CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[Angelo]

Why did daughter JuM originally report that Mr. Harrod was last seen at 11:00 am the day of his disappearance and then sometime later she and/or her husband changed the time last seen until later during the day?

Sources:

Missing Persons report filed with police:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion

OC register article Oct 8, 2009
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Daughter JuM posted on a forum on July 28, 2009 at 1:50PM :

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.


JuM was saying the day after Mr. Harrod's disappearance that he went missing around 10am.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

 

[Cubby]

Here is what I don't understand...

Why is all of this time and effort and money being spent on lawyers and court cases and depositions and not finding Bob?

I mean, how far could an 81yo man be?

He is a PERSON and he is MISSING!!!!

I spent more time and effort trying to find my class ring than has been spent on actually LOOKING for Bob Harrod!


JMO, etc.

btw - I did find my ring after 25 years - don't wear it now because I have my wedding rings and Mother's ring which are so much more precious to me. I still put in the effort to find it!

I've considered the above, mikkismom, and I supposed if my father were missing and my sister and her husband couldn't get the timeline straight, I'd try to keep focus off that and on civil issues. Especially when my sister posted information indicating suspicions of foul play prior to law enforcement announcing they suspect foul play. If my dad were missing and I found myself in similiar circumstances.

Still praying those with knowledge about what really happened to Mr. Harrod the day of his disappearance come forward with that information.

 

[cloudajo]

Would this motivate the general public, media, or LE to search for Bob?

July 27, 2009 - 81 year old Bob Harrod went missing
August 2009 – Sampling of postings on the WWW by Bob’s 2 daughters


RB

• It seems the media is trying to draw him out by using the angle of Sympathy for Fontelle and also reminding him of his God, HIS money.
• POI has bilked our Mother's Blood money -- money D could certainly have spent to improve the conditions of Mom's care, but refused to.
• Don't think he would abandon his home in the long run. (ie: Home=$$$=God to him).
• Why wouldn't he take his friggen dirty $$$ with him, then we wouldn't think we were expected to properly manage things in his absence. Also, if he did this, it is cruel to Fontelle and unforgiveable!
• He pushed his family away and became even more secretive. We now know more about what his single-minded secret was that IMHO he was so ashamed of as to push family away. Definately NOT the same person we remember going to church when we were little, only to end up selling out to the devil IMHO.
• F was the only person who seemed to be able to pull him out of that cycle and back to beginning to act like a decent being human again.
• It's incredible what we learn about our parents later in life. If he didn't leave voluntarily, he may have set himself up by association with the wrong kind of people.
• D had to have been pretty desperate for something, to "loan" so much to POI. It was NOT in character for him to be charitable with $$$$, unless there was some profit in it for him.
• But we still want him to come back home for a chance to possibly redeem himself.
• Real Quick: D continued to "loan" POI money, even after he married F. What a snake (either D and/or POI)!
• POI insinuating that family (actual family) is involved. Jeesh! POI doesn't really know family and only had D's chronic lies to base her opinion on.
• BTW we checked the refrigerator freezer -- it was full of Banquet Dinners! (Yuk!)
• While D may have hidden money, he had OCD about his $$$. It was his God.
• No doubt in my mind, Dad probably "cashed out" his own life insurance policy, if one existed, before the date for Mom's memorial had even been set. The forms for Mom's life insurance policy could have been ready and waiting for her last breath too....IMHO That's exactly the kind of person the father WE KNOW is, as we have already tried to explain.

PB

• He does NOT have long-distance and was too cheap to pay for it.
• The POI did give him the cell phone, but he did NOT know how to answer it - chuckle.

 

[cloudajo]

Although RB was the author of the July 17, 2009 letter to Bob’s attorney with a copy to Bob, after reading it again and noting references to son-in-law JuM and other family members, I wonder what role daughter JeM had in all of this. I can’t link, but it’s my understanding from posts on another forum that daughter JeM is the one who contacted OC Social Services for the 2nd time before Bob went missing regarding suspected financial abuse.

Also, I wonder when daughter JeM found out that PB and RB were the successors of the trust? Was it at the heated family meeting the day before Bob went missing?

July 17, 2009 – RB’s letter to Bob’s attorney with a copy to Bob

[snipped]
This is to confirm our telephone conversation on the evening of July 10, 2009. I suggested that you may wish to protect your client, our father Robert M. Harrod, by reminding him of the California Probate Code, and advising that he is in violation of the code in his failure as trustee of the estate of our Mother, Georgia M. Harrod, to produce copies of documents requested by a beneficiary.

[snipped]
My earlier January attempt to coordinate preparation of a letter requesting these documents on behalf of all three sisters in agreement, resulted in our father contacting my brother-in-law and launching into a lengthy and totally uncalled-for angry tirade!

[snipped]
The entire family could have avoided a lot of unnecessary anger and speculation about possible incompetent or suspected improper handling of our Mother’s bypass trust.

[snipped]
Contrary to trustee speculation, I am only requesting copies of those documents that, as beneficiary, I am entitled to. I have no interest in your client’s own personal finances, unless our Mother’s wishes are being placed in jeopardy. The lack of documentation has caused much speculation by other family members along these lines, while I have tried to remain optimistic that all has been handled in accordance with the laws.

[snipped]
If the documents are not provided within 30 days of receipt of this letter without reasonable explanation, I will have no choice but to seek my own legal advise, at the personal expense of the trustee, per Probate Code.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8058947&postcount=752

 

[suzyq211]

Thanks Cloudajo, that about sums up what caused a 360' in my thinking...

 

[Cubby]

Thank you, cloudajo. I still cringe when reading what Bob's daughters had to say about their dad following his disappearance. Readers should decide for themselves what purpose posting that information had, as well as the reason for insisting the POI was the poi when LE had already publicly stated she was cleared via MSM and why nailing down the timeline for the day of Mr. Harrod's disappearance seems to have no relevence to Bob's daughters.

Decide for yourselves why some things are of great importance to the Harrod daughters and others seemingly are of no importance.

 

[believe09]

In their own words. Their own words for all of the world to see. Disgusting.

Poor Bob. Poor Fontelle. It wasnt just fate that conspired to part them more than once. That is abundantly clear to me.

 

[Angelo]

Why did daughter JuM originally report that Mr. Harrod was last seen at 11:00 am the day of his disappearance and then sometime later she and/or her husband changed the time last seen until later during the day?

Sources:

Missing Persons report filed with police:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion

OC register article Oct 8, 2009
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

The timeline changes from 11am to 1:30pm. Strange.

Quote:
Harrod was last seen by his son-in-law, Jeff Michaels, around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. Harrod, a former contract manager, sent Michaels to Home Depot, but when Michaels returned, Harrod was no longer in the house, said Loomis.

"His receipt showed that he paid for his items after 3 p.m.," Loomis said. "He thinks he was at Home Depot for 45 minutes to an hour, so given 15 minutes or so of driving time, you're looking at 1:30."

Later the timeline changes to JeM leaving for the Home Depot between 2:30 and 2:40.

Quote:
"Loomis said police will start looking today at surveillance tapes "to see if people close to him were where they said they were."


I wonder what the surveillance tapes showed. Did JeM spend only a few minutes at the Home Depot? Just enough time to get a receipt?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/harro...is-family.html
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[cloudajo]

I can't edit my post now, but I incorrectly said JuM when I meant JeM, and JeM when I meant JuM.

 

[believe09]

OK-we have their own scathing words in the weeks and months following the disappearance and we have what appears to be retro fitting of the timeline, even now. We see no media driven by Bob's immediate family until the some what strange reward offer that prevents family from collecting if they have information leading to the whereabouts of Bob...a reward offered more than two years after he disappeared.

The estate was front and center in the fight that occurred the night before his disappearance. We also see when we review RB's letter that this was her area of focus. I still wonder if it was big surprise to the bio family to find out that Bob was the beneficiary of the ByPass. All by himself, until his death. It was all his.

Well, thanks to his disappearance the bio family ended up with the money and the contents of the house anyway. We circle back again to who benefited here-Mrs Harrod receives a stipend of 3800 or so / month, The co conservators have access to a multi million dollar estate plus every last possession of Bob's except for the marital residence, and AH walks away from a huge debt owed to the trust.

Really, it is no contest.

Heading to the SAR thread to see if there are ways to determine where Bob is.

 

[Cubby]

Back to square one or day one so to speak...... Even before the trust issues made there way to court....... I'm still stuck on the 4-5 hour difference between daughter JuM's time her father was last seen and the receipt her husband provided law enforcement stating his paid for his purchase after 3 pm.

What could have possibly caused a 4-5 hour difference in the times provided by Bob's youngest daughter and her husband? Because whatever time Bob disappeared is the time he disappeared. It doesn't change days, weeks, months or years later. And it's puzzling after 3 years none of Bob's daughters, son in law or grandson are willing to clear that up.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Back to square one or day one so to speak...... Even before the trust issues made there way to court....... I'm still stuck on the 4-5 hour difference between daughter JuM's time her father was last seen and the receipt her husband provided law enforcement stating his paid for his purchase after 3 pm.

What could have possibly caused a 4-5 hour difference in the times provided by Bob's youngest daughter and her husband? Because whatever time Bob disappeared is the time he disappeared. It doesn't change days, weeks, months or years later. And it's puzzling after 3 years none of Bob's daughters, son in law or grandson are willing to clear that up.

I wonder if JuM spoke before she had detailed knowledge of what JeM's movements were that day.

If so, then the direction her various statements made would be away from the time period that is the crux of this case (whatever time that may be). Sort of "don't look at what my right hand is doing, look at this shiny, flashy thing in my left hand!"

 

[believe09]

I wonder if JuM spoke before she had detailed knowledge of what JeM's movements were that day.

If so, then the direction her various statements made would be away from the time period that is the crux of this case (whatever time that may be). Sort of "don't look at what my right hand is doing, look at this shiny, flashy thing in my left hand!"

maybe she is throwing her husband under the bus.

If she, or anyone else, picks a time that they know JeM was actually at the house well.....the wheels on the bus...

 

[Cubby]

I'd have to go back and look but it was hours and hours between the first reported time Bob was last time and the time a call was made for a well being check and then a call to Mrs. Harrod.

Hours. Hours and hours. It's really hard to imagine a scenario where JuM and JeM just forgot to discuss with each other what time he last saw her dad. Honey what time did you last see my dad? being omitted from the conversation between them in the hours leading up to calling LE for a well being check doesn't seem logical.

There is a reason an enormous discrepancy exists with the reported times Mr. Harrod was last seen given by his daughter and her husband. There is a reason that discrepancy has not been cleared up in the 38 months since Mr. Harrod's 'disappearance.

There is a reason why the coconservators want readers attention off the time line and off the events which occured while the son in law was at Mr. Harrods home the day he disappeared and onto other things.

Someone knows what really happened to Mr. Harrod on Monday July 27, 2009 and I get the feeling (jmo) that those with the knowledge of what really happened are purposely misleading LE and the investigation with regards to finding the answers to what really happened to Bob.

 

[suzyq211]

I'd have to go back and look but it was hours and hours between the first reported time Bob was last time and the time a call was made for a well being check and then a call to Mrs. Harrod.

Hours. Hours and hours. It's really hard to imagine a scenario where JuM and JeM just forgot to discuss with each other what time he last saw her dad. Honey what time did you last see my dad? being omitted from the conversation between them in the hours leading up to calling LE for a well being check doesn't seem logical.

There is a reason an enormous discrepancy exists with the reported times Mr. Harrod was last seen given by his daughter and her husband. There is a reason that discrepancy has not been cleared up in the 38 months since Mr. Harrod's 'disappearance.

There is a reason why the coconservators want readers attention off the time line and off the events which occured while the son and law was at Mr. Harrods home the day he disappeared and onto other things.

Someone knows what really happened to Mr. Harrod on Monday July 27, 2009 and I get the feeling (jmo) that those with the knowledge of what really happened are purposely misleading LE and the investigation into finding the answers to what really happened to Bob.

Yeah, and "Honey, you go on DTH and change the sheets, Im not gonna go because he never answered his phone." Right.

 

[GrainneDhu]

maybe she is throwing her husband under the bus.

If she, or anyone else, picks a time that they know JeM was actually at the house well.....the wheels on the bus...

If she were, I would think JeM would leave her. I think it would be obvious to him what she was doing.

 

[believe09]

If she were, I would think JeM would leave her. I think it would be obvious to him what she was doing.

I dont know my friend..the dynamics among them are unlike any I have encountered.

 

[believe09]

Here is what I don't understand...

Why is all of this time and effort and money being spent on lawyers and court cases and depositions and not finding Bob?

I mean, how far could an 81yo man be?

He is a PERSON and he is MISSING!!!!

I spent more time and effort trying to find my class ring than has been spent on actually LOOKING for Bob Harrod!


JMO, etc.

btw - I did find my ring after 25 years - don't wear it now because I have my wedding rings and Mother's ring which are so much more precious to me. I still put in the effort to find it!

:bow:

What if.

 

[zwiebel]

Hello,
Been following for ages but this is my first post after signing up. My Grandpa remarried a much, much younger woman at 90 years old! You can guess how it ended.....
Yup, that's right.
She loved, cherished and cared for him in the last years of his life, our family were (and are) eternally grateful, our new Grandma is a part of our family and always will be and if he hadn't left her all his money we'd have given it to her anyway!
And inbetween building two bathrooms from scratch and renovating a third, I've been having some thoughts about 'minor bathroom repairs'. I would have set them out now but I didn't want to bore you all to tears with my first post!

 

[Opie]

Welcome zweibel.
Always good to have another poster here following this sad case.