Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[BoysTown]

William Tyrrell: Is This The Breakthrough We've Been Waiting For?

Podcast Episode · True Crime Conversations · 21/05/2025 · 1h 3m

podcasts.apple.com

Another interesting listen…

 

[Wexford]

Don't know I can't read it either .......

We can probably guess

 

[Detective Willy]

The Witness William Tyrrell podcast has gone downhill quickly, but it was starting from a low base after Season 1.

I have struggled to understand episodes 12, 13 and 14 and have to turn off quite often after hearing many very old people who “sort of heard something about Frank”. It is so vague its laughable.

At times it sounds like amateur hour and I must try to gather the strength and willpower to continue listening.

I have not been shocked or heard any new bombshells like the series advertises.

Here’s hoping it gets better but I doubt it.

 

[JBowie]

What is her awful feeling, Doc? It's paywalled unfortunately.

Paraphrased: That there will be no finding one way or another.

 

[drsleuth]

William Tyrrell: Is This The Breakthrough We've Been Waiting For?

Podcast Episode · True Crime Conversations · 21/05/2025 · 1h 3m

podcasts.apple.com

Another interesting listen…

Thanks for posting, I thought this was really good. The host asked some good questions.

 

[SouthAussie]

What is her awful feeling, Doc? It's paywalled unfortunately.

That there will be a limp open finding.

The article has inaccuracies in it. Eg: she neglects to mention that a 2nd review of the photos was ordered. Says Mr Craddock said it wasn't necessary. Maybe that was another day that she wasn't at the inquest.

We know it was ordered, and at least several other publications have said the times were then found to be accurate. (links way back in the threads)

She also says it is 560 km from Benaroon Drive, where William vanished, to Taree Courthouse. Google says it is about 55 km. Link

imo

 

[drsleuth]

The Witness William Tyrrell podcast has gone downhill quickly, but it was starting from a low base after Season 1.

I have struggled to understand episodes 12, 13 and 14 and have to turn off quite often after hearing many very old people who “sort of heard something about Frank”. It is so vague its laughable.

At times it sounds like amateur hour and I must try to gather the strength and willpower to continue listening.

I have not been shocked or heard any new bombshells like the series advertises.

Here’s hoping it gets better but I doubt it.

What is it that you are struggling to understand??

It's clear to me that alot of research has gone into looking at FA , from direct evidence heard at the inquest, from people who have known FA for decades.

I'm all for any investigative journalists who take the time to look into cold cases & who care about victims & their families. Hopefully NSWPF do too.

I guess it could be a just coincidence that FA is able to be placed in the same locations at the same time that women have turned up murdered I guess, wonder what the odds are on that??

Anyone know if GO is still alive???

 

[Detective Willy]

What is it that you are struggling to understand??

It's clear to me that alot of research has gone into looking at FA , from direct evidence heard at the inquest, from people who have known FA for decades.

I'm all for any investigative journalists who take the time to look into cold cases & who care about victims & their families. Hopefully NSWPF do too.

I guess it could be a just coincidence that FA is able to be placed in the same locations at the same time that women have turned up murdered I guess, wonder what the odds are on that??

Anyone know if GO is still alive???

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

He was nearly 80 years old when William disappeared and I don’t think he stealthed into Bennaroon Drive and out without being seen by anybody.

FM and neighbours must have all been having a sleep if this happened IMO.

I also don’t understand Gary Jubelins interest in him now when he would have been at the top of the list Jubelin should have already looked at when he was in charge of the Tyrrell investigation.

It seems like the journos are trying to divert away from the POI and at the end of every episode they prove zero. It’s all hot air.

 

[SouthAussie]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

He was nearly 80 years old when William disappeared and I don’t think he stealthed into Bennaroon Drive and out without being seen by anybody.

FM and neighbours must have all been having a sleep if this happened IMO.

I also don’t understand Gary Jubelins interest in him now when he would have been at the top of the list Jubelin should have already looked at when he was in charge of the Tyrrell investigation.

It seems like the journos are trying to divert away from the POI and at the end of every episode they prove zero. It’s all hot air.

Everything is not a conspiracy. imo

Dan was one of the first journalists to ever report about this case. He was first in Kendall on the day after William disappeared.

He (together with Greg Bearup) won an award for a fabulous article they did about this case, way back when. I can understand his interest in seeing what went wrong with the investigation, once he returned from London.

Dan also won a Walkley Award for his Bowraville podcast. He is not a novice at how to put together a good, balanced, and informative podcast.

imo

Senior writers Dan Box and Greg Bearup took out the feature writer of the year award for joint articles on William Tyrrell and the ice epidemic for The Weekend Australian Magazine.
Australian scoops News awards

Box later began a podcast about the murders that earned him a Walkley Award, part of a process that would see him go from (in his words) reporter to campaigner to witness in the trial of the man suspected of the murders.
Bowraville by Dan Box

 

[katydid23]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

Plenty of predators like both genders and a wide age range. Many predators use 'opportunity' as a main indicator. If a 3 yr old boy happens to be alone and vulnerable, then a 3 yr old boy it is.

 

[SouthAussie]

Plenty of predators like both genders and a wide age range. Many predators use 'opportunity' as a main indicator. If a 3 yr old boy happens to be alone and vulnerable, then a 3 yr old boy it is.

FA is currently in prison for assaulting a young boy and two young girls.

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/third-murder-victim-linked-to-william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-frank-abbott-according-to-inquest-evidence/news-story/1206f747e7e9357c6b73041b5fc9af07

 

[drsleuth]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

Well he is in jail for SA on 3 children after William went missing........

He was nearly 80 years old when William disappeared and I don’t think he stealthed into Bennaroon Drive and out without being seen by anybody.

I disagree

FM and neighbours must have all been having a sleep if this happened IMO.

I also don’t understand Gary Jubelins interest in him now when he would have been at the top of the list Jubelin should have already looked at when he was in charge of the Tyrrell investigation.

It seems like the journos are trying to divert away from the POI and at the end of every episode they prove zero. It’s all hot air.

Gary was looking at FA as well as others, including PS, than when he was no longer in the police , the focus did a complete shift to the FFC after a review in the middle of 2020

FA was a significant part of the inquest, so much so he was an interested party who represented himself.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

He was nearly 80 years old when William disappeared and I don’t think he stealthed into Bennaroon Drive and out without being seen by anybody.

FM and neighbours must have all been having a sleep if this happened IMO.

I also don’t understand Gary Jubelins interest in him now when he would have been at the top of the list Jubelin should have already looked at when he was in charge of the Tyrrell investigation.

It seems like the journos are trying to divert away from the POI and at the end of every episode they prove zero. It’s all hot air.

Dan is following the investigation and the inquest. The 2 people he spoke to about Helen Harrison and Margaret Cox already had given this evidence at Williams inquest. I was surprised that they were looking so hard at FA that they had people at the inquest giving evidence on suspected or possible victims of his. From there he spoke to family members and friends of unrelated cases. Jubelin also said that Abbott was still being looked at when he left the case.
Also Helen was 14 not 17.

 

[BoysTown]

I don’t understand the hate for Witness. I thought it was really well done. I learnt lots of new information.

 

[Detective Willy]

Tony Jones seems much more likely to me than Frank Abbott if a pedo did in fact abduct William? He has 90 criminal convictions and is 20 years younger than Abbott so I think he would be much higher on my list. A relative also placed him at a park nearby when William disappeared, a claim that Jones disputes but he has no alibi.

 

[BreakingNews]

DBM

 

[SouthAussie]

Tony Jones seems much more likely to me than Frank Abbott if a pedo did in fact abduct William? He has 90 criminal convictions and is 20 years younger than Abbott so I think he would be much higher on my list. A relative also placed him at a park nearby when William disappeared, a claim that Jones disputes but he has no alibi.

Maybe Tony Jones is one of the 10 or so POIs that Mick Fuller said they had drilled down to, while they were busy misleading the public that the FM was a 'sole person of interest'. Without clarifying that she was the sole person of interest in the Big Dig.

I think that the relative said that Tony said he had gone searching for scrap metal that morning, and came home mid-arvo drunk as a skunk. She didn't know where he went.


The former NSW Police Commissioner Michael Fuller has confirmed detectives were looking at multiple “persons of interest” in the William Tyrrell investigation at a time police and media were saying publicly the focus was on only one - the boy’s foster mother.
Mr Fuller said he had his last briefing on the case shortly before leaving the force in January 2022, when “they still had around 10 persons of interest that they were looking at”.

In the aftermath of the recent revelations, he confirmed that, “at some point late 2021, I received a briefing and there were still a number of persons of interest. I believe that was down to single figures though.”
Former cop boss says police had ‘multiple persons of interest’ in William Tyrrell investigation


Anthony "Tony" Jones told his then-wife Debbie Jones he was going to collect scrap metal with the couple's adult son the morning the little boy vanished, Ms Jones told the inquest.
The son that Mr Jones had said he would be with arrived at the family home about 11am.
"I asked Dwayne where his father was. He said how would he know.
"He hadn't seen him that day, said he didn't know anything about scrapping and hadn't seen his father at all,"

When Mr Jones returned home between 2 and 3pm, he told his wife he had been scrapping.
"He was drunk drunk, but he'd only had one beer, according to him," she said.
'Drunk' man lied about whereabouts on day William Tyrrell vanished: inquest told

 

[BoysTown]

Tony Jones seems much more likely to me than Frank Abbott if a pedo did in fact abduct William? He has 90 criminal convictions and is 20 years younger than Abbott so I think he would be much higher on my list. A relative also placed him at a park nearby when William disappeared, a claim that Jones disputes but he has no alibi.

I think it’s been discussed on here before that they could have done it together. They knew each other. All very bad people with the history to do it.

I guess we would all like to know how much they were investigated. Probably more in the early years…

Any idea when the inquest finding are due?

 

[Wexford]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

He was nearly 80 years old when William disappeared and I don’t think he stealthed into Bennaroon Drive and out without being seen by anybody.

FM and neighbours must have all been having a sleep if this happened IMO.

I also don’t understand Gary Jubelins interest in him now when he would have been at the top of the list Jubelin should have already looked at when he was in charge of the Tyrrell investigation.

It seems like the journos are trying to divert away from the POI and at the end of every episode they prove zero. It’s all hot air.

Margaret Cox was 38
Helen Harrison was 17 (some say 14 but she was 17)

He is in jail for SA of 3 children (2 boys and a girl) and acquitted of SA against an 8 year old girl.
Pastor helped paedophile get bail, William Tyrrell inquest told
It is unclear how old Buddy the dog was.

Inquest hears bestiality allegations involving person of interest in William Tyrrell case

A convicted paedophile who lived a short distance from where NSW toddler William Tyrrell went missing in 2014 is accused of bestiality, a court hears.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Chrissy74]

Maybe Tony Jones is one of the 10 or so POIs that Mick Fuller said they had drilled down to, while they were busy misleading the public that the FM was a 'sole person of interest'. Without clarifying that she was the sole person of interest in the Big Dig.

I think that the relative said that Tony said he had gone searching for scrap metal that morning, and came home mid-arvo drunk as a skunk. She didn't know where he went.


The former NSW Police Commissioner Michael Fuller has confirmed detectives were looking at multiple “persons of interest” in the William Tyrrell investigation at a time police and media were saying publicly the focus was on only one - the boy’s foster mother.
Mr Fuller said he had his last briefing on the case shortly before leaving the force in January 2022, when “they still had around 10 persons of interest that they were looking at”.

In the aftermath of the recent revelations, he confirmed that, “at some point late 2021, I received a briefing and there were still a number of persons of interest. I believe that was down to single figures though.”
Former cop boss says police had ‘multiple persons of interest’ in William Tyrrell investigation


Anthony "Tony" Jones told his then-wife Debbie Jones he was going to collect scrap metal with the couple's adult son the morning the little boy vanished, Ms Jones told the inquest.
The son that Mr Jones had said he would be with arrived at the family home about 11am.
"I asked Dwayne where his father was. He said how would he know.
"He hadn't seen him that day, said he didn't know anything about scrapping and hadn't seen his father at all,"

When Mr Jones returned home between 2 and 3pm, he told his wife he had been scrapping.
"He was drunk drunk, but he'd only had one beer, according to him," she said.
'Drunk' man lied about whereabouts on day William Tyrrell vanished: inquest told

During her walkthrough with detectives, the fgm described W as “bouncing out of his skull (an expression I’ve never heard before in my life), with happiness and joy for living,” adding that was the last time she saw him. A photo taken later that day when W went missing, shows a pair of FGM’s blue slippers positioned at the top of the two back steps leading to the backyard. In the final photos of W, FGM is seen wearing those same slippers, which raises questions. Why were they left there? It seems unlikely that she would have taken them off to go back inside, changed into outdoor shoes, and then returned outside. Could it be that she removed them at the top of the stairs after some time had passed—perhaps when deciding to “follow them down”? But that would mean she walked through the yard either bare foot or with socks on.
Personally I don’t like to wear my indoor slippers outside in the backyard and get them dirty, I much prefer to leave them inside when changing into more appropriate shoes.
Photographs create a permanent visual record of a scene, including the layout, objects, and their relationships, which can be invaluable in later analysis and reconstruction. I wonder how the placement of gramas slippers fit into the reconstruction of what happened that morning.

There are Certain words and expressions used in that context by the ff that I don’t think I will ever be able to erase from my memory.
Bouncing out of his skull (when describing a child at play)
Put him in the ground (referring to burying a parent)
Piece of rubbish on the road ( describing what an abductor is thinking when taking a child, that the child is a piece of trash).

IMO These are arguably among the most inappropriate and unnatural words to use given the context.