AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

[Love Never Fails]

I will be surprised if the jury convicts Lori at this point. Maybe something will happen but so far, no.
And if I was a juror and I set her free, I would be HOT that I wasn’t presented with all the facts.

 

[Nikynoo]

I think Alex took the first shot. Charles wasn’t dying fast enough. I think Lori took the second shot, laughing all the while. I could see her laughing then telling Alex to stay until he died and then call police.

Perhaps, but I don’t think that scenario really fits, because there was not a lot of blood from Charles found at the scene. I think Charles died relatively quickly (within a couple of minutes max). I do agree that the second shot was used because the first didn’t cause instant death. If Tylee only heard one gunshot, that would mean neither Tylee or Lori were around for the second shot. Who knows? Lori does.

 

[Megnut]

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Accidentally, my asterisk.

They were always kin, protected from her contacting them directly. They shouldn't have been IN the stack.

Funny that probably only those three subpoeanas went out. Skinny stack.

 

[Megnut]

Next witness. Ariel Werther, LE.

I can't resist. He personifies nonchalance!

With a voice that could melt butter.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

I will be surprised if the jury convicts Lori at this point. Maybe something will happen but so far, no.
And if I was a juror and I set her free, I would be HOT that I wasn’t presented with all the facts.

I would agree if there was no proof that she planned it (the Nephi reference) and no physical evidence (second shot) speaking against self-defense.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

IMO the case was considered self-defense until the second bullet was found and the long delay in calling 911 was established.

Even at treating her as a witness, the interview was lackluster and half-hearted. Very little follow-up. For example, when LVD said CV texted her threats, she should have asked to look at them right then. Also very little follow-up on LVD's account of the shooting. LVD was very vague about who was where and what was said at any time. And of course nothing about why she would never give the phone back.

The story at face value doesn't add up at all even before the forensics.

And considering that CY says she thought LVD's demeanor was odd, she should have been more probing if only because of that. And even more so when she learned that LVD had driven away after the shooting and come back.

And when LVD asked her on the stand whether she was cooperative, she should have said it's not cooperative to lie. LVD was only cooperative on the surface, she didn't violently resist or anything.

 

[aafromaa]

I will be surprised if the jury convicts Lori at this point. Maybe something will happen but so far, no.
And if I was a juror and I set her free, I would be HOT that I wasn’t presented with all the facts.

I think so far it could depend on whether the jury believes the statements AC & LVD gave on the day it happened. But I think the state has shown that both are unreliable witnesses. So if the jury concludes AC & LVD were lying on that day, then I don’t think it is such a stretch for them to convict of the conspiracy based on the state showing AC was asked to spend the night before with his gun and that AC had previously stated he wished he could kill CV in LVD’s presence and she acted “nonchalantly” about that too just as she did the day of CV’s death.

I do wish they could have gotten texts between AC & LVD leading up to when they decided he would spend the night. I think they said something about them not being able to get them because they weren’t saved in the cloud so they don’t have the texts but do have record of calls between them or something. Can anyone shed any more light on any of that for me?

 

[indicolite22]

I think so far it could depend on whether the jury believes the statements AC & LVD gave on the day it happened. But I think the state has shown that both are unreliable witnesses. So if the jury concludes AC & LVD were lying on that day, then I don’t think it is such a stretch for them to convict of the conspiracy based on the state showing AC was asked to spend the night before with his gun and that AC had previously stated he wished he could kill CV in LVD’s presence and she acted “nonchalantly” about that too just as she did the day of CV’s death.

I do wish they could have gotten texts between AC & LVD leading up to when they decided he would spend the night. I think they said something about them not being able to get them because they weren’t saved in the cloud so they don’t have the texts but do have record of calls between them or something. Can anyone shed any more light on any of that for me?

Some texts were not saved because the co-conspirators were using burner phones. That is likely why Chad hasn't been Charged in Arizona.

 

[Diddian]

Some texts were not saved because the co-conspirators were using burner phones. That is likely why Chad hasn't been Charged in Arizona.

All those normal folks who commonly use burner phones, please hold up your hand.

IMO, when considered in combination with other evidence, inferences can be made.

 

[aafromaa]

How come no neighbors heard the gun shots? I get that they found no video from doorbell cams or anything but wouldn’t it be awesome if some neighbor could testify to the time of the shots or at least how close they were together? Or whether both were fired before the red car left the driveway? Maybe I have nosy neighbors but they notice every time a strange car is in my driveway and they are much farther away from my house. And when I shoot a snake or animal at least one of them will call to make sure I’m ok.

One would think others in the neighborhood were also getting ready to take kids to school and such. Was no one out in their yard heading to their car or having coffee on the porch or anything that morning? Were the homes so well insulated that a gun shot couldn’t be heard next door?

 

[CHEL]

dbm

 

[Megnut]

Lunch recess

A lot of set up with this witness. Tracking down video.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[lonetraveler]

I'm actually glad that LVD continues to testify about her demeanor. It's not normal and the jury is surely taking note.

She has forever ruined the word nonchalance for me though.

There's nothing normal about that woman.

 

[Tricia]

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[Tricia]

I'm getting a poll ready that will ask if you feel the state has proven conspiracy to commit murder to the jury in the Daybell case. I'll post it a bit later this afternoon.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Perhaps, but I don’t think that scenario really fits, because there was not a lot of blood from Charles found at the scene. I think Charles died relatively quickly (within a couple of minutes max). I do agree that the second shot was used because the first didn’t cause instant death. If Tylee only heard one gunshot, that would mean neither Tylee or Lori were around for the second shot. Who knows? Lori does.

I'm still trying to figure out how a bat hitting/slamming the floor sounds like a gun shot.

 

[Diddian]

If I'm a juror, having heard what has been presented so far, I am thinking to myself:

• LVD invites AC to stay the night knowing CV is to visit the next morning to pick JJ up for school,
• LVD initiates and sustains conflict (grabbing CV's phone and playing keep away from CV with it),
• the conflict draws LVD's teen daughter into the room where the conflict is occurring,
• the conflict escalates to the point that first a bat and later a gun is introduced into the conflict,
• LVD sees that AC has a gun and hears a shot fired by him from that gun,
• LVD leaves the scene of the shooting in the shooting victim's vehicle (and with his wallet and cellphone) with her 2 children-witnesses,
• before she knows if anyone is dead and/or seriously injured and in need of emergency medical treatment,
• before she knows whether the conflict continued in her absence, thus endangering either AC and CV,
• LVD makes phone call(s) to AC while away in that rental car, and
• LVD NEVER CALLS 911 for LE and emergency assistance for either Charles or Alex - not when her daughter comes into the room (thus endangering herself), not when her brother comes into the room with a gun (thus potentially seriously escalating the conflict), not when she hears a shot and allegedly goes outside, not when she departs the scene in a vehicle, not at any time when she is driving around or buying breakfast items at Burger King or flip flops at Walgreen's, not when she takes JJ into his school and likely speaks with others, not when she is driving back to the scene.
• Instead, AC calls 911 at the exact time that LVD arrives at JJ's school where witnesses can attest to LVD being present somewhere other than the room where CV died.
  
  
  And I am thinking this situation has multiple indicators of a set up and the only indicators of a self-defense situation are those coming out of the mouth of the defendant in contrast to the indicators of a set up.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Lunch recess

A lot of set up with this witness. Tracking down video.

I didn't know that LE knew within a day/two that LVD told LE a false timeline.

Before TR & JJ were reported missing and the death of AC were LVD and AC ever brought back in for another interview.
As far as I know both LVD/AC/TR were interviewed just once, yes?

 

[Tricia]

Here is the poll. Do you think the state has proven Lori Daybell conspired to kill Charles Vallow
CLICK HERE TO VOTE