CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[Angelo]

LE said early on, via MSM, they were going to view video surveillance to see if people where where they said they were. Since the survelliance video has been reviewed, LE has only cleared one person via MSM, the hair dresser.

Isn't it likely if Bob's SIL was seen on video at HD when it is believed Bob went missing he would be cleared? That he isn't, tells me LE did not see him on survelliance when Bob should have disappeared after the 10 am call and prior to the noonish arrival of the CL at Bob's home.

BBM~~~~~~

I have always thought the timeline was changed because of what was seen on the surveillance tapes. Did JeM spend only a few minutes at the Home Depot, not the 45 minutes he originally told LE? Just enough time to get a receipt? Is that why the time Mr. Harrod was last seen was changed to 2:30-2:40 pm?

Harrod was last seen by his son-in-law, Jeff Michaels, around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. Harrod, a former contract manager, sent Michaels to Home Depot, but when Michaels returned, Harrod was no longer in the house, said Loomis.

"His receipt showed that he paid for his items after 3 p.m.," Loomis said. "He thinks he was at Home Depot for 45 minutes to an hour, so given 15 minutes or so of driving time, you're looking at 1:30."


"Loomis said police will start looking today at surveillance tapes "to see if people close to him were where they said they were."





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[zwiebel]

This is just incomprehensible. So Detective Loomis said the last time Bob was seen was at 1.30, even though the CL was there at that time and says he was gone by 12? Surely that means either:
Loomis had not interviewed the CL at that point?
The CL has changed her story?
JeM has changed his story?
LE/reporters made a mistake?

I can't see why LE haven't cleared up this discrepancy. It only confuses people and it could hardly tip off anyone - if someone's made that kind of timeline mistake, they'll know it!

The lovely little dog Bob's holding in your avatar, Angelo, do you happen to know what breed that is? I am trying to work out the lifespan, to see if Bob might have owned his pet when he lived in Monrovia.

 

[zwiebel]

Sigh. Everybody left because I started talking about repairs again.

 

[Cubby]

BBM~~

Agree....IF PB really called the house. Didn't she mention something about LE having trouble verifying that call because her number came up as private?

She did mention something about her number coming up "private".

The only way I know of that anyone's number can appear as "private" on caller id is to dial *67 first. Does anyone know any other way to make a call appear "private"? I've seen unknown caller come up, or wireless caller, or cellular caller without a name, but the only time I have ever seen "private" appear on caller id is when the person calling dialed *67 first.

 

[Cubby]

Could that be the same thing as there is in Europe? A paid-for service where your number is withheld? The person you called can't see your number but I'm sure the phone company would know......if the police were given permission to check records?

I think what you mean is called a non-listed number here. That means someone pays so their number is not available in white pages phone books or with directory assistance. I don't think it would make a telephone number read private on a caller id box unless the person calling dialed *67 first. *67 blocks a persons name and number from appearing on a caller id box.

 

[mikkismom]

I think what you mean is called a non-listed number here. That means someone pays so their number is not available in white pages phone books or with directory assistance. I don't think it would make a telephone number read private on a caller id box unless the person calling dialed *67 first. *67 blocks a persons name and number from appearing on a caller id box.

Cubby, with all due respect, You can have your number listed as 'Private'. On the caller ID, it says 'Private Name Private Number'. I have two people who call me from private numbers so if I get that on my ID, I assume it is one of the two.

JMO

 

[zwiebel]

Okay, we have that too but it comes up as number withheld. Excuse me for asking but why would a person withhold their number from their own father?

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, with all due respect, You can have your number listed as 'Private'. On the caller ID, it says 'Private Name Private Number'. I have two people who call me from private numbers so if I get that on my ID, I assume it is one of the two.

JMO

Ah, so you would just come up as private on all calls? You wouldn't have to select the option before a call?

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, with all due respect, You can have your number listed as 'Private'. On the caller ID, it says 'Private Name Private Number'. I have two people who call me from private numbers so if I get that on my ID, I assume it is one of the two.

JMO

Thank you, I was unaware one could request their name and number come up as private through their telephone provider.

So what we know then, is that a number may have appeared as "private name, private number" on Bob's caller ID and PB is claiming it was she who called and spoke with her dad. How would LE verify that if both the name and number both read private?

What if JuM went through the caller id on Tuesday and said someone private name, private number called? Then they decided to try and use that call as part of an alibi?

 

[Angelo]

This is just incomprehensible. So Detective Loomis said the last time Bob was seen was at 1.30, even though the CL was there at that time and says he was gone by 12? Surely that means either:
Loomis had not interviewed the CL at that point?
The CL has changed her story?
JeM has changed his story?
LE/reporters made a mistake?

I can't see why LE haven't cleared up this discrepancy. It only confuses people and it could hardly tip off anyone - if someone's made that kind of timeline mistake, they'll know it!

The lovely little dog Bob's holding in your avatar, Angelo, do you happen to know what breed that is? I am trying to work out the lifespan, to see if Bob might have owned his pet when he lived in Monrovia.

Sassy was a Pomeranian. I believe she was 15 when she passed.

 

[Cubby]

As far as the time line being all over the place and what LE has stated publicly about the varying timeline info....

I think it is safe to say LE not only verified what they were told by the hair dresser, but also by the cleaning lady. I think it is safe to assume their stories matched up and LE was easily able to verify each of their story by way of survelliance video.

Perhaps LE has chosen not to clear up the inconsistencies publicly because they are well aware that is information only the person responsible would know.....

Personally, I think LE went with the inconsistencies to give JeM the false sense of security they believe him.

all jmo of course.

 

[zwiebel]

Sassy was a Pomeranian. I believe she was 15 when she passed.

Thank you so much Angelo, info without any confusion/ red herrings. Wonderful!

 

[zwiebel]

As far as the time line being all over the place and what LE has stated publicly about the varying timeline info....

I think it is safe to say LE not only verified what they were told by the hair dresser, but also by the cleaning lady. I think it is safe to assume their stories matched up and LE was easily able to verify each of their story by way of survelliance video.

Perhaps LE has chosen not to clear up the inconsistencies publicly because they are well aware that is information only the person responsible would know.....

Personally, I think LE went with the inconsistencies to give JeM the false sense of security they believe him.

all jmo of course.

Whoever committed this crime paces the floor nights. Or something else. No matter. Someone close to them knows. And they are not safe now either, because once a line has been crossed it's much easier to cross it again. Be careful.

OT, or maybe not OT, I did not get to the very end of my story about my aunt. I did not want to seem hating or gloating because that's not nice. And I'm not doing either. There's only sorrow here. Maybe it was just GrainneDhu's karma thing.

I told you my uncle was released very early from his life sentence for killing and burying my aunt, how he got a payout for a medical condition not diagnosed, how he was cared for by misguided women. How all that happened despite the fact he'd stabbed her so many times, buried and abandoned her, assassinated her character after.

I didn't mention how he died.

Like my aunt, silenced. He lost the power of speech. Like my aunt, suffocating; his breathing was so precarious washing his hair in the basin could kill him. Drowning.
He did not die easily or quickly or pain-free. All slowly, so slowly.

What can you say? I don't know. Maybe ask GrainneDhu......

 

[Angelo]

Whoever committed this crime paces the floor nights. Or something else. No matter. Someone close to them knows. And they are not safe now either, because once a line has been crossed it's much easier to cross it again. Be careful.

OT, or maybe not OT, I did not get to the very end of my story about my aunt. I did not want to seem hating or gloating because that's not nice. And I'm not doing either. There's only sorrow here. Maybe it was just GrainneDhu's karma thing.

I told you my uncle was released very early from his life sentence for killing and burying my aunt, how he got a payout for a medical condition not diagnosed, how he was cared for by misguided women. How all that happened despite the fact he'd stabbed her so many times, buried and abandoned her, assassinated her character after.

I didn't mention how he died.

Like my aunt, silenced. He lost the power of speech. Like my aunt, suffocating; his breathing was so precarious washing his hair in the basin could kill him. Drowning.
He did not die easily or quickly or pain-free. All slowly, so slowly.

What can you say? I don't know. Maybe ask GrainneDhu......

Wow...that is karma.

 

[zwiebel]

You know what I think is the saddest thing about Bob's case, Angelo?
It was all so avoidable.
I think Bob's murderer knows that too by now.

 

[believe09]

This is just incomprehensible. So Detective Loomis said the last time Bob was seen was at 1.30, even though the CL was there at that time and says he was gone by 12? Surely that means either:
Loomis had not interviewed the CL at that point?
The CL has changed her story?
JeM has changed his story?
LE/reporters made a mistake?

I can't see why LE haven't cleared up this discrepancy. It only confuses people and it could hardly tip off anyone - if someone's made that kind of timeline mistake, they'll know it!

The lovely little dog Bob's holding in your avatar, Angelo, do you happen to know what breed that is? I am trying to work out the lifespan, to see if Bob might have owned his pet when he lived in Monrovia.

I dont read that PIO Loomis is saying Bob was last seen at 130-I read this as Bob was last seen by his SIL at 130. As in, SIL said he last saw him at the time.

So if you accept PB's phone call to her father at face value, (a call which couldnt be verified I recall her posting because it came up as private) then JeM left between 11am and 12PM for a hardware trip and apparently returned so that he could last see Bob at 130PM.

Ah the timeline-so depending on which family member is posting, speaking or being reported on, Bob disappeared between 10AM and 3PM on July 27, 2009. Much of that time, SIL was with him in the house because he last saw Bob. And for part of the time CL was in the house. But Bob wasnt there.

So when did he have time to disappear do you think?

:banghead:

 

[zwiebel]

I dont read that PIO Loomis is saying Bob was last seen at 130-I read this as Bob was last seen by his SIL at 130. As in, SIL said he last saw him at the time.

So if you accept PB's phone call to her father at face value, (a call which couldnt be verified I recall her posting because it came up as private) then JeM left between 11am and 12PM for a hardware trip and apparently returned so that he could last see Bob at 130PM.

Ah the timeline-so depending on which family member is posting, speaking or being reported on, Bob disappeared between 10AM and 3PM on July 27, 2009. Much of that time, SIL was with him in the house because he last saw Bob. And for part of the time CL was in the house. But Bob wasnt there.

So when did he have time to disappear do you think?

:banghead:

Whenever the person who was with him at the time thought it was most convenient.

 

[zwiebel]

But it didn't quite work out. I think we should look for someone who's really bad at planning their time.......

 

[Oriah]

LE has never verified any telephone calls after the 10am call. At least not publicly. Anyone could have answered the telephone from within Bob's home after 10am. There is nothing indicating LE can verify Bob was safe in his home after 10am the morning of his disappearance.

For all we know SIL could have answered the phone when PB called.....

Or voicemail could have picked up, then someone listened and deleted.

 

[Angelo]

Or voicemail could have picked up, then someone listened and deleted.

Yes....Which would account for this strange statement:


August 11, 2009
(Daughter PB)

"I called my dad that morning by telephone, he had obviously been getting quite a few phone calls that morning. Then I realized that my BIL was there and I DID hear him say he was going to the "hardware store". My dad responded to him in a favorable way. I told my dad that I would let him go and talk to him later. That was the last time that I spoke to him. Times vary as I could not tell you the exact time that I called Dad, I gave an approximate of sometime between 11 and 12 and found later it was probably after 11:30 a.m."