Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Wexford]

Happy Birthday William

 

[drsleuth]

Hard to believe William would be 14 today.

Happy birthday William where ever you are ............

 

[Reneemaree88]

Happy Birthday

 

[marv hucker]

As for informal statements that hold no merit or credibility, they’re informal for those reasons and It’s unreasonable to expect police to waste time and resources door-

literally their job.

Any witness statement will be informal until the police actually go and speak to the witness, on record, signed etc.

It’s a self fulfilling argument to dismiss statements as informal, witnesses can’t force police to do their job.

 

[marv hucker]

That’s a bold claim—to suggest the coroner was disinterested in Detective Laidlaw’s brief of evidence. I find it hard to believe that any coroner would disregard or dismiss a lead detective’s statement, even if parts of it are based on professional opinion. A redacted statement, especially in the context of a coroner’s inquiry, doesn’t automatically lose its value. It can still be considered relevant and potentially significant in an ongoing investigation.

Not the statement as such (I’m sure there were dozens, if not hundreds of written only submissions), but the coroner’s court actually making a change of schedule and (pointedly) stating why they weren’t interested in having him on the stand.

Unusual - and not a vote of confidence.

 

[SLouTh]

What’s GJ’s take on all of this,

GJ released this statement today ….

 

[JBowie]

GJ released this statement today ….

My guess is that the coroner will return an open finding. Given what we know it's hard to see her pointing the finger at any particular individual(s).

Yes, a public inquiry is needed but that requires politicians with the determination and political guts to put police processes under the public microscope.

IMO politicians never willingly do anything that doesn't have a payoff for them. Cases like this require a groundswell of public pressure to get them to act.

 

[Chrissy74]

Not the statement as such (I’m sure there were dozens, if not hundreds of written only submissions), but the coroner’s court actually making a change of schedule and (pointedly) stating why they weren’t interested in having him on the stand.

Unusual - and not a vote of confidence.

Same can be said for the 2 detectives before him.

GJ released this statement today ….

thanks Slouth

 

[BreakingNews]

Not the statement as such (I’m sure there were dozens, if not hundreds of written only submissions), but the coroner’s court actually making a change of schedule and (pointedly) stating why they weren’t interested in having him on the stand.

Unusual - and not a vote of confidence.

In the Colonial Court, if the judge has written submissions, which s/he believe to be credible, there is no reason to call a witness when nothing different is believed to be gained from it. The Coroner has different powers to that of a Supreme Court Trial.

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/former-william-tyrrell-cop-reveals-foster-mothers-heartbreaking-text/news-story/acd7a25e49a767c32c59624c77335c4d

There has been no evidence I have seen presented at this inquest into William’s disappearance that suggests the foster mother’s involvement.

I agree

 

[SouthAussie]

In the Colonial Court, if the judge has written submissions, which s/he believe to be credible, there is no reason to call a witness when nothing different is believed to be gained from it. The Coroner has different powers to that of a Supreme Court Trial.

I think the statement that is being spoken of is David Laidlaw's "statement of facts". Which was actually a statement of opinions. Which Mr Craddock said was not what they wanted, the Coroner is only interested in the facts of the case. She will make her own opinions (as her job entails).

The Coroner redacted all of the DCI's opinions, so now the whole "statement of facts" is basically a blank document - there were so few facts in it.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

GJ released this statement today ….

Quite emotional for William's Bio-Parents and his Foster Parents.

JMO - With Gary Jubelin being quite sure that the FM was not involved in William's disappearance, it would be good to read his evidenced based reasons for clearing the FM. E.g.:

Deciding on an abduction: Was this evidence based?
Any Red Flags regarding the FM?: What evidence did he use to clear her of any involvement?

 

[Chrissy74]

I think the statement that is being spoken of is David Laidlaw's "statement of facts". Which was actually a statement of opinions. Which Mr Craddock said was not what they wanted, the Coroner is only interested in the facts of the case. She will make her own opinions (as her job entails).

The Coroner redacted all of the DCI's opinions, so now the whole "statement of facts" is basically a blank document - there were so few facts in it.

imo

NSW Detective Chief Superintendent Darren Bennett announced late November 2021-
“We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation. In terms of both eliminating people or proving what happened to WT.”

We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation
This to me is a clear message that items relating to Ws disappearance were in fact discovered during the 2021 search, indicating that investigators had recovered several items deemed significant to the case.

In terms of both eliminating people
These findings were considered valuable for both excluding certain individuals from suspicion, referring to FA perhaps (he was never called to give evidence) potentially uncovering the circumstances surrounding Ws disappearance.

While police may lack sufficient evidence to formally establish the FP involvement, the material uncovered may still offer valuable insight into the events of that morning — insight the coroner is likely to weigh carefully as part of her findings.

With the FM remaining the primary — and indeed the sole — person of interest, none of the evidence uncovered throughout the investigation has, at this stage, been sufficient to rule her out. If she can’t be ruled out as a POI , then she remains subject to ongoing investigation

 

[BreakingNews]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/former-william-tyrrell-cop-reveals-foster-mothers-heartbreaking-text/news-story/acd7a25e49a767c32c59624c77335c4d

There has been no evidence I have seen presented at this inquest into William’s disappearance that suggests the foster mother’s involvement.

I agree

However, the Coroner would also receive many written submissions. So what we hear about in the inquest isn't the entire picture. Who knows what written submissions have been submitted. We wait

 

[drsleuth]

NSW Detective Chief Superintendent Darren Bennett announced late November 2021-
“We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation. In terms of both eliminating people or proving what happened to WT.”

We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation
This to me is a clear message that items relating to Ws disappearance were in fact discovered during the 2021 search, indicating that investigators had recovered several items deemed significant to the case.

In terms of both eliminating people
These findings were considered valuable for both excluding certain individuals from suspicion, referring to FA perhaps (he was never called to give evidence) potentially uncovering the circumstances surrounding Ws disappearance.

While police may lack sufficient evidence to formally establish the FP involvement, the material uncovered may still offer valuable insight into the events of that morning — insight the coroner is likely to weigh carefully as part of her findings.

With the FM remaining the primary — and indeed the sole — person of interest, none of the evidence uncovered throughout the investigation has, at this stage, been sufficient to rule her out. If she can’t be ruled out as a POI , then she remains subject to ongoing investigation

I'll add the link for you

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=930874017838252

BBM : Why was nothing of any forensic value presented to the coroner 3 years later from the 2021 search?? Certainly enough time for all testing to be completed IMO

“It’s beyond any argument now that William Tyrrell has not been found,” counsel assisting Gerard Craddock told the court on Monday

“It’s beyond argument that no forensic evidence has been located at 48 Benaroon Drive or anywhere else that provides a clue to William’s disappearance.”

Are SFR with holding evidence from the coroner??

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inside-the-forensic-search-for-william-tyrrell/news-story/eb5c071c9321baa4b1738ebfa186a44f

 

[drsleuth]

However, the Coroner would also receive many written submissions. So what we hear about in the inquest isn't the entire picture. Who knows what written submissions have been submitted. We wait

Yes we wait. I don't think the findings will be until the end of the year at least IMO

 

[Lemony]

Police have pretty wide discretion when it comes to deploying strategies — from what is said in media releases, right through to covert operations — to exert pressure on a person of interest. IMO, in the months prior to the big search, and during it, police were doing everything they could to exert psychological pressure on FM, hoping it would lead to something more."We're very happy with the items found...", even “something was seen being thrown from a car” or “dumped from a vehicle” are potentially just part of a police strategy.

 

[FromGermany1]

Police have pretty wide discretion when it comes to deploying strategies — from what is said in media releases, right through to covert operations — to exert pressure on a person of interest. IMO, in the months prior to the big search, and during it, police were doing everything they could to exert psychological pressure on FM, hoping it would lead to something more. Even “something was seen being thrown from a car” or “dumped from a vehicle” are potentially just part of a police strategy.

bbm
Do you think, they had this strategy already right at the beginning? As far as I remember, that "throwing something out of a car" was mentioned very early in 2014. Or do I remember wrong?

 

[Chrissy74]

Yes we wait. I don't think the findings will be until the end of the year at least IMO

I regard this statement with the same caution as his 2019 remark at the start of the inquest: ‘9:37 — this is a time of which we can be certain.’ We now know that wasn’t accurate — or at least, it wasn’t accurate at the time it was made.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...e/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

 

[Chrissy74]

I'll add the link for you

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=930874017838252

BBM : Why was nothing of any forensic value presented to the coroner 3 years later from the 2021 search?? Certainly enough time for all testing to be completed IMO

“It’s beyond any argument now that William Tyrrell has not been found,” counsel assisting Gerard Craddock told the court on Monday

“It’s beyond argument that no forensic evidence has been located at 48 Benaroon Drive or anywhere else that provides a clue to William’s disappearance.”

Are SFR with holding evidence from the coroner??

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inside-the-forensic-search-for-william-tyrrell/news-story/eb5c071c9321baa4b1738ebfa186a44f

I regard this statement with the same caution as his 2019 remark at the start of the inquest: ‘9:37 — this is a time of which we can be certain.’ We now know that wasn’t accurate — or at least, it wasn’t accurate at the time it was made.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...e/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131