CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[zwiebel]

Is there anyone in Unidentified we could ask about this? Bob must not get missed as a possible - that would be awful!

 

[believe09]

An email to the case manager of the UID with a link to Bob's NAMUS profile would do the trick I would think.

 

[Cubby]

zweibel, this possible match was already submitted to both agencies a few years back. I'm trying to find out where things stand with the follow up process. Hang tight as there is already someone who has been in contact with the authorities on this possible match.

I'm happy to pick up the follow up if necessary, but I don't know if that is necessary as of yet. Will keep everyone posted.

 

[believe09]

It is also possible that LE has decided not to have Bob appear on any rule out lists.

 

[zwiebel]

Sorry Cubby, I'm too eager. I've just got such a feeling Bob can be found now, I don't want any chance to be missed. With Disappeared coming up, there's a sort of unbearable tension in the air.

I am hoping, hoping.

 

[zwiebel]

It is also possible that LE has decided not to have Bob appear on any rule out lists.

If I was ever found, I'm lost now.

ETA. Ah, no. I'm being slow. Ignore me.

 

[Cubby]

It is also possible that LE has decided not to have Bob appear on any rule out lists.

That is certainly one possibility, thank you.

Here is what the NamUs comments section for dna info reads for the Lucerne Valley John Doe:

SUMMARY/RESULTS: The evidence that was received for case # 701001849 was outsourced to Bode Technology for short tandem repeat (STR) DNA typing. A male STR DNA profile was obtained from the right tibia (Item 1). This profile will be entered into both the California Missing Persons DNA Database and the National Unidentified Persons DNA Index. This profile will be routinely searched against profiles from both missing persons and other human remains in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). If a match is fotmd, a supplemental report will be issued.


If Bob's dna is in CODIS and the California Missing Persons DNA Database the system should eventually cross reference both, if that has not already been done.

https://identifyus.org/cases/6788

 

[Cubby]

Sorry Cubby, I'm too eager. I've just got such a feeling Bob can be found now, I don't want any chance to be missed. With Disappeared coming up, there's a sort of unbearable tension in the air.

I am hoping, hoping.

Nothing to apologize for zwiebel. It's always been protocal at WS if we have a WS contact then we stay with that contact rather than having umpteen people calling. It lends credibility to the work and research we do. It's only when no one has previously called in a match, that we'd need someone to call it in.

I'm not sharing this to reprimand in any way, simply sharing the ropes with a newer sleuth. I had a great many mentors here over the years, some who still actively post, some who have moved onto other things, to help show me the way. The more who learn here, the more eyes and help we have with these cases so better to share that info. :blowkiss:

 

[zwiebel]

July 27, 2009 (Monday)

Weather: Low temp: 68.5 F, high temp: 91.4 F, precipitation: 0.0

Bumping your post Angelo as I've been looking at the wundergrund link cubby gave me, and realised I've made notes of all the temps in centigrade, and also, I know nothing about weather.
Do you use both systems in the states? We use fahrenheit in England too, but I've forgotten it.

As far as I can see, there was 0.01mm precipitation in the month leading up to Bob's disappearance, and an average temperature of 23 degrees centigrade? Breezy as opposed to windy conditions?

So conditions July 27th could be summarized as very warm (baking hot to the English!) dry, and with little wind. Ground conditions at the level of Placentia would likely to have been very dry and dusty, but not baked hard and solid?

Higher up, conditions would have been very different but I've had enough trouble getting this far. If anybody can make the above a little more coherent, or even add their own input about conditions in the mountain regions, I'd be very happy!

 

[Cubby]

I should add, for possible matches in general, it is an automatic presumed rule out if DNA exists for both the MP and the UID, provided the types of dna for both are comparable.

hope that further helps zweibel. It may be a little more info than necessary but it will help give you a better understanding of instances were automatic rule outs are presumed.

 

[zwiebel]

That is Cubby, thanks, because it links in with a post I tried to read a while ago, I think the poster was karl, followed by numbers? He was explaining a very complicated subject in a clear way, about two types of DNA and the possibilities/impossibilities of matching them. I shall go back and read if I ever find my way out of the maps.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, CarlK is an amazing resource when it comes to explaining DNA in not too technical terms.

From the info in the NamUs case profiles for both Bob and the Lucerne Valley John Doe, provided the information listed for both is accurate, they should be comparable through the databases mentioned upthread.

 

[zwiebel]

Let's hope it is. It must be terrible for families who have been checking in and chasing up, every week for sometimes years, to then see someone discovered and then have to wait and wait. Hope and fear, or dread. And then if there is no match, to face going through it, again and again. My heart goes out to all the families of the missing, searching every corner for their loved ones.

 

[zwiebel]

When I think back about my aunt, we were spared that long wait. But I cringe at our trust. Stupidity. After she 'ran off' he sold the house, everything in it, even her clothes.
Her clothes? She didn't take even her clothes? And we didn't think to question that?
And then he lived in hotels, had a nice time, a girlfriend. She loved him to death and trusted him to death too. But after he came out of jail, he said some things about her.....I think she came closer to death in that time with my uncle than she will ever know.
Everyone liked him though. He was lovely. Most murderers are far from having murderer stamped on their forehead. Many people loved him even after. If you were in distress you would ask him for help on the street. He was very kind.
I hated him after though. Every single charming, friendly word he said sounded like poison to me. I just kept thinking 'you might murder me too'. There was no reason for him to murder me, I was just a sensitive child. But I didn't care what anyone said, I thought it was more sensible not to trust a murderer, than to trust one. And I still do.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, am I going mad or have you stolen believe09's signature? (Kurtis, psychics...)

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, am I going mad or have you stolen believe09's signature? (Kurtis, psychics...)

I swiped the link with believe's permission some time ago.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh, for heaven's sake, I thought you were advertising a psychic detective.

 

[Cubby]

When I think back about my aunt, we were spared that long wait. But I cringe at our trust. Stupidity. After she 'ran off' he sold the house, everything in it, even her clothes.
Her clothes? She didn't take even her clothes? And we didn't think to question that?
And then he lived in hotels, had a nice time, a girlfriend. She loved him to death and trusted him to death too. But after he came out of jail, he said some things about her.....I think she came closer to death in that time with my uncle than she will ever know.
Everyone liked him though. He was lovely. Most murderers are far from having murderer stamped on their forehead. Many people loved him even after. If you were in distress you would ask him for help on the street. He was very kind.
I hated him after though. Every single charming, friendly word he said sounded like poison to me. I just kept thinking 'you might murder me too'. There was no reason for him to murder me, I was just a sensitive child. But I didn't care what anyone said, I thought it was more sensible not to trust a murderer, than to trust one. And I still do.

Thank you for this, zweibel. You're right murderers don't have murderer stamped across their forehead and many did honorable things prior to being charged and convicted with murder. The list we could compile of such, and those who were shocked to learn someone they knew could be capable of such would be a long one.....

Your post did remind me of children lacking a voice. It's why I teach my child to tell. Always tell someone, even if that person you're telling on is an adult. There have been some stories of incredibly courageous children coming forward and reporting heinious acts. Some solving murders. I do hope whomever has knowledge of what happened to Mr. Harrod, regardless of their age, young or old, has the courage to tell a trusted adult or contact the authorities.

I have no doubt those affected by this disappearance reaches far and wide and this case isn't going away quietly. Shame on the person(s) responsible causing so many to suffer. Their time is coming.

 

[Cubby]

Wow ziebel, your timing is incredible. Your Aunt might be guiding us here.

It was Atcel's older sister, who was 14 at the time, and only in Junior High, who came forward a few years ago regarding her baby brother who was a john doe in my local area. I just googled and there was an MSM article about his case two days ago, I hadn't seen.

Wow. I have tears in my eyes..... what timing, that I would think of him in regards to a child having a voice and the courage it took for his sister to come forward.

Someone out there has the courage to come forward for Mr. Harrod, I just know it. Praying they have the courage to do so soon.

off to update Atcel's thread.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, I am so glad about Atcel's case. Thank you for letting me know.

You are also so, so right about the suffering. It is so easy to spread the blame in these situations, and that's exactly what a murderer will work at - blame anyone, as long as you don't blame me. It is dreadful what they do, and what some of us allow them to do.
The only way I could deal with it was to ask every question I could, and I formed my opinion as much on what was NOT answered, as what was. Then I stuck to it and said so. It has been very difficult at times, having to point out to relatives that they were closing their eyes to the obvious. I really, really had to do it and keep on doing it though. It's bad enough having a murderer in the family - I didn't want to be on the side of a murderer too.