AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #5

[wnk]

MB actually had some level of love for her children which is probably what LD, who had no lasting love for her own, leveraged against MB. If she turned, she'd lose her children. What MB didn't know is, successful in eliminating BB (and cashing in on his life insurance), how quickly LD would have labeled the children as dark, properly insured of course.

The group had already declared 2 of the Boudreaux children "dark" (from Annie's timeline), and MBP knew about it and (as of 7/26/19) was "taking it well." --

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7/20/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell speak in the most deplorable terms about Melani Boudreaux’s son, Blake—and indicate he is close to death (source):

Lori: What’s Blake’s percentage??

Lori: He drew three crosses on the wall in his bedroom. We just finished painting over them.

Lori: Like he was marking it for the dark side to find him.

Chad: Blake is at 7. I took my sword of light and sliced his aura vertically in several places. You should be able to now rip and burn it.

Chad: I also decreased his pain tolerance to 1 percent and greatly increased his pain. His desire to depart is at 80 percent.

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7/22/19 – 7/23/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell discuss via text an evil spirit named Elroy trying to attack him. She also references the Boudreaux son, Blake, who Lori, Melani, and Chad thought was evil. (He was estimated to be 3 or 4 at this time.) Chad also tells her about other evil spirits they needed to rid the world of (source).

Chad: There are 272 3s left, and none of them have occupied a body before. They are down to their last reserves. I’m glad I caught Elroy. I feel he was aiming to hide out and then get into JJ.

Lori: Good morning missing you. Didn’t sleep much. Need you to check jj. Weird stuff happened in the middle of the night. It’s like they distracted us with Blake.

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7/26/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell have a text exchange about JJ, Tylee, and Melani Boudreaux’s (now Pawlowski) older daughter, Brighton (source):

Chad: How are things at home?

Lori: She’s fine. Need you to check JJ. She said he was calm and he watched movies all day which he would never do. Missing you !!”

Chad: Missing you too! It is still JJ. I’m told she is lying about him being calm and watching movies.

Lori: Mel knew. She called me. She felt the real Brighton last night and knew she was different. She was told I didn’t want to tell her. She is taking well and knowing it is part of a big plan. She is amazing!

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7/29/19: Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have a text conversation about Melani Boudreaux’s two middle kids who they all had deemed dark (source):

Chad: One question: Do you want me to cause pain yet to those two 3s you’re riding with?

Lori: Probably hold off on them till we arrive. They will be mistake to deal with. But I’ll text you if they start acting up and we can zap them.

Lori: Miserable not mistake.

Chad: Sounds great. Yes, if they are going to act up, we’ll at least give them a reason to scream.

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8/7/19: Lori Vallow sends Chad Daybell a series of text messages where she asks him to pray God will take Tylee, JJ, and the two middle Boudreaux kids because she and Melani were tired of taking care of demons (source):

Lori: I love you. Taking Braxie home now. I’ll check on her.

Lori: She is asleep. She put a bunch of holes in the walls and doors. Definitely had demons helping her. Probably a thousand.

Lori: Mel wants us to come up there tomorrow, but I said next Thursday to Sunday. What do you think?

Lori: We are both so tired of taking care of demons. We are weary. Please ask the Lord to take them.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Yeah, CD and LD had to lead the 144,000 and so were too important to the fate of the world, they had no time nor need for children anymore. Kids were just in the way, and too expensive.

It is so shockingly hateful how they talked about everyone's children. TK should introduce those texts next time LD talks about how she's all about love.

 

[Megnut]

The group had already declared 2 of the Boudreaux children "dark" (from Annie's timeline), and MBP knew about it and (as of 7/26/19) was "taking it well." --

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7/20/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell speak in the most deplorable terms about Melani Boudreaux’s son, Blake—and indicate he is close to death (source):

Lori: What’s Blake’s percentage??

Lori: He drew three crosses on the wall in his bedroom. We just finished painting over them.

Lori: Like he was marking it for the dark side to find him.

Chad: Blake is at 7. I took my sword of light and sliced his aura vertically in several places. You should be able to now rip and burn it.

Chad: I also decreased his pain tolerance to 1 percent and greatly increased his pain. His desire to depart is at 80 percent.

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7/22/19 – 7/23/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell discuss via text an evil spirit named Elroy trying to attack him. She also references the Boudreaux son, Blake, who Lori, Melani, and Chad thought was evil. (He was estimated to be 3 or 4 at this time.) Chad also tells her about other evil spirits they needed to rid the world of (source).

Chad: There are 272 3s left, and none of them have occupied a body before. They are down to their last reserves. I’m glad I caught Elroy. I feel he was aiming to hide out and then get into JJ.

Lori: Good morning missing you. Didn’t sleep much. Need you to check jj. Weird stuff happened in the middle of the night. It’s like they distracted us with Blake.

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7/26/19: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell have a text exchange about JJ, Tylee, and Melani Boudreaux’s (now Pawlowski) older daughter, Brighton (source):

Chad: How are things at home?

Lori: She’s fine. Need you to check JJ. She said he was calm and he watched movies all day which he would never do. Missing you !!”

Chad: Missing you too! It is still JJ. I’m told she is lying about him being calm and watching movies.

Lori: Mel knew. She called me. She felt the real Brighton last night and knew she was different. She was told I didn’t want to tell her. She is taking well and knowing it is part of a big plan. She is amazing!

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7/29/19: Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have a text conversation about Melani Boudreaux’s two middle kids who they all had deemed dark (source):

Chad: One question: Do you want me to cause pain yet to those two 3s you’re riding with?

Lori: Probably hold off on them till we arrive. They will be mistake to deal with. But I’ll text you if they start acting up and we can zap them.

Lori: Miserable not mistake.

Chad: Sounds great. Yes, if they are going to act up, we’ll at least give them a reason to scream.

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8/7/19: Lori Vallow sends Chad Daybell a series of text messages where she asks him to pray God will take Tylee, JJ, and the two middle Boudreaux kids because she and Melani were tired of taking care of demons (source):

Lori: I love you. Taking Braxie home now. I’ll check on her.

Lori: She is asleep. She put a bunch of holes in the walls and doors. Definitely had demons helping her. Probably a thousand.

Lori: Mel wants us to come up there tomorrow, but I said next Thursday to Sunday. What do you think?

Lori: We are both so tired of taking care of demons. We are weary. Please ask the Lord to take them.

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???????

 

[aafromaa]

Didn't melani leave her children with Brandon for a time and move to be with lvd. Living there and not acknowledging the absence of JJ and Tylee and becoming more and more engrossed in that evil cult.

Not exactly, Wishbone. And I’m not defending MBP here and totally support BB’s right and decision to get those kids out of there not knowing what all was going on with LVD and MBP. But here’s the scoop…

MBP typically got the kids on Wednesdays but on 10/14 she text BB out of the blue that she was moving to ID and they needed to change their current custody arrangements - one would have the kids during the school year and the other summers and holidays. She didn’t say exactly when she was moving but it freaked out BB.

MBP had gone to the school early on Wed 10/16 to pick up her kids and learned that BB had not taken them to school that day and she could not find them. BB’s lawyer told him since the divorce was not final there wasn’t a permanent custody arrangement yet so if she wanted to take them out of state she could. In light of MBP’s connection to LVD, bizarre behavior since June, Charles’ death, and BB being shot at, BB decided not to allow her to move the out of state like that. He text Gilbert PD on 10/15 that he was not going to give her the kids the next day as he usually did on Wed.

The divorce was final the following week on 10/22 and BB informed Gilbert PD o 10/28 that he was taking the kids and moving to UT with his parents. Note he had apparently stayed with different friends in AZ since the shooting on 10/2.

MBP moved to Rexburg on 10/31 or 11/1 but did not leave her kids in AZ because BB had already taken them to ID. So she did not abandon her children.

And as for moving to Rexburg to be with LVD or observing much regarding the absence of Tylee & JJ, well….Yes she did move to ID but in reality she didn’t spend much time with LVD after she moved.

She did go visit in Sept and maybe even in Oct (I can’t remember) but was told that Tylee was doing her own thing with friends from BYU and that JJ was at camp or something. But don’t forget that she only moved on 11/1 and CD & LVD were married in Hawaii on 11/5 and when they returned they were visiting CD’s family & friends and such. And MBP was pretty busy herself - first moving in and then getting arrested for trespassing in UT in the first half of the month and then meeting IP and falling in love and getting married in the latter half of the month. And of course LVD & CD fled to Hawaii at Thanksgiving and only returned to Rexburg once LVD was arrested.

Did she repeat LVD’s lies about the kids being okay after the fact? Absolutely. But did she really spend enough time with LVD in Sept/Oct/Nov to realize they were missing at the time? I don’t think so.

BUT she & AC spent a lot of time together in Oct & Nov - I think because LVD had abandoned them both and they didn’t know what to do with themselves.

I think in deciding whether or not they can prove involvement in the conspiracy that the state has to look at her actions with AC including them asking MG to drive by BB’s home and see if she saw any signs of the kids after telling her that BB had been shot at and was trying to say AC did it. I think her actions after the shooting were bizarre including the visit to BB’s friends home in AZ in October as well as the interactions at his parents’ home in UT. Was it enough to be considered consciousness of guilt? Or was it a mother out of her mind because she didn’t know where her kids were? I don’t know.

She was involved with the cult “prayer” group while LVD was still in AZ and I do believe that involvement led her to make crazy accusations against BB and ruined her life. But did she know LVD & AC conspired to kill Charles? Did she know that they wanted to kill BB when they wanted his new address? Was she helping them do that? Or was she just a naive follower of her aunt and spiritual guru?

I haven’t seen her texts and phone calls but there may be more evidence of her involvement in some of that. If not, the state could have a very hard time proving she was part of that conspiracy if all they really have is she had to be the one to give LVD/AC BB’s address. It could be explained away to easily and create reasonable doubt for the jury.

 

[aafromaa]

Alex was not a good shot. Period. He needed a get-away driver as he was in the back of the Jeep. Melanie was that driver. She may feel repentance but she hasn’t paid for her crime. She needs to.
Her children have their dad and that’s much better than having Melanie full time with BB dead. She’s evil.

I’ll agree with you that AC was not a good shot but I have to disagree with you on MBP being the driver….
1) BB dropped off toddler to MBP after dropping off the other children at school and daycare. Where was the toddler if MBP was in the Jeep?
2) AC was parked over an hour waiting for BB to get home. A neighbor saw the jeep passing her house between 7:45 & 8am. Another neighbor saw the jeep parked at 8:40am and another at 8:48am. LE says AC was on his way to BB’s at 7:19am. MBP got the toddler from BB after he dropped off the other kids after leaving his house at 7:25am - so how did she get in the Jeep that was headed to BB’s 6 min before BB left his house with the kids?
3) Neighbor saw the driver’s seat pushed all the way to the steering wheel. Where would MBP have been? And if she was driving wouldn’t she be in the driver’s seat waiting to speed away?

 

[aafromaa]

They escaped together, moved her belongings next day and headed to Idaho together. Looked everywhere for her children, after all the kids had value on their heads. Two were already deemed to be zombies. Obvious to me.

Just to clarify…she did not move to ID the next day - she moved on 10/31 and 11/1 - that is the uHaul that left AZ on Halloween evening might not have made it to Rexburg until the wee hours of the morning on the 1st.

 

[aafromaa]

I imagined it differently.

BB guessed two people in the car because he was shot at from the back and then the vehicle sped off (iirc). How could a shooter vault into the driver's seat that fast? He couldn't. But BB didn't know the back seat was removed. So while AC might have had driver, it's possible he was the only occupant and that's why there wasn't a second attempt, AC had to make an executive decision -- shoot or drive. He picked drive.

Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

JMO

She didn’t have an alibi for the actual time of the shooting BUT BB was actually her alibi because there was no way that he handed off the toddler to her and she was already in the jeep with AC waiting at his house - remember that AC was there over an hour according to LE.

 

[aafromaa]

11:39 a.m. Treena Kay admits text messages between Brandon and Melani on Oct. 2. “Pulling up,” he sent. She responded, “Be there in a minute.”

11:38 a.m. Elementary kids were dropped off first. Brandon texted Melanie to let him know he was on the way to the park. His daughter got out of the car and went over to Melanie.

11:36 a.m. Brandon says the morning of Oct. 2, he woke each child up. He helped them get dressed, fed them breakfast. Two were in elementary school and another was in a pre-K. He took the kids to school. He met Melanie at a park to drop off the final child for her to take care of.

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Does anyone know what time the text to MBP about pulling up was?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Does anyone know what time the text to MBP about pulling up was?

They didn't show that text on the livestream when they mentioned it. But they should be presenting more phone data and location timelines later, since they still need to introduce LD'S and AC's phones' location data.

 

[Wishbone]

They escaped together, moved her belongings next day and headed to Idaho together. Looked everywhere for her children, after all the kids had value on their heads. Two were already deemed to be zombies. Obvious to me.

I don't see her as naive or anything like that. She is as evil as lvd. JMOO

 

[aafromaa]

I don't see her as naive or anything like that. She is as evil as lvd. JMOO

Many agree with you. I just haven’t made up my mind yet and while I cannot understand declaring your own children dark or being okay with their upcoming deaths I also don’t think everyone in Jonestown was evil. I just need more insight into MBP before I come to a conclusion and I think a jury would too.

 

[Seni]

Does BB have full custody of the children?

 

[LinasK]

The jury will also wonder why Lori isn't allowed to ask witnesses about her good character.

Has Tylee even been mentioned so far? Is the jury asking themselves why Lori needed two cars for herself in Idaho?

No, AFAIK Tylee has NOT been mentioned. Just "an incident" in Gilbert.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Many agree with you. I just haven’t made up my mind yet and while I cannot understand declaring your own children dark or being okay with their upcoming deaths I also don’t think everyone in Jonestown was evil. I just need more insight into MBP before I come to a conclusion and I think a jury would too.

I was 27 during Jonestown. Those people were murdered. They had rifles pointed at them and they were told to drink. In their minds maybe they thought they would survive the poison. The ones who were brave and said no were shot to death. There were some who tried to run and they were shot to death. By that day they realized Jim Jones was a devil and they were terrified.
The congressional delegation who flew there to investigate that same day were ambushed and shot to death.
Jim Jones and Lori have more in common with each other than she had with Chad.

 

[Wishbone]

Many agree with you. I just haven’t made up my mind yet and while I cannot understand declaring your own children dark or being okay with their upcoming deaths I also don’t think everyone in Jonestown was evil. I just need more insight into MBP before I come to a conclusion and I think a jury would too.

It's a shame she even shares custody of those children with BB. Going along with her children being labeled demons is insane. JMOO

 

[LinasK]

Lori spent a lot of the BB's cross trying to insinuate that Melani had proof that BB was gay, so as to say that it wasn't Lori who put the idea into Melani's head. She tried to bring up a certain fb video repeatedly, despite being told to stop several times. IIRC BB responded to one of those attempts, calling the supposed proof silly. I hate it how she was allowed to victimize him again, making claims about his marriage that would make him look like the bad guy who had a motive to retaliate against her.

All the prosecutor has to do is ask him on the stand if he's gay to dispel this trashing. He's a live witness who can and has testified unlike Alex Cox, Tylee, or even Melanie B.

 

[LinasK]

I was 27 during Jonestown. Those people were murdered. They had rifles pointed at them and they were told to drink. In their minds maybe they thought they would survive the poison. The ones who were brave and said no were shot to death. There were some who tried to run and they were shot to death. By that day they realized Jim Jones was a devil and they were terrified.
The congressional delegation who flew there to investigate that same day were ambushed and shot to death.
Jim Jones and Lori have more in common with each other than she had with Chad.

Actually, one survived. Former Congresswoman Jackie Speir (sp?) of CA was with Congressman Leo Ryan's delegation and survived the shooting. She's talked about it numerous times before.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Does BB have full custody of the children?

Half custody.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Actually, one survived. Former Congresswoman Jackie Speir (sp?) of CA was with Congressman Leo Ryan's delegation and survived the shooting. She's talked about it numerous times before.

I need to find that video. I sure didn’t know that. Thanks so much. I know that was traumatic. I grew up in Texas and it felt too close to home for me. I always say I do not understand being persuaded by a personality to do what he/she tells you. I’ve always had a voice inside me that told me to run.
His followers were mostly poor people. Some, I guess most, sold everything they had to leave CA with him and go with him.

 

[Love Never Fails]

All the prosecutor has to do is ask him on the stand if he's gay to dispel this trashing. He's a live witness who can and has testified unlike Alex Cox, Tylee, or even Melanie B.

He did say at the beginning that him being gay was a lie.