CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[Cubby]

https://ocapps.occourts.org/ProbPub...-00068771-PR-OP-LJC&src=case_src_dtl#top_page


Case Summary Case Number Title Filing Date Category Case Type
30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC HARROD-SAFEKEEPING WILL

04/01/2008 PROBATE OTHER PROBATE MATTER



Participants Results 1 - 1 of 1000000000000
Name Type Start Date End Date Current Attorney GEORGIA M HARROD DECEDENT 05/14/2008

 

[Cubby]

I'm not clear on why this is even an issue, but fwiw: Any waste generated from "small projects" could easily be tossed in the trash or recycle bins. Happens about every day around our home.

~jmo~

If Bob was disposed of in a dump with some waste generated from odd jobs, smalls projects, it would be nice to know where exactly those materials were discarded. It could help in locating Bob or evidence which might help find Bob.

What happened to the discarded materials and linens daughter JuM removed from the home are also part of information those with answers refuse to disclose.

Someone knows where Mr. Harrod is currently located, exactly what happened to him and how he got there.

 

[zwiebel]

If Bob was disposed of in a dump with some waste generated from odd jobs, smalls projects, it would be nice to know where exactly those materials were discarded. It could help in locating Bob or evidence which might help find Bob.

What happened to the discarded materials and linens daughter JuM removed from the home are also part of information those with answers refuse to disclose.

Someone knows where Mr. Harrod is currently located, exactly what happened to him and how he got there.

The thought of Bob just lying somewhere, alone, discarded is horrible. The last thoughts that must have gone through his mind......so sad, so terrible.

 

[shana]

This will probably sound odd, but I did a bit of research on end-of-life care (hospice/home care etc) because it seemed so unlikely that Mr. Harrod would not have had help from outside agencies, when Georgia was dying.

So I got to thinking about the initial trust, and that whole debacle- and the 'family meeting' the night before Mr. Harrod disappeared, where everyone apparently was in desperate need of Georgia's will. And then I got to thinking, well, some third party signed off as a witness to this will and/or trusts. And who was that person? Is it possible that witness was changed at some point?

I do not know the answer but it would not surprise me to learn that VNA had been called-in to assist in the end-of-life care of Georgia Harrod. Its services are funded by the patient's Medicare coverage.

A Declaration of Trust is typically signed by the Settlor(s) - also usually same persons as Trustee(s) - and such signatures are witnessed by a Notary Public. The Notary does not need to know the signators personally, and uses a form called California All-Purpose Acknowledgment (several examples in google search -> google docs).

~jmo~

 

[shana]

If Bob was disposed of in a dump with some waste generated from odd jobs, smalls projects, it would be nice to know where exactly those materials were discarded. It could help in locating Bob or evidence which might help find Bob.

What happened to the discarded materials and linens daughter JuM removed from the home are also part of information those with answers refuse to disclose.

Someone knows where Mr. Harrod is currently located, exactly what happened to him and how he got there.

Ah, now I see the road of speculation you are traveling. Thanks, Cubby!

~jmo~

 

[shana]

https://ocapps.occourts.org/ProbPub...-00068771-PR-OP-LJC&src=case_src_dtl#top_page


Case Summary Case Number Title Filing Date Category Case Type
30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC HARROD-SAFEKEEPING WILL

04/01/2008 PROBATE OTHER PROBATE MATTER



Participants Results 1 - 1 of 1000000000000
Name Type Start Date End Date Current Attorney GEORGIA M HARROD DECEDENT 05/14/2008

Yes, but tell me, do you find the Declaration of Trust in the docs at the OC Probate Court? I looked but did not, and it is my continuing belief that said Trust is private.

Thanks and tia!

~jmo~

 

[believe09]

Yes, but tell me, do you find the Declaration of Trust in the docs at the OC Probate Court? I looked but did not, and it is my continuing belief that said Trust is private.

Thanks and tia!

~jmo~

Did you get a chance to pull the other documents you were interested in, shana?

So you are saying that the trust is not filed for either probate case? That seems unlikely to me given that the foundation of all of the wrangling between both sides is the trust/trusts. How would either side have any information with which to base their assertions? :waitasec:

 

[Angelo]

One of our regulars will be able to give you an exact answer, I'm sure, but I think there were complaints by the daughters about the lack of proper care/money spent on their mother during her illness. So possibly services were not provided?
My answer's become a question. I'm hopeless. Sorry!

IIRC, the answer is yes though I am not sure what agency provided the services.

Some information about caretakers mentioned here.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/whittierdailynews/obituary.aspx?n=georgia-may-harrod&pid=106570728#

 

[believe09]

So just to review, to make sure I am caught up-

1.) We were running through CA Exiles posts and insight into his friendship with Bob.
2.) We were pondering who had keys to Carnation and why the back door needed to be left open by JeM if Bob was there when he left for one of his trips.
3.) We were discussing who fed Fontelle the phantom SUV story.
4.) We have just started delving into Georgia's sad death, and any end of life care issues that were raised by Bob's children after she died.

I for one am hoping that they didnt just sit back pointing fingers, but helped their father during what was undoubtedly a stressful and sad time. I am heartened that Georgia may have been cared for by the VNA-do you know for sure, shana, or is that a guess?

TIA.

 

[zwiebel]

This will probably sound odd, but I did a bit of research on end-of-life care (hospice/home care etc) because it seemed so unlikely that Mr. Harrod would not have had help from outside agencies, when Georgia was dying.

So I got to thinking about the initial trust, and that whole debacle- and the 'family meeting' the night before Mr. Harrod disappeared, where everyone apparently was in desperate need of Georgia's will. And then I got to thinking, well, some third party signed off as a witness to this will and/or trusts. And who was that person? Is it possible that witness was changed at some point?

Hope this is a little more helpful than my last attempt to answer your question.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/whittierdailynews/obituary.aspx?n=georgia-may-harrod&pid=106570728

 

[zwiebel]

Sigh. Behind everyone else again.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, but tell me, do you find the Declaration of Trust in the docs at the OC Probate Court? I looked but did not, and it is my continuing belief that said Trust is private.

Thanks and tia!

~jmo~

I'm a resident of Illinois, so no, I did not get to view any documents at the OC courthouse. Since you have and are local to OC, perhaps you can do the honors of obtaining and sharing such info? Or perhaps summarizing what you were able to view?

tia!

 

[Cubby]

The thought of Bob just lying somewhere, alone, discarded is horrible. The last thoughts that must have gone through his mind......so sad, so terrible.

...and the fear. The fear must have been horrifying. :sigh: :cry: Especially at the hands of someone Bob knew and trusted.

 

[zwiebel]

The obit has made me realize the entire Harrod family probably know Monrovia much better than Placentia. They are only twenty miles apart.

 

[Angelo]

If Bob was disposed of in a dump with some waste generated from odd jobs, smalls projects, it would be nice to know where exactly those materials were discarded. It could help in locating Bob or evidence which might help find Bob.

What happened to the discarded materials and linens daughter JuM removed from the home are also part of information those with answers refuse to disclose.

Someone knows where Mr. Harrod is currently located, exactly what happened to him and how he got there.

Agree Cubby!

I wonder what JeM told LE about the "home repairs" he was supposedly doing the day Mr. Harrod vanished. If he did I hope LE asked the CL if any of those "small projects" were really needed.

 

[shana]

Did you get a chance to pull the other documents you were interested in, shana?

So you are saying that the trust is not filed for either probate case? That seems unlikely to me given that the foundation of all of the wrangling between both sides is the trust/trusts. How would either side have any information with which to base their assertions? :waitasec:

No, I've not been to the O.C. Courthouse. That was primarily to be a follow-up visit to the one funded by paypal contributions which apparently did not pan-out.

Yes, I am saying that the Trust is not filed and certainly not for public consumption. The named beneficiaries have legal rights to the documents; in fact, it is the duty of the Trustee to provide them in a timely manner. (See above post from me re Benes' Bill of Rights and referencing the so-called 'poison pen letter').

Simply stated:

Wills = public
Trusts = private

~jmo~

 

[shana]

I'm a resident of Illinois, so no, I did not get to view any documents at the OC courthouse. Since you have and are local to OC, perhaps you can do the honors of obtaining and sharing such info? Or perhaps summarizing what you were able to view?

tia!

Hi Cubby! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant at the O.C. website for Probate Court docs as you had copied from in your post to which I had replied. I have not been to the O.C. Courthouse - there are two other counties between mine and O.C. and one of them is the rather large and sprawling L.A. County. I do have a business interest in O.C. but a trip there is not a hop & a skip for me.

Although I've not reviewed them lately, iirc the docs uploaded here appear to be third-party copies rather than official court copies. Perhaps whoever provided them has access to more. It would be nice - and fair - to have the complete picture (e.g. Responses to Objections, etc).

~jmo~

 

[shana]

ETA to my post above about VNA (too late to edit):

To my knowledge, VNA is the chief Hospice provider in So CA.

In my personal experience, the organization is wonderful and provides so many services to families in need. I've dealt with their personnel numerous times over the past years, decades even. My contacts were in two other counties, not Orange, but I'd expect the same from that local office as from the ones with which I've worked.

Sometimes, caregivers associated with VNA take-on private jobs apart from the organization itself...a lot of networking.

Also, thanks to posters who furnished the links to Georgia Harrod's obit.

I have no personal knowledge of what persons/orgs provided care to her or what the quality level was.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

Agree Cubby!

I wonder what JeM told LE about the "home repairs" he was supposedly doing the day Mr. Harrod vanished. If he did I hope LE asked the CL if any of those "small projects" were really needed.

I wonder if they were on a Honey Do List and without a Honey, they might not have been done at all! <g>

~jmo~

 

[Angelo]

I wonder if they were on a Honey Do List and without a Honey, they might not have been done at all! <g>

~jmo~

The CL, who was at the house on a regular basis, would be able to verify if any repairs that JeM claims to have done were really needed.

As far as we know, SIL never returned to Mr. Harrod's house after July 27, 2009. He even let his wife go to the house alone shortly after Mr. Harrod mysteriously vanished. We know SIL told family members he saw a vehicle in the neighborhood behaving strangely the morning of July 27, 2009, yet he allows his wife to return to the area without him.