Babcock Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #3

[matou]

The Mob Reporter: WHAT THE JURY SAW: Laura Babcock Trial — “Homemade incinerator” | What was on Millard’s computers: 7

[video=youtube;_BHaIt7PANs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHaIt7PANs[/video]

 

[matou]

So if Marlena used the ipad, does that mean she was involved? I didn't think so.

 

[ABro]

So if Marlena used the ipad, does that mean she was involved? I didn't think so.

If she used it to write a rap about killing and incinerating someone, yes, that might point to her being involved.

But since she only used it to take duck face selfies, there's nothing to suggest she was involved.

And the fact that she used it also points to the ipad being in Smich's possession as opposed to Millard's.

 

[matou]

Millard called his phones Dell's Iphone. Dell's hard, etc. I doubt Mark would call the ipad Mark's ipad but that's JMO.

Also there is evidence against DM re the incinerator and him being at the hangar and picking up Laura, the last phone calls so BOTH have evidence against them.

 

[winter2017]

I agree that it only matters what the jury thinks and that was the same in the first trial. All kinds of people said that the crown never proved premeditation in the first trial and it would never be M1. They sounded like they had a lot more knowledge of trials etc, I said it would be M1. I never believed MS and his crazy story about the gun. I will say I was not sure if he shot Tim Bosma.
AM is just another MS and it is my opinion the only reason he did not go as far as to help in the murder was that DM did not offer to pay him enough or give him something like a car. I believe given the right price he would have helped DM murder both Laura and Tim Bosma.
He stalked Laura for DM. He is as low of a piece of scum as MS only just did not get the chance to help murder , but I believe personally he would have helped to murder.
They caught DM before AM could be convinced by DM to help in a murder.

 

[Kamille]

It really doesn't matter who named the iPad and who set it up. What matters is who used it. And there's been plenty of evidence so far that points at Smich and none that points at Millard.

Smich couldn't sync it on his own computer because he didn't have one.

Also, who says Smich didn't ever call himself Mark?

I'm sure LE and the Crown have this all figured out but I think we are trying to figure out who was sitting at DM's computer at 10:43am on July 4th hooking up that IPad based on conflicting cell ping information we have received to suggest that both DM and MS were "heading west" around this time.

MS had a lot of various nicknames for himself and many different email addresses and phone ID's but none of them have the name Mark in them. Pretty sure Iisho didn't name any of his devices "Matthew's phone" either.

Just trying to figure out who hooked up that Ipad to the computer. I think MM's testimony next week is going to be very enlightening.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

If she used it to write a rap about killing and incinerating someone, yes, that might point to her being involved.

But since she only used it to take duck face selfies, there's nothing to suggest she was involved.

And the fact that she used it also points to the ipad being in Smich's possession as opposed to Millard's.

He didn't write the rap about killing someone. The rap said he last saw her outside the home. Like, maybe alive when DM brought her back to the house. Then the day he wrote the rap she was laying on some ashy stone. In an incinerator.

:dunno:

 

[Kamille]

The blank spaces in the extraction report conversation between DM and CN that he asked about in court, are one emoticon but also print screens that CN sent to DM of a conversation she had with LB. Surprised that Falconer didn't pick up on that based on the ensuing conversation but he is retired so I'm not sure how up on text conversations he was when he was doing these reports.

So CN was sending DM copies of the things LB was saying about him. No wonder this escalated. In DM's psychotic mind, you don't betray him after all the "kindness" he shows you. It all seems to have started April 16th, 2012. And these conversations were taking place while he was away in Reno and she was at home feeling insecure. So he flew her in on April 22nd to see him.

[video=youtube;sZqr3U67goQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqr3U67goQ[/video]

 

[ABro]

I'm sure LE and the Crown have this all figured out but I think we are trying to figure out who was sitting at DM's computer at 10:43am on July 4th hooking up that IPad based on conflicting cell ping information we have received to suggest that both DM and MS were "heading west" around this time.

MS had a lot of various nicknames for himself and many different email addresses and phone ID's but none of them have the name Mark in them. Pretty sure Iisho didn't name any of his devices "Matthew's phone" either.

Just trying to figure out who hooked up that Ipad to the computer. I think MM's testimony next week is going to be very enlightening.

MOO

FWIW Iisho did have devices in his own name. I just happen to think it's pointless to say Smich would have never done this or Millard would have never done that. Either of them could have named that iPad. The data won't tell us who did. And unless a credible witness tells us, we're not going to know.

I also don't really understand why people get so tangled up in details like this.

The timing and location of the phone and text messages is definitely confusing, but will likely soon be clarified.

 

[ABro]

He didn't write the rap about killing someone. The rap said he last saw her outside the home. Like, maybe alive when DM brought her back to the house. Then the day he wrote the rap she was laying on some ashy stone. In an incinerator.

:dunno:

Whether or not that video is about killing a girl is up to the jury to decide. MY interpretation is that it is. You can choose to interpret it otherwise.

 

[ABro]

Millard called his phones Dell's Iphone. Dell's hard, etc. I doubt Mark would call the ipad Mark's ipad but that's JMO.

Also there is evidence against DM re the incinerator and him being at the hangar and picking up Laura, the last phone calls so BOTH have evidence against them.

I was saying that there was no evidence MIllard used the iPad. Obviously there's evidence Millard was involved in the murder.

 

[Claroon]

Didn't DM "roll the spliff"? And MS was asking him where he was, not the other way around? Apologies if I'm not recalling correctly.

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Yes, I think you are correct according to AC's tweet (I think another I'd read wasn't as concise. "It says the iPad was first connected to the computer on July 4, 2012, at 10:43 a.m. It comes after a text Millard sent to Smich saying "I rolled my first spliff."

 

[Claroon]

LB told people that she was going on a trip - for one week. She dropped off the grid on 4 July and by 14 July SL reported her missing. She was suppose to be back, and being away on a trip does not prevent anyone from using their fb, texting etc - something LB did not do in that 10 day period.

Imo Toronto Police let LB and her family/friends down - too busy doesn't fly imo. It was too late on 14 July of course to save LB, however a small effort to look for her would have shown she had disappeared from the life she knew up to the evening of 3 July 2012 and that something was very wrong.

DM left Canada for a trip many times - what would his parents and or LE have done if he didn't resurface 7 or more days after he was due back? The question is rhetorical btw.

I know how you feel, but just saying, I have a relative that went missing for 2 months.LE have rules about how they handle such especially with people "of no fixed address" which was LB pretty much. Someone has to file an official missing person's report. My relative's family weren't ready to do that so resorted to asking around and social media. btw this relative was found by chance staying at an out-of-town hotel. Even to get info from a hotel is hard since there is confidential rules. They didn't know DM was a criminal at that point.

 

[Yendys]

The Mob Reporter: What the Jury Saw: What was on Millard's computers- 6

[video=youtube;sZqr3U67goQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqr3U67goQ[/video]

At 0:35 in this video there is blacked out text between DM and MS - seems to be giving reason for staying an additional week - perhaps something derogatory about his father for making him stay.

 

[Kamille]

FWIW Iisho did have devices in his own name. I just happen to think it's pointless to say Smich would have never done this or Millard would have never done that. Either of them could have named that iPad. The data won't tell us who did. And unless a credible witness tells us, we're not going to know.

I also don't really understand why people get so tangled up in details like this.

The timing and location of the phone and text messages is definitely confusing, but will likely soon be clarified.

BBM

It's kind of the reason why we're here. Sleuthing is in the name of the board. :dunno:

 

[Kamille]

Whether or not that video is about killing a girl is up to the jury to decide. MY interpretation is that it is. You can choose to interpret it otherwise.

As I have.

 

[Kamille]

I was saying that there was no evidence MIllard used the iPad. Obviously there's evidence Millard was involved in the murder.

Why do we care who used the IPad after the murder? We care about who murdered her and took her IPad away from her. We've already seen and heard evidence in both trials that DM gave it to MS.

 

[paris_paris]

DM asked Andrew if he would be updating Facebook while over there (out west)
Keep updated where laura goes out to.

Seems AM was out west and just kept tabs on Laura on Facebook.

Side note... why does Websleuths keep logging me out? Frustrating!

 

[Woodland]

I know how you feel, but just saying, I have a relative that went missing for 2 months.LE have rules about how they handle such especially with people "of no fixed address" which was LB pretty much. Someone has to file an official missing person's report. My relative's family weren't ready to do that so resorted to asking around and social media. btw this relative was found by chance staying at an out-of-town hotel. Even to get info from a hotel is hard since there is confidential rules. They didn't know DM was a criminal at that point.

We'll have to agree to disagree on how long a vulnerable person should be off the grid before a 'busy' cop decides, on behalf of a police department, there might be a problem. 2 weeks? 2 months? 10 months?

What is TPS policy on accepting a missing persons report and making it official - then and now?

 

[Kamille]

DM asked Andrew if he would be updating Facebook while over there (out west)
Keep updated where laura goes out to.

Seems AM was out west and just kept tabs on Laura on Facebook.

Side note... why does Websleuths keep logging me out? Frustrating!

I've been meaning to ask about that. I guess there was no warrant for information to Facebook? Wondering if there were any conversations going on there as well as through texts. They all had a page. And it makes sense that AM would be conversing with people that way because he seemed to be the one who used his the most.


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