AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

[Izzylizzy]

State's next witness is ill so testimony is done for today.

Will resume and run 10:30- 4:30 tomorrow and Thursday.

He was said on Fox 10 to be the lead guy.

 

[Nikynoo]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wow, Lori got three women's names out before the State objected. Sustained. Judge schooled her-- if CV went on dates is irrelevant to this case. (State asked for a sidebar -- LVD, smearing the victim.)

Lori is clueless.

She has shown the jury why she wanted to look at his phone. Why she might have suspected he was moving on..... add his insurance policy which she thought was in her name and she's looking quite involved.

Guilty.

JMO

If I were on the jury I'd say good for CV meeting new women.
Sometimes that's what it takes to leave a dangerous, toxic partner and break that co-dependency.
CV knew LVD was out of her mind.
imo

 

[Love Never Fails]

Lori has no problems getting slammed by the judge. She is getting testimony in and the jurors have heard it and you can’t unring the bell. The judge should have told them to disregard it but he didn’t. Also, what’s he gonna do, sanction her? Fine her? Lock her up? She has three life sentences in Idaho. This trial is a joke. I pray Brandon’s trial is much smother with real testimony. This one is so convoluted. The only way it came together was from some of the posts here at Websleuths (notably Megnut and Wnk)

 

[Izzylizzy]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

Curious if she still has it and if so who is the beneficiary (s).
Can you have life insurance if you're incarcerated and/or for life?

 

[aafromaa]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

That’s her justification for having AC stay the night with her when CV was coming to pick up JJ. She told someone - can’t remember who for sure but maybe MG - that CV & Adam were planning to kill her for her insurance and BB was in on it.

I don’t think she can get that in if she doesn’t testify unless her closing statement is allowed to bring in new info that did not come out at trial like her opening did. But that’s her spin - she didn’t have AC there to kill CV but to protect her from CV killing her and collecting the insurance.

 

[aafromaa]

Curious if she still has it and if so who is the beneficiary (s).
Can you have life insurance if you're incarcerated and/or for life?

No one would be paying the premium so it was likely cancelled before she was arrested the first time.

 

[LinasK]

That’s her justification for having AC stay the night with her when CV was coming to pick up JJ. She told someone - can’t remember who for sure but maybe MG - that CV & Adam were planning to kill her for her insurance and BB was in on it.

I don’t think she can get that in if she doesn’t testify unless her closing statement is allowed to bring in new info that did not come out at trial like her opening did. But that’s her spin - she didn’t have AC there to kill CV but to protect her from CV killing her and collecting the insurance.

I don't think that you are allowed to bring in new evidence in closing statements. It's supposed to be a summary. But yeah, she's gaslighting her true motive for killing him, by accusing him of wanting to kill her for the insurance.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Not exactly either. Just doubting the way the prosecution is tying it together so far using police testimony. I’m sorry to be confusing.

It is damn confusing especially when you have the defendant asking the detective who cleared her of any criminal charges in the death of her husband why she didn't arrest her?
Why she didn't ask her to see the threatening texts from her husband, on and on why didn't you.

I have no doubt in Treena Kays ability to give a clear and concise power point timeline in closing.

 

[iamshadow21]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

It's the thing she's angriest about.

It isn't a tactic sprung from any kind of logic, it's her fury driving her questioning.

She murdered Charles, and yet, he won. And she still hasn't got over that. It was meant to be her payday.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

Guess if there's a big life insurance policy, it automatically means someone might want you dead too. Prolly twice as much.

Remember she was askeerd of CV, that's why she had her bodyguard AC there, in case CV pulled anything. As if.

But we're supposed to believe victim LVD was afraid but thought it wise to provoke the mad man by taking his phone and then when things predictably escalated, took the phone. Didn't consider giving it back in the hopes it might calm the situation. Why didn't she go straight to the police to let them know she'd been threatened by baseball bat, that he brother and husband were locked in a fight and a gun went off?

Far more important to go to Walgreens for flip flops.

And return like a casual onlooker.

Not cool.

JMO

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

LVD only compounding her guilt by continuously asking about CV's dating life, defying multiple sustained objections.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Why does Lori keep
Mentioning the 2 million life insurance policy? What is she trying to spin here?

Good question @Nikynoo …. perhaps an attempt to try and show that they (LV and CV) were a reciprocal couple? And that they simply had these policies on each other, mutually? In other words, there was nothing amiss here in the defendant’s mind? But that is grasping as one cannot tell.

As others stated up thread….. the other interesting element to listen to was when LVD spoke with the insurance official and learned she was not the designated beneficiary on CV policy. And how she cagedly tried to glean more information. Which she was not entitled to receive.

One can only surmise that any other named contingent or other beneficiaries would have been on LVD’s next ‘dark’ list. And a good thing the insurance representative noted they could not provide details. And then IMO LVD really tried to turn on the ‘charms’ and ‘sympathy’ pleas in hopes to elicit details…… to no avail. IANAL. MOO

 

[Megnut]

I hope the State's witness is recovered enough to testify tomorrow.

I hope he can walk the jury through why LVD and AC weren't investigated initially and what changed, that brought LVD into focus. I think the jury needs to hear that, more even than what they heard today. Drive it home

Was she ever charged with fraud over the money collected for T and JJ?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Lori thinks it's funny that CV was texting women.

She tried to introduce FH, tried to introduce CV sent someone $1000. State objected, relevance. Sustained.

IMO she should have left that alone. Goes to motive.

During AC's testimony it was said by Ray that AC's last texts to CV that were never answered by him the morning he was killed were read at 12 pm something.
LVD had CV's phone, where was she around noon that day?

 

[indicolite22]

That’s her justification for having AC stay the night with her when CV was coming to pick up JJ. She told someone - can’t remember who for sure but maybe MG - that CV & Adam were planning to kill her for her insurance and BB was in on it.

I don’t think she can get that in if she doesn’t testify unless her closing statement is allowed to bring in new info that did not come out at trial like her opening did. But that’s her spin - she didn’t have AC there to kill CV but to protect her from CV killing her and collecting the insurance.

I think her father was familiar with her policy or even suggested it, so she will try to get him to testify.

 

[Megnut]

Can you imagine being someone who knew CV from that time frame? I'd be terrified to known LVD knew my name, incarcerated or not. She has talons. I'd be petrified she'd send a minion to do her  handi murderwork.

Today lacked fireworks but it was a baaaaaaad day of testimony for LVD.

She didn't do herself any favors testifying as she did.

And the delay in calling 911 while LVD carried on, as if she was creating an alibi of ordinary events really backfires on her, because she was aware CV had been shot.

She didn't reconcile her story into one cohesive tale. And by cohesive, I mean credible.

State is getting to the good stuff now.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

During AC's testimony it was said by Ray that AC's last texts to CV that were never answered by him the morning he was killed were read at 12 pm something.
LVD had CV's phone, where was she around noon that day?

Today's witness covered it. Iirc CV's phone and two of LVD's phones were basically in the same place, possibly the hotel where CV had been staying.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

During AC's testimony it was said by Ray that AC's last texts to CV that were never answered by him the morning he was killed were read at 12 pm something.
LVD had CV's phone, where was she around noon that day?

According to the timeline from location of Charles', Alex's, and Lori's phones - they were all three at the Chandler PD until around "the noon hour" when they were transported back to the area of the home where CV had been shot. Then from 1:42 to 2:07 pm they were in the area of Alex's house. Lori called Det. Ynclan at 2:07 pm. At 2:18 Lori called Valley of the Sun Mortuary. Charles' phone was returned to the area of the home where CV had been shot between 2:43 and 3:11 so LVD could hand over Charles' phone to detectives.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Adam Cox chats with Chandler Det. Nathan Moffatt days after Charles Vallow dies​

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