CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[Oriah]

My thoughts re: the possibility of dementia or some other illness that might cause wandering behavior.
A tracking dog would have been able to locate him within a short period of time- the man is elderly, has physical impairments, and would have likely circled within a very small radius if that were the case. Not to mention other (human) sightings. We're not talking a rural area here, where he might be lost in shrub or woods or whatever.

I personally don't think Mr. Harrod had dementia or any other illness that may have led him to wandering from his home. I DO think that is sometimes an explanation offered up to LE by witness(s) when someone goes missing and someone knows more than they're saying. Jmvho.

Let's scrub up the timeline...again? Can't hurt.

 

[Roselvr]

State of NJ Unidentified Persons / bodies there is a drop down list to search different ways; living; deceased; by County it also shows missing persons link. What's confusing is you have to click the globe on the missing page in order to get to Missing Person

 

[Oriah]

State of NJ Unidentified Persons / bodies there is a drop down list to search different ways; living; deceased; by County it also shows missing persons link. What's confusing is you have to click the globe on the missing page in order to get to Missing Person

I probably missed something here, but could someone refresh me on why we are looking at NJ? Or am I looking at this site wrong maybe? So confused!

 

[Roselvr]

I probably missed something here, but could someone refresh me on why we are looking at NJ? Or am I looking at this site wrong maybe? So confused!

Look at post 424 & what we talked about after. I was pretty sure NJ State police listed all the missing on their site. We don't understand why California doesn't do similar. Especially with Bob's show coming up.

What's interesting is that Zwiebel & I are posting on another CA case. 2 quotes taken from that post-

How does someone find where they list their unidentified cases? I'm sure its staring me in the face

California Missing & Unidentified persons

Orange County Sheriff's department

I don't know what's going on there, Roselvr. I couldn't find Bob Harrod listed under Placentia missing people on that site.

It's been bothering me; so I put missing in the search box Missing Persons - no Bob
He's not listed at any of the other links

I do not see missing persons on the California highway patrol site

Placentia it should be featured but is buried - You are here: Home > Departments > Police > Services > Missing Persons

 

[Roselvr]

A tracking dog would have been able to locate him within a short period of time- the man is elderly, has physical impairments, and would have likely circled within a very small radius if that were the case. Not to mention other (human) sightings. We're not talking a rural area here, where he might be lost in shrub or woods or whatever.

respectfully snipped...

Why weren't tracking dogs brought in?

 

[Oriah]

respectfully snipped...

Why weren't tracking dogs brought in?

I don't know. But it sure seems like they should have been. Imvho, it all depends on the timing, the initial reporting and the resources available to a LE department. In Mr. Harrod's case, I believe the initial reporting combined with the timing was problematic. That is of course, moo.

 

[Roselvr]

I don't know. But it sure seems like they should have been. Imvho, it all depends on the timing, the initial reporting and the resources available to a LE department. In Mr. Harrod's case, I believe the initial reporting combined with the timing was problematic. That is of course, moo.

IIRC; LE were called to do a well check. When it was noticed he still was not home; the ball should have gotten rolling then.

 

[zwiebel]

I wish it had, because look who I've found hiding in Orange County (okay, they weren't exactly hiding, more like me not finding them):

http://media.ocgov.com/gov/sheriff/divisions/fieldops/north/reserve/units/rescue.asp

I hope they'll be available to help in Bob's case in future, when the time is right.

 

[zwiebel]

I had no idea labradors could be used in SAR work. I thought they just played. But they sure look like labradors on those desks to me.

 

[believe09]

***extremely GRAPHIC link***


http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22...iscovered-black-dahlia-death-scene?source=rss

The above concerns the notorious Black Dahlia case, but I think it is worth confirming using the civilian media that it is never too late for dogs when forensic evidence is needed.

I know nothing about the dog in the story and how seasoned he is-but I do believe that there are still opportunities for more dog searches in Bob's case.

 

[Oriah]

IIRC; LE were called to do a well check. When it was noticed he still was not home; the ball should have gotten rolling then.

I totally agree.

Unfortunately the ball can only get rolling when someone initially reports, kwim? And even then there is a bit of jet lag. In Mr. Harrod's case there seems to be a time lapse of 2 days.

Even if we dismiss the reporting parties; it's still skewed. The LSA, the reported as missing, LE response, the WBC... we really need to take a look at this timeline. Again. :banghead:

 

[zwiebel]

Oh, that timeline. I have had nightmares about that timeline, honestly.

And matters have not been helped at all by the flurry of conflicting information just after Bob disappeared, then a lack of any further info/clarification or corrections from the people who gave that information out in the first place.

 

[zwiebel]

I totally agree.

Unfortunately the ball can only get rolling when someone initially reports, kwim? And even then there is a bit of jet lag. In Mr. Harrod's case there seems to be a time lapse of 2 days.

Even if we dismiss the reporting parties; it's still skewed. The LSA, the reported as missing, LE response, the WBC... we really need to take a look at this timeline. Again. :banghead:

Oriah, I am just quoting your post again in the hope of catching your attention.
I may be overreading this, but I think one of Bob's daughters may have extended a helping hand to you.

She has provided precise details elsewhere of where Bob probably brought any Western souvenirs (such as the belt buckle/bolo ties you've been researching). It is on the way to, and at, the mining ghost town of Virginia City.

As I say, I cannot be sure because it is not stated explicitly, but I don't know why she would have mentioned Western souvenirs otherwise. If this is RB extending a helping hand to those who are extending a helping hand to her father, then she has my support and thanks.

 

[believe09]

The timeline needs clarification regarding the well being check. If the check was a requirement of PPD and was triggered by Mrs Harrod's first attempt to call her husband in missing, then Bob had already been missing for as much as 10 hours. Once the statement made by AH implied Bob was voluntarily missing, then the phantom SUV came into play, and then the recollection/suggestion of dementia...well like Oriah already said, we are looking at a 48 hour lag time for PPD. Through no fault of their own.

 

[believe09]

Just to clarify, with a very broad outline:

• July 26, 2009- Heated family meeting regarding Bob's estate and Bob's intention of including Mrs Harrod in his estate planning.
• July 27, 2009- PPD states Bob's last known is around 10AM. He spoke with someone on the phone and PPD believes that Bob was actually on one end of the conversation.
• PB has her phone call with her father between 11AM and 12PM.
• SIL returns from somewhere/hardware store just after 12PM.
• CL is on the steps and Bob is no where to be found.
• Mrs Harrod is unable to reach her husband via phone and is eventually requested by JuM to call Bob in as Missing.
• After 8PM PPD arrives for well being check
• AH says GF probably was cooling off somewhere because of fighting in the family.
• Mrs Harrod provides details of the Phantom SUV and Bob's attire, clearly given to her by someone else since she was in MO.

If you are PPD what are you doing with the above information? You are looking for a :censored: off Bob Harrod and a phantom SUV. Then at some point in the next day or so, you are told it may be dementia or cold feet.


Then, as PPD clearly states in the archived videos, you realize that there is no way it is cold feet-Bob's beloved long lost love is home in Placentia and he is still no where to be found.


Shortly after that the scramble for the money begins....

 

[zwiebel]

The only mention in the LE report from that night of someone calling in is Mrs Harrod, isn't it? Unless I'm missing something, I can't see any hint or suggestion that anyone else called in details of Bob's disappearance earlier, or for a welfare check. If someone else had called in for a welfare check, wouldn't it be on record?

Unless something else turns up, I'm inclined to base events upon the police report from that night. Basically, that Bob was not reported missing until at least 9.32pm from Missouri, but that he had actually gone missing by noon that day, in California from the house where his Son-in-law was working, and the state where his three daughters, SIL and adult grandson lived. Is that fair?

 

[zwiebel]

Okay believe, we're posting at the same time but saying about the same things, I think. Except you're ahead of me in pointing out the effect that the info given on the night Bob went missing had on LE's attempts to find him.

 

[zwiebel]

I can't see what LE has to gain at this point by witholding the name of the person who said Bob might have had dementia.

I think it might be helpful to release that information to the public at this point, in fact.

 

[Cubby]

I can't see what LE has to gain at this point by witholding the name of the person who said Bob might have had dementia.

I think it might be helpful to release that information to the public at this point, in fact.

There will probably be some new details not previously made public via the Disappeared show for Bob's case. IDK if it will include who stated Bob had dementia, but it might.

 

[zwiebel]

Is Heeter Fontelle's maiden name? If not, is her maiden name when she was engaged to Bob okay to use, or should it be left out of any overview?