CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[GrainneDhu]

OMGosh-I completely forgot about the line up.

The dementia comment made me sad. I mean this is a double edged sword for JuM-if Bob had been showing signs of this, they should be ashamed of themselves for not taking care of the well being check and searching for him themselves much much earlier. This would be an endangered elder-it would be just about abusive of them to have left him twisting in the wind for 10-12 hours before they got around to having PD meet them at the house.

Let's get back to the key thing-surely those who were physically closest to Bob had sets of keys to his house, right? They could have checked his home themselves, especially AH given his proximity. :banghead:

And even if they didn't have keys, get LE to break in!

If LE won't break in, do it yourself and beg for forgiveness once you were sure Bob was okay.

Don't just sit around and feed information to someone half a continent away via the telephone.

Good grief.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Julie and Jeff Michaels, contacted through Roberta Brady, would not comment for this story.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Thank you for re-posting that.

I'd read it before but this time a little detail suddenly poked up at me: JeM did not leave the house before the CL or with the CL, he left the house at some point after the CL was gone.

Maybe it's not important, maybe it is. I just hadn't noticed it before.

And, at risk of repeating something most people have already read:

Police have cleared the barber and her husband of any connection with the case.

I imagine it was probably pretty easy to do so, since Bob's disappearance took place during normal business hours. Most people have jobs that require their presence during normal business hours.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Of course at least one family member had keys. If Bob trusted neighbours enough, he would have trusted family enough too.
How did JuM get in next day?
Why did Fontelle have the locks changed?
Of course family had keys.

Why doesn't anyone know for certain though? Who is all this secrecy benefitting?

As for why Fontelle changed the locks, I think it's a logical move. It seems clear that Bob disappeared involuntarily from his own home. He had his keys and wallet with him. No matter who made him disappear, I would not feel comfortable thinking that person might have the keys to the house either because Bob gave that person a key at some point or because they may have taken it from Bob in the course of the crime.

I wouldn't even sleep there until I'd had the locksmith out, so I'm not surprised Fontelle did so. Just seems like common sense to me.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I suspect there is very little you'll hear or see from persons who refuse to cooperate with LE. It's been 3 plus years. If the last person to see Bob alive had no involvement, why would he still not clear up information that has him front and center? If he had no involvement, he would not leave such basic info unresolved. Unless, of course, he's sadistic and enjoys the torture he's putting his family through.

The pending Disappeared show airing seems to have some feathers ruffled. I'm really looking forward to the episode.

I'm still wondering if Home Depot now offers lunch.

It seems to me that Home Depots are often located in places that also attract fast food and family style restaurants. So if his lunch wasn't from Home Depot and hence on the receipt, I'd think he'd have a receipt for the lunch, too.

 

[cloudajo]

Julie and Jeff Michaels, contacted through Roberta Brady, would not comment for this story.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Posted by CA in July 2010. BBM.

I am sad that J stopped talking to me or returning my calls after last August. I thought she would keep me informed as to what is going on. I have been told they are not talking to any of the police or press about the case. I guess they just got burned out on it and don't want to discuss it any more. I don't know. He was my friend and I still will not let go. I will talk to anyone and everyone who will listen.

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[believe09]

Posted by CA in July 2010. BBM.

I am sad that J stopped talking to me or returning my calls after last August. I thought she would keep me informed as to what is going on. I have been told they are not talking to any of the police or press about the case. I guess they just got burned out on it and don't want to discuss it any more. I don't know. He was my friend and I still will not let go. I will talk to anyone and everyone who will listen.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #2

I think we have seen the same commitment from Mrs Harrod. Missing Persons 101 is to keep the public and the media engaged. Making sure no one forgets.

To my count we have one story generated by Bob's family regarding his disappearance-that reward two years after the fact that excludes family members from collecting. I am happy to be wrong if someone can correct this info.

 

[zwiebel]

SBM

I respectfully disagree, partially based on my own family history.

My parents had a cleaning lady who worked for them for over 30 years. She started shortly after the last sibling left the nest, which led to us teasing our mother that she had to hire help now that her slaves were gone (she laughed--she's English or rather, was, since she died last year).

As my parents got older, she also worked for my sister and acted as, well, a spy to make sure all was well with them. Because I can't remember a single time asking my mother or father how they were and getting any answer than "oh, fine, how are you?" We were all lucky in that both of my parents retained their faculties and were able to live independently with a little help from a weekly cleaning lady.

She also brought something baked each week. Pie, cake, a batch of cookies, enough so that they had several days' worth of homecooked desserts each week.

Anyway, she retired due to arthritis, she was only about 15 years younger than they were. It was a sad occasion.

My parents gave her a gift of $1000 per year she'd worked for them (and paid all the taxes on it, including gift tax, so that the actual amount she ended up with was equal to $1K per year). Sure, it was a big gift but they loved her and she loved them.

It didn't bother us kids that they gave her that gift. We all thought it was terrific and we were so grateful for all she'd done over the years.

I never thought she was wrong for accepting the gift. I think she understood that my parents wanted to be sure she could get something special or do something special for herself without dipping into her retirement savings for it.

This will sound awful but sometimes I wish she were no longer married because I'd be thrilled to pieces if my father would re-marry and she would be a great candidate. He's not suited to living alone and I am not able to travel to visit very often.

To quote many an involuntary single from my youth "why are all the good ones already taken?" Time saw all of them happily fixed up so I keep hoping the same will happen with my father.

I wish I lived closer so I could do some matchmaking on the spot. I can easily imagine myself trolling places where the over 80 set hangs out, looking for just the right woman, one with a generous spirit and a ready laugh. Long hair wouldn't hurt, either.

Is it normal to have fantasies about hooking your widowed father up?

I think gifts to a loyal, loving employee who's become one of the family are wonderful and generous - I guess it's the idea of a paid-for friendship I don't like.
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Then again, I'm breaking my first rule and not listening to Mr Harrod on this. He made it pretty clear he knew what he was doing and did not think he had been abused.

I really hope your father does find someone GrainneDhu. Don't give up wishing, it's never too late!

 

[zwiebel]

Posted by CA in July 2010. BBM.

I am sad that J stopped talking to me or returning my calls after last August. I thought she would keep me informed as to what is going on. I have been told they are not talking to any of the police or press about the case. I guess they just got burned out on it and don't want to discuss it any more. I don't know. He was my friend and I still will not let go. I will talk to anyone and everyone who will listen.

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If it's correct they stopped talking to police it really darkens things for me. I just cannot imagine any good reasons for doing that - only bad ones.

If that's the case, I can forget my hopes JeM will be on Disappeared, filling in all those empty spaces........

 

[believe09]

If it's correct they stopped talking to police it really darkens things for me. I just cannot imagine any good reasons for doing that - only bad ones.

If that's the case, I can forget my hopes JeM will be on Disappeared, filling in all those empty spaces........

I will be interested in how they lay the story out-isnt it usually edited to reflect a side? I love that show-even if it is a slightly romanticized version of events, just imagine the national attention it will generate. :rocker:

 

[Cubby]

We know of a 9am-ish receipt JeM provided police and a 3pm-ish receipt provided by JeM. Yet, all info indicates it was most likely between 10 am and noon Bob disappeared.

Why provide receipts for before and after Bob went missing, but not during the time he is believed to go missing? That really narrows down the possible suspect list for me.

And why would the Disappeared clip show sil working on a toilet if that was make believe? Seriously, the list of alleged liars is growing longer and longer and it includes just about everyone except the sil and Bob's daughters, well, according to some.

 

[zwiebel]

We know of a 9am-ish receipt JeM provided police and a 3pm-ish receipt provided by JeM. Yet, all info indicates it was most likely between 10 am and noon Bob disappeared.

Why provide receipts for before and after Bob went missing, but not during the time he is believed to go missing? That really narrows down the possible suspect list for me.

And why would the Disappeared clip show sil working on a toilet if that was make believe? Seriously, the list of alleged liars is growing longer and longer and it includes just about everyone except the sil and Bob's daughters, well, according to some.

Even if there are a hundred suspects milling around, there is still officially only one person in Bob's house (besides Bob) in the hours leading up to his disappearance.When Bob disappeared could be crucial in finding out what happened to him.

It's tough and bad luck for JeM, but the information only he had was always going to be of vital importance. The pressure was always going to be on him from day one. If he has not been fully co-operative, he and other family members cannot expect that pressure to simply go away.

 

[zwiebel]

Wow, lots of posts today...can't get thru them all this night even to read, let alone comment on most.

One thing to keep in-mind: LE has been very close to the vest with its public release of info about this case ever since its inception in 2009, over 3 years ago now. I do not find it surprising in the least that as a consequence, there are relatively no new MSM stories...nor witnesses coming forward publicly. Why/where would these witnesses speak of serving lunch, and to what audience? I'd expect such persons to have been questioned by LE as the investigation progressed and particularly at its outset, if any such info was needed, existed, or was at all relevant, and their interviews kept private as part of LE's building case. Also, I doubt lunch was served...JeM may have grabbed a snack if even that.

As well, do we know just what the so-called "Small Projects" consisted of, exactly? Don't think so. If not, we also do not know if any waste material was generated from them. A bit of painting here, a stuck lock fixed there...to me, these are "Small Projects", not replacing a toilet fixture. (Yes, I realize the "Disappeared" clip indicated work on a toilet...maybe it ran, perhaps it needed a new set of innards - no big deal, and the discarded parts could be put in a pocket to dispose of even IF true.)

~jmo~

BBM

I can't imagine multiple small projects not generating any waste - how I wish that was possible in my house - but even if true, I would have thought there would at least be packaging, from the products purchased at the store?

 

[shana]

BBM

I can't imagine multiple small projects not generating any waste - how I wish that was possible in my house - but even if true, I would have thought there would at least be packaging, from the products purchased at the store?

I'm not clear on why this is even an issue, but fwiw: Any waste generated from "small projects" could easily be tossed in the trash or recycle bins. Happens about every day around our home.

~jmo~

 

[Oriah]

BBM

I can't imagine multiple small projects not generating any waste - how I wish that was possible in my house - but even if true, I would have thought there would at least be packaging, from the products purchased at the store?

I've wondered about this also- the trash factor.

Also, had a rather random other question (don't want to derail the current conversation, but have been wanting to ask) and apologies if this has already been asked and answered; when Georgia was ill, did she have home health care services? And if so, with which company(s)? TIA if anyone knows this.

 

[suzyq211]

As for why Fontelle changed the locks, I think it's a logical move. It seems clear that Bob disappeared involuntarily from his own home. He had his keys and wallet with him. No matter who made him disappear, I would not feel comfortable thinking that person might have the keys to the house either because Bob gave that person a key at some point or because they may have taken it from Bob in the course of the crime.

I wouldn't even sleep there until I'd had the locksmith out, so I'm not surprised Fontelle did so. Just seems like common sense to me.

BBM

IIRC, it was a suggestion made to Fontelle by JuM as was posted on her neighborhood messageboard. She said she was concerned for Fontelle's safety from the POI (BL).

 

[zwiebel]

I've wondered about this also- the trash factor.

Also, had a rather random other question (don't want to derail the current conversation, but have been wanting to ask) and apologies if this has already been asked and answered; when Georgia was ill, did she have home health care services? And if so, with which company(s)? TIA if anyone knows this.

One of our regulars will be able to give you an exact answer, I'm sure, but I think there were complaints by the daughters about the lack of proper care/money spent on their mother during her illness. So possibly services were not provided?
My answer's become a question. I'm hopeless. Sorry!

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not clear on why this is even an issue, but fwiw: Any waste generated from "small projects" could easily be tossed in the trash or recycle bins. Happens about every day around our home.

~jmo~

I suppose the issue is just that every little thing that happened in Bob's house that day became very important, the moment he disappeared.

 

[believe09]

I know that there were comments on the www by daughters that Georgia was not well cared for by Bob-given what CA Exile shared about Bob purchasing a minivan with the express purpose of getting his wife around more easily/comfortably...well the charge by them makes me scratch my head.

Now, given their level of concern over his care of her, what did they do to alleviate things? I am certain the answer to that lies in their postings some where-I cant put my finger on them but maybe someone else can.

I am not sure if Georgia received home health services, but it seems like a given if she was at the end of her illness.

Anyone have any ideas who might have provided the services? Surely she wasnt left to the devices of her husband? End of life care is extremely difficult when you are a spouse, especially if you have no one to fall back on. Hopefully there was a group of professionals helping Mr Harrod in his care of her.

 

[believe09]

I suppose the issue is just that every little thing that happened in Bob's house that day became very important, the moment he disappeared.

I genuinely believe that the devil is in the details with this case....

 

[Oriah]

I know that there were comments on the www by daughters that Georgia was not well cared for by Bob-given what CA Exile shared about Bob purchasing a minivan with the express purpose of getting his wife around more easily/comfortably...well the charge by them makes me scratch my head.

Now, given their level of concern over his care of her, what did they do to alleviate things? I am certain the answer to that lies in their postings some where-I cant put my finger on them but maybe someone else can.

I am not sure if Georgia received home health services, but it seems like a given if she was at the end of her illness.

Anyone have any ideas who might have provided the services? Surely she wasnt left to the devices of her husband? End of life care is extremely difficult when you are a spouse, especially if you have no one to fall back on. Hopefully there was a group of professionals helping Mr Harrod in his care of her.

This will probably sound odd, but I did a bit of research on end-of-life care (hospice/home care etc) because it seemed so unlikely that Mr. Harrod would not have had help from outside agencies, when Georgia was dying.

So I got to thinking about the initial trust, and that whole debacle- and the 'family meeting' the night before Mr. Harrod disappeared, where everyone apparently was in desperate need of Georgia's will. And then I got to thinking, well, some third party signed off as a witness to this will and/or trusts. And who was that person? Is it possible that witness was changed at some point?