CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[zwiebel]

Doesn't quite fit in with CA Exile's report that the daughters were not exactly conspicuous in their attendance upon their mother's last months, does it?

Good point. I tend to trust his statements because he really did seem to have nothing to gain but finding out what happened to his friend.

 

[zwiebel]

I think that the reality of how difficult it would be to actually lift and turn a human body is something most people don't realise. Plus the difficulty of dressing a human body.

I mean, many toddlers discover that they can significantly lengthen dressing time by going limp. It's really quite difficult to dress a 20 pound toddler who is doing the jellyfish act.

Then multiply that by, say, 5 for an adult woman who weighed 100 pounds at death.

And I thought JuM had some sort of physical disability?

An acquaintance of mine owned a funeral home and used to complain bitterly about hospitals that sent him clothed bodies when they were supposed to be undressed. That must have been why.
Love your description of jellyfish toddlers - really conjurs up a picture!

 

[zwiebel]

Another thing I noticed from cloudajo's post, Detective Loomis said a search warrant for phone records was obtained. Would that be because family wouldn't give permission, or just a necessary legal process?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Another thing I noticed from cloudajo's post, Detective Loomis said a search warrant for phone records was obtained. Would that be because family wouldn't give permission, or just a necessary legal process?

Could be either but I think probably the latter.

In cases where LE thinks a prosecution may result down the line, they often prefer to get a search warrant just to prevent wrangling in court about what is and isn't consent, who had the authority to give consent, blah blah blah.

 

[zwiebel]

And yet another thing - PPD carried out lie detector tests in Feb 2010 and didn't release results or who took them, because of the ongoing investigation. Fair enough. But now, in 2012-about-to-be-13-unlucky-for-some.....isn't it about time they released that info to rack up the pressure? Preferably to coincide with Bob's 'Disappeared' airing?

First snows have come early here - hoping for some heated debate to warm me up!

 

[suzyq211]

This is my niggling little detail that I always wondered about. In some reports, especially on Robert Harrod's Charley Project page, he is said to have been wearing a white hat. Was that because a white hat was missing, or was this to insinuate that Bob was about to leave the house?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harrod_robert.html

 

[zwiebel]

Yes, I've seen a pic of Bob and there's a white hat in the background, but of course there would be no need to wear one in the house. So it is natural to infer the hat meant he was going out......except the CL was coming. Bob knew that, but we don't know if anyone else did. We do know Bob didn't leave the key in the mailbox for her though, which he always did on the rare occasions he was not there to open the door. Ummmmm....

 

[zwiebel]

I've missed your point suzyq211. If someone reported his hat missing, that would definitely be a suggestion he was going out. It's so hard to track who actually made the reports though, because so much info seems to have been fed to FH through one or two people.

 

[suzyq211]

I've missed your point suzyq211. If someone reported his hat missing, that would definitely be a suggestion he was going out. It's so hard to track who actually made the reports though, because so much info seems to have been fed to FH through one or two people.[/QUOTE

IDK. LOL! I guess I just wonder why it was mentioned. Yes, a hat means he was going outside, but he was going to be home for the CL. I always wanted to know whether it was a "red herring" pointing towards being "picked up" by a friend or acquaintance. Not important just odd to me.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder if LE used cadaver dogs on any vehicles. I'd be inclined to think there would be a better chance of getting a hit on the vehicle that transported Bob from his home, if he were killed in his home, than from within the home. Especially knowing how tight the timeline is in this case. It was approximately 2 hours between that 10 am call and the time the cleaning lady arrived.

Unless of course Bob's remains were hidden in the home during the time the cleaning lady was cleaning....

 

[Cubby]

I wonder if any tools or trucks were rented from home depot. I'm sure those records exist, if there were any rentals. If so, I sure hope LE uses the cadaver dogs on any tools or trucks rented.

http://www.homedepotrents.com/truckrental.asp

 

[zwiebel]

Stealing believe09's quote, the devil is in the details in this case.
I did notice in cloudajo's list that Det Loomis mentioned checking Home Depot surveillance tapes to see if SIL was alone as he said or Bob maybe was with him. I wonder if there was anything that made LE suspect that?
Don't think they could have found any evidence of that though - they'd have said.

ETA: in reply to suzyq211's post re white hat.

 

[Cubby]

I suspect that survelliance video corroborated some of those close to Bob's stories. Especially the hair dresser in order to clear her. I imagine the house keeper was likely seen on survelliance from wherever she was coming from prior to arriving at Bob's home as well.

Was the SIL seen on survelliance at the HD before his 12:30 pm arrival home to find the housekeeper waiting, discovering Bob was missing? Or was he only seen on HD survelliance in accordance with his 3:00pm receipt?

 

[zwiebel]

I wonder if LE used cadaver dogs on any vehicles. I'd be inclined to think there would be a better chance of getting a hit on the vehicle that transported Bob from his home, if he were killed in his home, than from within the home. Especially knowing how tight the timeline is in this case. It was approximately 2 hours between that 10 am call and the time the cleaning lady arrived.

Unless of course Bob's remains were hidden in the home during the time the cleaning lady was cleaning....

I'm still not sure who left first, the CL or SIL?

 

[Cubby]

I'm still not sure who left first, the CL or SIL?

I think the CL left first.

IIRC, it was about 8pm? AH entered Bob's home with police for the well being check. If Bob was stashed in the home for a few hours, he would have had to have been removed prior to LE arriving for the well being check.

Personally, I think Bob was not in the home during the time the CL was cleaning. My theory is the SIL was returning from wherever he disposed of Bob and any materials that held evidence of what occured to Bob when he arrived at Bob's to unexpectedly find the cleaning lady.

I have no doubt JeM and JuM knew the CL's usual day was Tuesday from the years they lived in the home next door to Bob and Georgia on Carnation.

I think the plan was to let the cleaning lady find the home empty on Tuesday and they could have claimed the repairs were completed before the heated family meeting, making it appear Bob had cold feet and left of his own free will.

Thing is the CL's appearance a day earlier than her regular cleaning day threw a huge wrench into that plan/explanation...... and now we have unanswered questions which imo are given or ommitted deliberately to throw LE off.

Shame on me, but I often wonder if those responsible for Bob's disappearance kind of kick themselves for not planning ahead for Mrs. Harrod's tenacity in finding her husband, and perhaps wish they had waited until she returned to disappear both of them with the hopes it would appear they ran off together. It's an awful thought, but clearly none of Bob's CA family was prepared for his wifes tenacity to find answers into her husbands disappearance.

 

[zwiebel]

I suspect that survelliance video corroborated some of those close to Bob's stories. Especially the hair dresser in order to clear her. I imagine the house keeper was likely seen on survelliance from wherever she was coming from prior to arriving at Bob's home as well.

Was the SIL seen on survelliance at the HD before his 12:30 pm arrival home to find the housekeeper waiting, discovering Bob was missing? Or was he only seen on HD survelliance in accordance with his 3:00pm receipt?

Now I am starting to wonder if that might explain LE's comment about checking Home Depot tapes to confirm JeM was alone as he said he was. Had they seen a tape somewhere, maybe a parking lot, showing two people in a vehicle?

The 3pm receipt just confuses me really.

 

[Cubby]

IMO, the 3 pm receipt was from a trip out after the noonish arrival of the CL. It's a cma receipt because Bob was missing and the SIL did not expect anyone to show up at Bob's that Monday.

 

[zwiebel]

Now I'm really interested in seeing what that receipt was for, and what the repairs were supposed to be. To see if the two match up.

I don't think the family at all expected F H to do anything but head straight back to MO. They told her she had no right to live in the house within days, I think. And they were wrong! That's the trouble with these private family trusts - can be hard to tell exactly how they work.....

 

[Cubby]

Oh, (IANAL but) I'm not sure the trust isn't available publicly via one of the civil filings post Bob's disappearance. Sure, pre-disappearance the trust would be private, but post disappearance, I don't believe it is.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh, (IANAL but) I'm not sure the trust isn't available publicly via one of the civil filings post Bob's disappearance. Sure, pre-disappearance the trust would be private, but post disappearance, I don't believe it is.

So, even if you had searched under Trusts and nothing had come up, it might still be hidden in a civil document listed but you wouldn't necessarily know? You would have to obtain them all......sigh