CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[zwiebel]

That's the kind of verification I mean, really. Not LE confirming it's correct or anything, but just evidence that someone has actually stated something and it cannot be put down to just misreporting/mistakes by a journalist or other.

I suppose you could say I'm after an alternative timeline; not of when things actually happened, but when people said they happened.

I'm torn about any internet postings. Although I'm pretty certain people are who we think they are, they could be anybody really. I don't know if any times they have stated can really be taken into account. I wonder if LE has checked out any online identities?

 

[zwiebel]

There's Fontelle's calls to Bob on the night of course as well. And her later calls to LE.

 

[cloudajo]

I'm trying to work out the bare bones of the timeline - not make sense of it, but isolate exactly which times LE have verified, or which times there is supporting evidence for. Even if those times may not be correct, if you know what I mean.

I have JuM's maybe one, noon? JeM's 3.04 receipt, AH's welfare check at 9.32 and Fontelle's call at 10pm the evening before.

I really want to include the housekeepers' noon arrival too, but are we certain she actually said that? I never saw the clip so I don't know how it played out, and now it looks like it's been removed........are you long-term posters who saw the clip unequivocal that she said that/and or the narrator said she said that?

I'm not doubting, I just want to be sure.

ETA: Oh, and I'm counting PB's 11-12 call too, because that's stated on the Namus profile.

The housekeeper has never said publicly that she arrived at about Noon. The narrator of the Disappeared show said it. The housekeeper only said she was at Bob's for a total of about 3 hours. That's why I don't think we can count on the Noon time either. See below.

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Narrator: But Jeff was not the only person at Bob’s house that day. Agnes, Bob’s housekeeper of more than 10 years, arrived around Noon. Normally, she cleans Bob’s house on Tuesday, but this week she’d arranged to come on Monday.

[snipped]

Agnes: I was there all together about 3 hours. I can honestly tell you that during the whole time I was there, I was very concerned. I kept thinking, where is he at?

 

[believe09]

I think the "around Noon" is similar in nature to the "around 10AM" phone call tbh. There is some fluidity there.

The only definitives that I am aware of are JuM's 28 hour post, the time LE arrived and the times that Mrs Harrod called LE.

Oh and the 3:04PM receipt.

 

[wantjustice]

OK for those of us wanting an explanation on Disappeared, ID says they will air the 4 remaining episodes in the spring. Why they pulled it in the first place? No further explanation. Say they will post more info later on the air date of Disappeared on Disappeared's FB page.

 

[Cubby]

It looks like ID has updated their site. I think this is a new description for Bob's case. I don't recall seeing it previously.


Eighty-one year old Bob Harrod is overjoyed when he marries his childhood sweetheart after sixty years apart. But days before his new bride moves in, Bob vanishes. Police cannot locate him and soon find a strong motive for foul play: Bob is a millionaire.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/season-5-episodes5.htm

 

[zwiebel]

I suppose some information is better than none at all, and I like the new description; it makes it clear Fontelle wasn't there when Bob disappeared.

 

[Cubby]

I suppose some information is better than none at all, and I like the new description; it makes it clear Fontelle wasn't there when Bob disappeared.

I think it also makes it clear this is a case of foul play and clear the motive is money.

... and I keep going back to Andrew stopping his mortgage payments within 4 days of Bob's disappearance and his words to throw Mrs. Harrod out on the streets. Along with his statement in his deposition about his loan being forgiven upon his grandfathers death.

I'm really thinking it's quite possible AH's involvement is far deeper than we've realized. What if he drove by and argued with Bob after he knew is dad had left Bob's home to run errands? We have never heard a peep about an alibi for AH the morning of his grandfathers disappearance.

AH isn't looking pretty in this situation, imo.

 

[believe09]

OK for those of us wanting an explanation on Disappeared, ID says they will air the 4 remaining episodes in the spring. Why they pulled it in the first place? No further explanation. Say they will post more info later on the air date of Disappeared on Disappeared's FB page.

Why they pulled the 4 episodes- is that what you mean?

 

[zwiebel]

I think it also makes it clear this is a case of foul play and clear the motive is money.

... and I keep going back to Andrew stopping his mortgage payments within 4 days of Bob's disappearance and his words to throw Mrs. Harrod out on the streets. Along with his statement in his deposition about his loan being forgiven upon his grandfathers death.

I'm really thinking it's quite possible AH's involvement is far deeper than we've realized. What if he drove by and argued with Bob after he knew is dad had left Bob's home to run errands? We have never heard a peep about an alibi for AH the morning of his grandfathers disappearance.

AH isn't looking pretty in this situation, imo.

We know what he was doing on the night though - standing outside Bob's house with a key in his hand, waiting for the police to accompany him inside.

Ah well, at least he was there. Unlike his dad and his mom and Bob's other two daughters. They all seemed to keep well clear of Bob's house that night. AH got the short straw.

I'd like to know who called AH that day to tell him Bob was missing, and what they could have said to make him feel he needed police to accompany him inside. LE pulled records, so I guess at least they'll know who called, and when.

 

[Cubby]

AH was the one waiting for police because he lived closest to Bob's home. He was waiting outside because wanted LE to be credible witnesses to this actions in the home that night.

I'd like to know if AH left Bob's home at the same time LE left. How and when did he obtain a key? How did his mother enter Bob's home the following day?

That Michaels family triangle stinks to high holy hades.

 

[believe09]

AH was the one waiting for police because he lived closest to Bob's home. He was waiting outside because wanted LE to be credible witnesses to this actions in the home that night.

I'd like to know if AH left Bob's home at the same time LE left. How and when did he obtain a key? How did his mother enter Bob's home the following day?

That Michaels family triangle stinks to high holy hades.

He didnt. I am sure of that.

 

[zwiebel]

Maybe AH stayed on to finish up anything his Dad had left unfinished that day. So Dad never had to come back as he'd said. And then Mom popped in the next morning to put the finishing touches to anything AH had left undone.

In a way, a person could say they were taking equal responsibility for taking care of matters in Bob's house over that 24 hours or so.

 

[zwiebel]

Sort of o/t but not really. England's judicial system has just ground to a halt over a 10-year-old speeding ticket to a politician. The judge has just discharged the jury saying they 'displayed a fundamental deficit in understanding', and he'd 'never come across anything like it in 30 years'.

I despair. But more than that, it made me think of the Casey Anthony trial. That sort of shock doesn't happen often in the US, does it? I'm just thinking ahead to when Bob's case comes to trial. I'm sure it will, you see, and I'm getting my worrying in early.

 

[zwiebel]

To me it seems that there is just something I cannot reconcile about the behaviour of all three of the family members we know were at Bob's house the day/morning after he disappeared;

JeM seeming to show a complete lack of concern but then telling others he'd seen something suspicious;

AH wanting police to accompany him when he checked Bob's house;

JuM entering the house next morning and changing the sheets.

Combine that with JuM telling the TV station Bob had disappeared between one and noon, while her husband JeM produced a receipt for 3.04 pm as his alibi, AH's stopping his debt repayments to Bob, and the total silence that has fallen on all their parts with regard to Bob, since then.....

Wasn't it the founder of Klasskids who urged the families of all missing people to be pro-active in excluding themselves first? To make it easy for LE, even if it's upsetting, so they can concentrate on finding whoever was really involved? I just don't know if any reasonable person can conclude everyone has done that in Bob's case.

 

[Cubby]

My response to zwiebels post in color.

quote=zwiebel

To me it seems that there is just something I cannot reconcile about the behaviour of all three of the family members we know were at Bob's house the day/morning after he disappeared;

JeM seeming to show a complete lack of concern but then telling others he'd seen something suspicious was nothing more than a line to support his wife and sister in laws theory due to his being caught at the home by the CL, imo.

Not only did he demonstrate a complete lack of concern regarding his father in law, he clearly demonstrated he had every reason to believe his wife was in no danger whatsoever being alone at Bob's home, while she was posting the family believed Bob was a victim of foul play on her community forum. There is a reason why JeM was confident his wife would be in no danger being alone in Bob's home the day following Bob's disappearance.

AH wanting police to accompany him when he checked Bob's house;


JuM entering the house next morning and changing the sheets.

Combine that with JuM telling the TV station Bob had disappeared between one and noon, while her husband JeM produced a receipt for 3.04 pm as his alibi, AH's stopping his debt repayments to Bob, and the total silence that has fallen on all their parts with regard to Bob, since then.....

The puzzle pieces fit together nicely with this triangle, doesn't it?

Wasn't it the founder of Klasskids who urged the families of all missing people to be pro-active in excluding themselves first? To make it easy for LE, even if it's upsetting, so they can concentrate on finding whoever was really involved? I just don't know if any reasonable person can conclude everyone has done that in Bob's case.

Yes, it was Mark Klaas of Klaaskids who has made that statement many many times. As far as Bob's family goes, I have every reason to believe if they could have, they would have. They've had no problem attacking those seeking justice for Bob at full throttle and have no reason to believe they would choose not to clear themselves in that same full throttle manner if they could.

Remember what LE said in the disappeared clip. The person/s responsible are in the inner circle. Mrs. Harrod was in MO and they looked into the BL's where abouts. Who else was around and in the inner circle other than Bob's family, particularly the Michaels family with their <unusual> behavior?

 

[zwiebel]

I'm embarrassed to say it, but I've still been thinking about Bob's hat, and I think I may have found something.

If you look at this pic here, you can clearly see three of Bob's hats lined neatly up on the bookshelf behind Fontelle. Two with light bands, one with a dark red.
http://poststar.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge_remote.asp?source=&remoteimageid=7396218

Then go to the 'Our father means the world to us' video here, and freeze it just as the shot cuts to Bob standing talking on the phone, in front of that same bookshelf. You have to be quick with the stop button.
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It does look to me as though there are the same three hats on the shelf behind him, with the one with the dark red band just visible by Bob's left shoulder, before he moves in front of it.

It doesn't prove anything except Fontelle didn't store his hats there after Bob disappeared - he stored them there himself. But the kitchen is also visible in that video, so the shelf is downstairs, near the front and back doors, convenient if Bob wanted to grab a hat before going out. There is obviously room for only three hats on that shelf, and the photos and video show all three where there before Bob disappeared, and after.

So where did the white hat come from that Bob was supposed to be wearing, the day he disappeared? We know he left behind two with a grey band and (probably) one with a red band. Maybe if details of the band colour of the one he was wearing could be provided, it would help?

 

[believe09]

I think we can toss that description, fwiw. Certainly at this point. Bob would have stood out if he was wandering about dressed like the Good Humor Man.

 

[believe09]

Maybe we should go by opposites...maybe he was dressed in a sweatsuit with a Parka on.

 

[Cubby]

I think we can toss that description, fwiw. Certainly at this point. Bob would have stood out if he was wandering about dressed like the Good Humor Man.

The Good Humor Man :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:. That's better than what I was going to say.

I don't think any hats were unaccounted for and for that reason the girls decided to say they were unsure of how many he had, versus none were unaccounted for.