuals were implicated or possess knowledge of William’s disappearance”.

Major development in William Tyrell inquiry

The Deputy State Coroner has made a major announcement at the inquest into William Tyrell’s disappearance.

thenightly.com.au

Do you mean “high risk” offenders?

There are “persons or interest” and there are “suspects”. Makes sense to use the term high risk persons of interest in the context of a missing person such as a child but I’ve never heard the term “high risk persons of interest” in the context of a person being investigated by police. it’s pretty clear to me that Detective Laidlaw is referring to persons of interest such as FA and BS as “high risk offenders” and that there’s no evidence implicating their involvement or knowledge in Ws disappearance.

 

[marv hucker]

Was it murder or misadventure? From my understanding the coroner has yet to release her findings.

But to answer your question if “I believe families of those murdered are also victims of crime?”
Of course I do, and there are many legitimate families who are victims of such crimes and are, by law, entitled to some form of compensation. However, you can’t simply assume that W was murdered and therefore that the FP are victims of a crime. It must be proven with supporting evidence that W was, in fact, murdered. Unless and until such evidence comes to light, my position remains the same: the only confirmed victims at this point are W and his sister.

I believe that he has been murdered, yes. Whether evidence comes to light or not, he’s gone.

 

[Chrissy74]

I believe that he has been murdered, yes. Whether evidence comes to light or not, he’s gone.

Well, If W was pushed over the balcony or suffered a fatal head injury or any fatal injury as the result of abuse or neglect Id say he was most likely murdered too.
Little W never bonded with the fm and children are very perceptive, even as young as 3yo and can sense when a parent/carer is not displaying unconditional love and affection. Murder is definitely a possibility IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

"It’s beyond argument that no forensic evidence has been located at 48 Benaroon Drive or anywhere else that provides a clue to William’s disappearance.”

“It was an extremely thorough search,” Professor Olley said.

“A police officer’s belief may be right or wrong,” Mr Craddock told the court during opening submissions on Monday.

“What arises from the evidence is that there was nothing haphazard about the search for William, it was methodical and thorough,” Mr Craddock said.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-william-tyrrell-balcony-fall-theory-as-toddler-missing-10-years-on/news-story/5b24b4947725124b52499f9bdce121a7

 

[Chrissy74]

"It’s beyond argument that no forensic evidence has been located at 48 Benaroon Drive or anywhere else that provides a clue to William’s disappearance.”

“It was an extremely thorough search,” Professor Olley said.

“A police officer’s belief may be right or wrong,” Mr Craddock told the court during opening submissions on Monday.

“What arises from the evidence is that there was nothing haphazard about the search for William, it was methodical and thorough,” Mr Craddock said.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-william-tyrrell-balcony-fall-theory-as-toddler-missing-10-years-on/news-story/5b24b4947725124b52499f9bdce121a7

<modsnip: Stating information as fact with no linked source to substantiate> I find it difficult to believe that Detective Laidlaw came to his conclusions based purely on speculation and a personal theory. Ws file was handed over to the DPP in June 2023 for consideration of possible charges for “perverting the course of justice and interference with a corpse”, Is it possible Ws scent was detected by cadaver dogs at the fgm home during the search in 2021? Something must have alerted police to those targeted areas. Out of all the areas in and around the fgm home, investigators narrowed in on 1 or 2 specific areas. Why those areas and not the backyard where W was playing?

“It's highly likely that we, if we found something it would be a body. We are looking for the remains of WT, there’s no doubt about it”

We know Ws body was never found during the search so the detection of Ws scent wouldn’t be considered as evidence anyway. At least not in the coroner’s findings

 

[SouthAussie]

"Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan .... told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him that day", despite confirming they had handed a brief of evidence against his foster mother to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Detective Sergeant Lonergan confirmed police had asked the DPP to consider laying charges against the foster mother of interfering with a corpse and perverting the course of justice.

The court heard those potential charges were based on "one of the possibilities" that William's foster mother disposed of his body after he died in an accident.

No charges have ever been made in connection to William's disappearance."

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drsleuth]

Well, If W was pushed over the balcony or suffered a fatal head injury or any fatal injury as the result of abuse or neglect Id say he was most likely murdered too.
Little W never bonded with the fm and children are very perceptive, even as young as 3yo and can sense when a parent/carer is not displaying unconditional love and affection. Murder is definitely a possibility IMO

That's not what SFR & the NSW CC think.

Det Serg Jammieson said to The FFC ( when serving the summons for the NSW CC hearing ) " We are not saying you hurt him"

Det Serg Lonergan than says " We know how it happened, why it happened & where he is"

Than at the start of the FFC's evidence at the NSW CC it was said that" The primary object was to recover William. We ALL accept you loved William have not intentionally done him harm"

That's means they don't think he was murdered!

 

[Chrissy74]

"Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan .... told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him that day", despite confirming they had handed a brief of evidence against his foster mother to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Detective Sergeant Lonergan confirmed police had asked the DPP to consider laying charges against the foster mother of interfering with a corpse and perverting the course of justice.

The court heard those potential charges were based on "one of the possibilities" that William's foster mother disposed of his body after he died in an accident.

No charges have ever been made in connection to William's disappearance."

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

The court heard she was asked during that hearing whether she found Ws body "in the foliage under the verandah". The question referred to a specific location of the house.” In the foliage under the veranda.” . That’s not to say W fell from the balcony however that’s one possibilit. Either way Sounds to me like that’s the area where Ws scent was detected.

 

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[marv hucker]

The court heard she was asked during that hearing whether she found Ws body "in the foliage under the verandah". The question referred to a specific location of the house.” In the foliage under the veranda.” . That’s not to say W fell from the balcony however that’s one possibilit. Either way Sounds to me like that’s the area where Ws scent was detected.

Are you suggesting that NSWPol have some evidence that they haven’t acted on?

What would be their reasoning behind that?

 

[iiiii's]

The court heard she was asked during that hearing whether she found Ws body "in the foliage under the verandah". The question referred to a specific location of the house.” In the foliage under the veranda.” . That’s not to say W fell from the balcony however that’s one possibilit. Either way Sounds to me like that’s the area where Ws scent was detected.

From what I saw of the last tranche of the inquest, a theory had been formulated around the FFC, based upon her being a suspect that couldn't be cleared. The FFC according to the evidence, has no corroborated alibi for when WT disappeared. The most likely scenario needed to be investigated. That scenario was based on lots of different circumstantial evidence, many statements and covert recordings of telephone conversations and pictures that were entirely relevant to the balcony scenario. The NSWCC presentation to the inquest is under suppression. I can't cover the questioning of the NSWCC in regards to the FFC, however, every line of questioning after being presented with different evidence looked sound to me and dare I say it was a compelling theory (considering I had not really considered it before). Everything in the theory which has been broadly published is why they dug and searched where they did. There was evidence presented during the NSWCC that I had not heard before that compounded the conception of that theory and the suspicion of the suspect. MOO