AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[Ms Suzanne]

It kind of looks like someone shot Mr Romans from outside near where the casings were found or some of the shots.Apparantly most of the casings were found in one area.The chest shots were at close range?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You'd be surprised how many people sit idly by when children are being abused; we read about it all the time. In fact there are 2 instances recently in this 'Crimes in the News' were people sat idly by and let it happen. It happens way too much.

We're not even sure of the child's mental compacity..

"Romero owned bows, arrows and other guns. He had bought his son hunting videos, Sauter said, in hopes that learning to handle a gun would teach the boy responsibility."

"Before the shootings, Sauter said, the boy had trouble with his homework. The Romeros had visited school and grounded him from watching television. Sauter wondered whether it was hard for the child to understand complex things."

"I don't think," Sauter said, "he has the ability to distinguish right from wrong."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...arizona-boy-killer23-2008nov23,0,243779.story

The father sure picked a helluva way to teach the boy responsibility. Give him some hunting videos to watch..

What happened to having chores? Maybe caring for his boxer puppy would have taught him some responsibility. According to his paternal grandparents and step mother the boy should have never been allowed a gun.

Safety videos are given to child who learn to hunt. It teaches them about gun safety and the proper way to handle and respect their weapons? How to shoot the game so that it does not suffer. What is wrong with a parent educating their children on anything they will be doing?

Since he walked his Boxer puppy, I do think they taught him that the dog was his and he must have the responsibility of taking care of it. I see nothing wrong in that. I taught my own children the same thing.

The Judge will decide if he is mentally age competent to assist in his defense, not Sauter.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Would it be possible the father was walking towards the boy with the belt in his hand and dropped it when he saw the boy with the gun?

ps- the stairs seem to be clean aside from the belt and shell casings; why not throw the belt in the rest of the clothes piles? Why leave it on the stairs for someone to trip over?

That makes no sense imo. The father was shot in the back and in the elbow.......not the front. I don't think he ever saw the person who killed him unless he was conscious enough when they stood close to him and fired the two shots to his head.

imo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The Judge will listen to everyones side with all the facts before he makes a decision on anything.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

There was a casing or two near this belt.What does that say to you?Was there a blood trail on the stairs or near his body of where Mr Romero was found?If there wasn't a blood trail he probably didn't move after he was shot.He was shot under the Jaw?This is deliberate and at close range?It looks like he might have been shot going up stairs in the back and in the elbow and fell where he was shot?Then shot at close range?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It kind of looks like someone shot Mr Romans from outside near where the casings were found or some of the shots.Apparently most of the casings were found in one area.The chest shots were at close range?

Even 24 feet is extremely close range for a .22 rifle that is always used for long range distances. .22 rifles are usually aim sighted in at a 150 yards. So as Tim got closer IMO, yes the shots to the chest were shot from a short distance between the shooter and Tim. Anywhere between 24 feet or near point blank range. Tim was in the straight sight of this shooter, facing in the shooters direction.

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Was that a bottle of booze on the kitchen counter in the photo? Hard to tell as it could be say cooking oil or something else.

What is on the table? Why are shells just laying on what appears to be the coffee table? Were the guns and ammo just left out all over the house?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I don't think he would go towards the person shooting at him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There was a casing or two near this belt.What does that say to you?Was there a blood trail on the stairs or near his body of where Mr Romero was found?If there wasn't a blood trail he probably didn't move after he was shot.He was shot under the Jaw?This is deliberate and at close range?It looks like he might have been shot going up stairs in the back and in the elbow and fell where he was shot?Then shot at close range?

It says to me that these are the first two bullets fired. One to his back and one to his elbow as he walked up the stairs. He had to move...they said that his body was found on the second section of the stairway by a hallway, didn't they? The photo of the two casings seems to be more at the bottom level. He had a lot of clothing on so there may not have been a lot of blood spilling from the hit to the elbow and to his back. Even the officers didn't know that he had been hit in the back and they didn't mention seeing the elbow wound either. Just the horrible aftermath from the head shots.

imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Was that a bottle of booze on the kitchen counter in the photo? Hard to tell as it could be say cooking oil or something else.

What is on the table? Why are shells just laying on what appears to be the coffee table? Were the guns and ammo just left out all over the house?

It looks all very convienient to me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think he would go towards the person shooting at him.

He could not see the person shooting at him. They had to be on the porch behind the bush by the front door where four of the casings were found.

Well it will show he did go that way, suzanne. All the evidence already points to that imo. None of us can change what someone did when they were caught in the cross hairs of a shooter. If he had tried to retreat he would be just as much of a sitting duck as he was, to be plucked off.

Everything is consistent that he had frontal shots to the chest. His arm injury will also show where he was and how he was facing the shooter when hit and where the location was for both the shooter and Tim. IMO the head shots will be shots from close range and done while he was already incapacitated and dying on the front porch.

imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

It says to me that these are the first two bullets fired. One to his back and one to his elbow as he walked up the stairs. He had to move...they said that his body was found on the second section of the stairway by a hallway, didn't they? The photo of the two casings seems to be more at the bottom level. He had a lot of clothing on so there may not have been a lot of blood spilling from the hit to the elbow and to his back. Even the officers didn't know that he had been hit in the back and they didn't mention seeing the elbow wound either. Just the horrible aftermath from the head shots.

imoo

I just said this.Didn't know whether he moved or not.Then he was shot first at the bottom of the stairway near where the belt and casing was found.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

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Well it will show he did go that way, suzanne. All the evidence already points to that imo

We don't know this yet.We do not have the evidence back yet and everything was not made public.

I don't think he would keep walking in the line of fire.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Well,No matter how it all happened if they find there is any abuse at all to this little boy.He will probably walk.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well,No matter how it all happened if they find there is any abuse at all to this little boy.He will probably walk.

There is no proof of abuse

 

[Ms Suzanne]

We really do not know if there was abuse or not yet.I feel they might possibly find some kind of abuse to this little boy.I really hope he was not abused.

 

[chiperoni]

Someone requested obits and I found Tim Romans. I didn't realize he lived on the Apache San Pedro Tribal Reservation with his family before he moved in with mr. romero. His funeral was held at the church on the reservation. That could explain partially why so many people attended his funeral because Native Americans have a very strong sense of community and reverence for the dead. If he was living on the reservation, he was bound by tribal law. If this has already been published please forgive me for being redundant.



http://www.indianz.com/News/2008/011899.asp

 

[colette]

The dad had carhart overalls on, so he didn't take his belt off to hit the kid. Both men were completely clothed in their work clothes, they even had hard hats, goggles, or sunglasses on. They did not have time to drink or get drunk. They were ambushed when they got home.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am finding it very convenient all the casing were found right there near this little boys gun.

I thought the casings were found around where the bodies were located?

imoo

 

[azmama]

We really do not know if there was abuse or not yet.I feel they might possibly find some kind of abuse to this little boy.I really hope he was not abused.

I think the same thing, I have a 7 year old and an 11 year old boy there is absolutely no way either could plan something like this!

I never wish abuse on any child, but I also do not know what to make of having to believe he is guilty of planning this whole senario. In my mind, he can't.

You never know what goes on behind closed doors, in anyones home or private life.

Another poster said family would come forward if they know he was being abused, but if you just read the news every day, you know that is not true! People turn their heads the other way about abuse every day.