AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

[Izzylizzy]

I watched Lauren’s lunch podcast on Hidden True Crime. She doesn’t think the guilt/innocence is cut and dried. She thinks too that the questions from the jurors were maybe doubting police. She doesn’t know of course. She just couldn’t come to a conclusion of what jurors are thinking now.

Doubting police because of their original interviews and self-defense conclusion?
Or doubting the police's current evidence in LVD's conspiracy trial?

 

[Izzylizzy]

A tragic reminder.

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October 7/8 2021

"The biggest question raised from the new Chandler police evidence is: Why did the department not immediately arrest Alex Cox or refer the case to the Maricopa County Attorney Office (MCAO) for charges or review, given the clear contradictions and red flags in his statements?

And if an arrest had been made earlier, would "JJ" and Tylee still be alive today?


It is a valid question, given the fact that the children went missing roughly two months later - and Alex Cox is believed to have helped Lori and Chad Daybell carry out the murder and burial of the children before he mysteriously died in December.

It is confounding as to why it took Chandler police nearly two years to refer a "Conspiracy to Commit Murder" charge to MCAO. On the scene, there was some clear skepticism from officers and detectives.

In the interview rooms, Lori and her brother, Alex Cox, also had vague and sometimes contradictory stories.

For instance, Alex Cox said he fired "a couple" shots. Then "more than one." Clearly confused, he also said he fired in self-defense and never gave his brother-in-law a warning before firing.

"I didn't say anything. He was coming at me. And I'm holding a gun," Cox told a detective. "You come at someone holding a gun, you gotta be ready for the repercussions."

When asked what happened after the shooting, Cox stalled and appeared to be searching his mind for his story."

cont

Chandler police interviews raise new questions about Charles Vallow murder

New interviews and documents show how Lori Daybell and Alex Cox lied to Chandler police in the hours after Charles Vallow was shot and killed.

www.abc15.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

'Day 6: Lori Daybell gets SLAMMED by judge for violating victim rights!'​

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[SteveS]

One problem with assessing this case as it progresses is that this forum knows so much that has had no appearance in this trial. The testimony in either of the Idaho trials doesn't mean anything in this one. For this jury, and its verdict, if it hasn't been said here, it didn't happen.

So while LVD's behavior after the shooting is odd or inexplicable, on its face, I'm not sure it has actually told us that she knew in advance, and planned in advance, that CV would get shot and killed.

Even if she wanted him gone, even if she was glad he was gone, even if she danced on his grave (so to speak) after it happened, it doesn't prove she had anything to do with him getting killed.

If we have seen anything IN THIS TRIAL'S TESTIMONY that shows LVD knew and somehow planned with AC, in advance, I've missed it. Of course the testimony isn't over yet, so maybe that's still ahead, but I'm still waiting for that smoking gun.

ETA -- While it's a necessary part of the state's case to prove, the idea that AC didn't act in self defense merely shows that AC was guilty. It wouldn't prove anything at all about LVD being a part of it imo.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Doubting police because of their original interviews and self-defense conclusion?
Or doubting the police's current evidence in LVD's conspiracy trial?

Not exactly either. Just doubting the way the prosecution is tying it together so far using police testimony. I’m sorry to be confusing.

 

[Megnut]

It tickles my soul to see the scenes of LVD's life pass before her eyes. On the big screen.

 

[Diddian]

One problem with assessing this case as it progresses is that this forum knows so much that has had no appearance in this trial. The testimony in either of the Idaho trials doesn't mean anything in this one. For this jury, and its verdict, if it hasn't been said here, it didn't happen.

So while LVD's behavior after the shooting is odd or inexplicable, on its face, I'm not sure it has actually told us that she knew in advance, and planned in advance, that CV would get shot and killed.

Even if she wanted him gone, even if she was glad he was gone, even if she danced on his grave (so to speak) after it happened, it doesn't prove she had anything to do with him getting killed.

If we have seen anything IN THIS TRIAL'S TESTIMONY that shows LVD knew and somehow planned with AC, in advance, I've missed it. Of course the testimony isn't over yet, so maybe that's still ahead, but I'm still waiting for that smoking gun.

I believe that is yet to come (based on claims made in State's opening statement).

 

[CHEL]

Was she in Walgreens barefoot? Ick

 

[Megnut]

She sure wasted no time before calling the mortuary.

 

[Moon1871]

Any time I start to worry that the jury will not stitch it all together I think about the video of Charles talking about her delusional state and how worried he is about HER. I think this is the poignant moment that will burn in his credibility with them. He is so earnest and so gentle. It just isn't the portrait that Lori has been trying to paint. The jury knows she has lied to them, and once they sense they are being manipulated, it is really difficult to see her in any other light.

I think this will be punctuated as the last item of evidence, as it is literally the voice of Charles. Or, at least, I hope so.

Me too. They MUST show that video, it’s so heart-breaking and will have a major impact on the jury.

 

[Megnut]

Lori thinks it's funny that CV was texting women.

She tried to introduce FH, tried to introduce CV sent someone $1000. State objected, relevance. Sustained.

IMO she should have left that alone. Goes to motive.

 

[Megnut]

Wow, Lori got three women's names out before the State objected. Sustained. Judge schooled her-- if CV went on dates is irrelevant to this case. (State asked for a sidebar -- LVD, smearing the victim.)

Lori is clueless.

She has shown the jury why she wanted to look at his phone. Why she might have suspected he was moving on..... add his insurance policy which she thought was in her name and she's looking quite involved.

Guilty.

JMO

 

[wnk]

Wow, Lori got three women's names out before the State objected. Sustained. Judge schooled her-- if CV went on dates is irrelevant to this case. (State asked for a sidebar -- LVD, smearing the victim.)

Lori is clueless.

She has shown the jury why she wanted to look at his phone. Why she might have suspected he was moving on..... add his insurance policy which she thought was in her name and she's looking quite involved.

Guilty.

JMO

Yeah, she is NOT doing herself any favors by harping on about the other women CV was seeing. Way to show the jury just how bitter, jealous, and vindictive you are, LVD.

 

[Megnut]

State's next witness is ill so testimony is done for today.

Will resume and run 10:30- 4:30 tomorrow and Thursday.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[Megnut]

Last witness' conclusion:

Either the shooting happened earlier than they were told or LVD was not there when it occurred. He sees no third option.

 

[Izzylizzy]

One problem with assessing this case as it progresses is that this forum knows so much that has had no appearance in this trial. The testimony in either of the Idaho trials doesn't mean anything in this one. For this jury, and its verdict, if it hasn't been said here, it didn't happen.

So while LVD's behavior after the shooting is odd or inexplicable, on its face, I'm not sure it has actually told us that she knew in advance, and planned in advance, that CV would get shot and killed.

Even if she wanted him gone, even if she was glad he was gone, even if she danced on his grave (so to speak) after it happened, it doesn't prove she had anything to do with him getting killed.

If we have seen anything IN THIS TRIAL'S TESTIMONY that shows LVD knew and somehow planned with AC, in advance, I've missed it. Of course the testimony isn't over yet, so maybe that's still ahead, but I'm still waiting for that smoking gun.

ETA -- While it's a necessary part of the state's case to prove, the idea that AC didn't act in self defense merely shows that AC was guilty. It wouldn't prove anything at all about LVD being a part of it imo.

She sure wasn't surprised that he was killed, not even touching on her having no reactions of sadness.

I think the timeline that was just presented to the jury will hold much water.

imo

 

[Love Never Fails]

She sure wasted no time before calling the mortuary.

I think she had to make the call for them to pick up his body. It was Chad who made the call on pricing and to get him cremated.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Last witness' conclusion:

Either the shooting happened earlier than they were told or LVD was not there when it occurred. He sees no third option.

IIRC:
Neither AC or LVD told detectives that they spoke by phone when LVD was in transit?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think she had to make the call for them to pick up his body. It was Chad who made the call on pricing and to get him cremated.

You can't make this you know what up.