CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

[zwiebel]

Oriah, what would crack you up more is that I know a world-leading expert on this very subject but we had a little disagreement about something unrelated a while ago. And my pride is stopping me getting the answer in about 10 seconds.

I have also just been told by a helpful? geek; 'transmitter, not receiver', and that I am too stupid to justify any further explanation!!

 

[zwiebel]

Okay, I think the signal beams down from a satellite. England and the US are the same in that respect.

Then the US gets all independant (rings a bell). Because the country is so big, local transmitters bump the signal to try and get an even transmission. In England and Germany you just buy the radio and pick up any station for free. In the US, as far as I can see, you pay in the same way as you would for satellite TV, via subscription and encryption codes.

But they are still only receiving, not transmitting. So there is still nothing within the radio to record where that radio is. Like satellite TV - you pay subs, but nothing beams back to tell the satellite which programme you are watching.

So I think.....really, just think.....that even your local satellite 'bumpers' don't have any in-built technology to tell them when they are beaming out to someone, and where that person is. They just beam out all the time, and a person can access that 'beam' if they have paid for the encryption code.

I hope a geek never reads this; I will be sent to the geeky stupid step forever.

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, what would crack you up more is that I know a world-leading expert on this very subject but we had a little disagreement about something unrelated a while ago. And my pride is stopping me getting the answer in about 10 seconds.

I have also just been told by a helpful? geek; 'transmitter, not receiver', and that I am too stupid to justify any further explanation!!

BBM, me too!

And transmitter needs a receiver- and vice versa- in order to retain the info on the device itself, yes? So there has to be communication- and the subscribing companies have access to this info.

 

[Oriah]

Okay, I think the signal beams down from a satellite. England and the US are the same in that respect.

Then the US gets all independant (rings a bell). Because the country is so big, local transmitters bump the signal to try and get an even transmission. In England and Germany you just buy the radio and pick up any station for free. In the US, as far as I can see, you pay in the same way as you would for satellite TV, via subscription and encryption codes.

But they are still only receiving, not transmitting. So there is still nothing within the radio to record where that radio is. Like satellite TV - you pay subs, but nothing beams back to tell the satellite which programme you are watching.

So I think.....really, just think.....that even your local satellite 'bumpers' don't have any in-built technology to tell them when they are beaming out to someone, and where that person is. They just beam out all the time, and a person can access that 'beam' if they have paid for the encryption code.

I hope a geek never reads this; I will be sent to the geeky stupid step forever.

Geekyness aside, I'm not sure, but I AM sure of other cases that have involved GPS. Maybe ask Mr. Z?

I know that LE here can trace any subscriptions that an individual, a vehicle, a device, or whatever- has been subscribed to, or activated or whatever. The accounts records are usually retained for a certain period of time by the company they subscribed to. Basically- two way communication is necessary for these specific services. Does that make any sense?

Maybe I am explaining this badly??

 

[zwiebel]

You're not explaining this as badly as Mr Z will, if I phone him and his friends again, at 10pm at night in the middle of a packed-out beer hall in Germany...

 

[zwiebel]

Anyway, this is turning out to be a pretty slow race between Oriah and believe09 for the super secret agreement. I should have competed after all.

 

[believe09]

According to the forum I checked in with, "Satellite radio is a one way technology except if the unit has Wi Fi and/or GPS."

If a unit has Wi Fi and or GPS, you can definitely be tracked and the info would be logged.

So take that fwiw.

I am starting to think there is no need for lojacking people-as long as they are carrying one of a long list of electronic devices lol!

 

[believe09]

OK zwiebel, enough stalling....spit out that secret agreement!!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Oriah]

According to the forum I checked in with, "Satellite radio is a one way technology except if the unit has Wi Fi and/or GPS."

If a unit has Wi Fi and or GPS, you can definitely be tracked and the info would be logged.

So take that fwiw.

I am starting to think there is no need for lojacking people-as long as they are carrying one of a long list of electronic devices lol![/quote]

BBM:
Lol!
Sorry- have been on and off busy today but still workin' on that SSA.
Anyway... if the unit has gps capabilities which are active (connected and active to provider) it can be tracked. How could it not be, considering the communication goes both ways? Actually I believe even wifi access points can retain this info, such as 'so and so logged on here at my mobile hotspot at this time on this date.' Just not sure on the time frame necessary to clarify that, or if too much time has passed to make that happen in Mr. Harrod's case.

Heck, I know I can track my dogs' collars (GPS device, on their collar) for at least a year, because that's our annual subscription and we update. So if a dog goes missing I can check our program which will tell me where whichever dog has been, and where collar with GPS might currently be and all that stuff.

Isn't this the same sort of thing?

 

[zwiebel]

OK zwiebel, enough stalling....spit out that secret agreement!!! :floorlaugh:

Sorry. It's a secret.

 

[believe09]

Sorry. It's a secret.

Not any more my friend...not any more.

 

[Oriah]

Sorry. It's a secret.

Lol. King Henry I think? Three can keep Counsel if two be away? Something like that?
There's no such thing as a secret. And these beans have already been spilled- and split between counsel, imvho.

 

[zwiebel]

Confession; I can't make head nor tail of that court website. Just to get in, I have to put in the code about 6 times. I just can't read it right, and it thinks I am a computer. I tell it that's Mr Z, not me, but it doesn't listen.

And I have never found anything on my own there - only from links here.

So, I'm just a babe in arms on this one, reliant on Oriah and Believe09. Am I in safe hands?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Is this turning into a game of "button, button?" Or is anyone actually going to do a big reveal?

 

[Seajay]

It's snowing tonight in Running Springs. Just FYI.

 

[zwiebel]

I know it's stupid, but I always hate to think of missing people being out there in the cold. It doesn't make sense, but I always feel especially sad for them when winter comes, and it is even more poignant at Christmas time.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, that new cold case on our front page features a wealthy woman who disappears from her home, changes and family fighting over a will, a housekeeper and a suspicious black vehicle that is never traced. Oh, and name changes.

Good to see she hasn't been forgotten though. That case happened in 1937.

 

[believe09]

Well, that new cold case on our front page features a wealthy woman who disappears from her home, changes and family fighting over a will, a housekeeper and a suspicious black vehicle that is never traced. Oh, and name changes.

Good to see she hasn't been forgotten though. That case happened in 1937.

Undoubtedly we will find this somewhere floated as the latest theory regarding who disappeared Bob. I hope PPD is ready for the tips to roll in.

 

[Oriah]

Well, that new cold case on our front page features a wealthy woman who disappears from her home, changes and family fighting over a will, a housekeeper and a suspicious black vehicle that is never traced. Oh, and name changes.

Good to see she hasn't been forgotten though. That case happened in 1937.[/quote

This is probably O/T but can someone remind me what happened to Mr. Harrod's car?

 

[believe09]

Well, that new cold case on our front page features a wealthy woman who disappears from her home, changes and family fighting over a will, a housekeeper and a suspicious black vehicle that is never traced. Oh, and name changes.

Good to see she hasn't been forgotten though. That case happened in 1937.[/quote

This is probably O/T but can someone remind me what happened to Mr. Harrod's car?

It is sitting in his driveway. Since the cleanout, there may be room in the garage for it.