AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

[Jolynna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912927882659446984

So much for LVD's talk about how "evidence will show". LVD isn't presenting any "evidence".

 

[Jolynna]

DBM

 

[Izzylizzy]

2 PM

 

[Diddian]

If CV and AlexC were on the floor, in a life and death battle over the bat, how did anyone manage to hit the other one -- and in the back of the head, no less?

I would have liked for LVD and AlexC to be held to account on their improbable narratives. Show us, LVD, how CV chased you but didn't get off a single hit? Didn't break a mirror, overturn a chair? And all that time, no one said anything?

So. Not. Believable.

JMO

Agree. I'd also like to know if CV stood twiddling his thumbs for the length of time AlexC took to allegedly retreat to the bedroom to allegedly retrieve his loaded gun and then allegedly come back out to the large open room where he shot CV.

"Break!" - twiddle, twiddle, twiddle - "now, ACTION!"

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

The court feed has begun.

 

[Diddian]

Say wha?

AC said he doesn't know and he "assumed" CV hit him in the back of the head with the bat.
Was this brought out at trial?

@1:48:10

So many lies.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Interested to hear LVD's input on the jury instructions.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Say wha?

AC said he doesn't know and he "assumed" CV hit him in the back of the head with the bat.
Was this brought out at trial?

@1:48:10

No, they did not admit any of his statements to LE.

 

[Megnut]

Another feed

Moving through instructions smoothly.

 

[indicolite22]

Not charging in my mind but a red flag. Something like, "Hey, something might be off here." We have seen plenty of other cases that gave LE cause for suspicion and lead to closer scrutiny. JJ and Tylee were killed within months. They might be alive if this team had been more inquisitive. Or, at the very least, Alex would have known he was on the radar and maybe he would have not killed them.

IMO LE did learn it wasn't self-defense early enough to prevent other murders. That they didn't arrest Alex on the first day is not as important. But why didn't they see him as a threat later on?

 

[Megnut]

Agree. I'd also like to know if CV stood twiddling his thumbs for the length of time AlexC took to allegedly retreat to the bedroom to allegedly retrieve his loaded gun and then allegedly come back out to the large open room where he shot CV.

"Break!" - twiddle, twiddle, twiddle - "now, ACTION!"

And why would CV stay???? If he got control of the bat and AlexC has retreated, why would CV stick around? Wait to see what AlexC was going to do? Makes. No. Sense.

Shoots credibility in the foot.

I wonder what did happen that day. We know that AlexC and LVD were in deadly cahoots but I would like to know just exactly what they planned and how it played out. If only a phone had been recording... but CV didn't even get a chance to do that. Ambushed.

jmo

 

[indicolite22]

Can't help but to wonder if LVD sent threatening messages to herself from an account CV forgot he even had, but then, it was likely a complete falsehood.

Besides wanting to save his marriage and believing LVD was fixable (she's not), it's clear that he was deeply invested in the children and their well-being.

That he would raise a bat to T, find me another prison who thinks that's even kind of credible. CD doesn't count.

CV was trying to shield the children from LVD, he had no way to know how deadly she was willing to go.

JMO

In her post-murder interview, she mentioned receiving threats, but in court she insinuated that Charles sent her a daily message expressing his devotion to her, while also trying to date multiple other women. If he was done with her and was a threat to her, why would he flatter her?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

And why would CV stay???? If he got control of the bat and AlexC has retreated, why would CV stick around? Wait to see what AlexC was going to do? Makes. No. Sense.

Shoots credibility in the foot.

I wonder what did happen that day. We know that AlexC and LVD were in deadly cahoots but I would like to know just exactly what they planned and how it played out. If only a phone had been recording... but CV didn't even get a chance to do that. Ambushed.

jmo

And if she knew he was planning to record her, there would be no reason for her to think he would be planning something violent.

That could be why she took his phone, if she really did. So he doesn't record her crime.

 

[Diddian]

In her post-murder interview, she mentioned receiving threats, but in court she insinuated that Charles sent her a daily message expressing his devotion to her, while also trying to date multiple other women. If he was done with her and was a threat to her, why would he flatter her?

It's Lori and she lies and twists and distorts things to make herself look good and others look bad.

So, first I'd want a definition of what a "threat" is. For example, if Charles told Lori he was going to expose her lies, odd beliefs, and secrets contrary to LDS doctrine and her cheating with Chad to her family or to her bishop, that is not a threat that suggests he could be physically dangerous or menacing. I'd also argue that it is not coercive control as it is done to "correct the record" about things she is saying or doing that are harmful to CV, potentially the children, the church and some of its members, and to Lori herself.

I'd want independent verification that CV was sending Lori daily messages of devotion to her in the days/weeks immediately before they shot him as I expect she isn't being honest about whether that was still happening by the time he'd decided he was done with her and moving on.

 

[Megnut]

This is really bizarre.

It's the State's case. The State's case is that LVD conspired with AlexC to murder CV. And they did so by planning it, then executing it that morning.

LVD, who is charged with that crime, made up a different narrative that, at the time, LE "bought" but eventually abandoned in light of new information/evidence abd a fresh investigation. Because LVD's version did not happen. Geez, even AlexC was vague on the supposed precipitating event for which he responded in "self-defense".

But the jury instructions -- some of them go toward LVD's defunct narrative. For example, criminal trespass. How can CV trespass on a property HE leased (for LVD to live in)? He had every right to be there.

The jury gets to sorry this all out, I guess. But first, they have to decide if LVD's is believable because if they decide it's not, I mean honestly, are the jurors supposed to weigh whether... what? LVD was uninvolved and AlexC was acting in self-defense? And CV was kind enough, after tapping AlexC I'm the head with the bat, waiting politely for AlexC to return with a gun?

Maybe the State should have spent more time stressing how AlexC was not a victim acting in self-defense but rather a co-conspirator who participated in precipitating the violence, in which case the ONLY PERSON who could have acted in self-defense in this situation would have been CV.

Why did no one ever ask if AlexC had the right to use deadly force? Castle privilege? It wasn't even his home.

Even if we concede CV was threatening with the bat, AlexC retreated to safety (the room where he had a gun). What legal right did he have to confront CV at THAT point? None IMO. Fear for LVD's safety? JJ and T's safety? According to their version of events, they were outside. With a car. Were they afraid CV would throw a bat at the car? And it would hit them as they drove away?

I hope the jury doesnt get lost in the weeds.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Lori wants another speedy trial. Asking for May 11.

She is a piece of work.

 

[Diddian]

Lori wants another speedy trial. Asking for May 11.

She is a piece of work.

Revised date of Doomsday must be approaching.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Lori misinterpreting statute/code .... again. SIGH. Hats off to this Judge!

 

[Megnut]

Judge just buried her.

Given her existing sentences....

He set the end of this trial as June 30th.

I guess LVD can stay arguing for her speedy trial for after that date.

Dontcha just hate when the speed of your speedy trials is hampered by the number of trials you're facing?

 

[Megnut]

I need the State to drive this home in their closing:

You don't have to believe LVD version of what happened in the minutes before CV was shot.

Goes without saying but it needs to be said.

Jmo