CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[believe09]

Okay, I've forgotten all my shorthand but what I have 'Al' of Fox11 news saying is this:

'His family said he's legally blind and his bad knees kept him from walking too far'.

Respectfully snipped. We cant let the phantom SUV fall too far from our minds while we are headed back in time. The phantom SUV was communicated by JuM specifically to Mrs Harrod IIRC. Additionally, the family had already determined who their "POI" was by the time of the phone call to Mrs Harrod.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Random- but- imvho, most folks who are blind or vision impaired in some other way- put on glasses as soon as they wake up. And since it's impossible to find your glasses or put in your contacts when you can't actually see them; most folks with vision impairment have glasses within reach. Especially when they go to sleep for the night.

I wonder if any of the glasses that Mr. Harrod had were damaged?

ETA: I wonder if his glasses can help with our timeline?

Combined with the unmade bed, my guess is that whatever happened to Bob started out while Bob was still in bed.

Horrid thought.

 

[GrainneDhu]

What happened to the linens that were on Bob's bed the morning of his disappearance? Were they still there on the bed when JuM changed the linens the day following Mr. Harrod's disappearance? If so, did she turn them over to LE? If not, is it possible Mr. Harrod was carried out in the linens he had on his bed the morning of his disappearance, and that is the reason daughter JuM had to change the linens?

Either that or JuM thought there was a chance that there was incriminating evidence on those sheets. Since none of Bob's offspring or their spouses lived with Bob, finding touch DNA from one of those people on Bob's sheets would inspire some uncomfortable questions from LE.

To say the least.

 

[GrainneDhu]

They were sitting on the kitchen table. Where the phone was kept. Not too far away from the bookshelf containing all the white hats. One of which he was supposed to be wearing but you can't quite see in the video if there is an obvious space.

I'm beyond caring about family speculation about how many pairs he had anyway - glasses sitting on the kitchen table, near to the phone where you might take notes and mail waiting to be opened and read......they are the ones he was using, if you ask me. I don't think he took his glasses with him.

Too bad the PPD didn't process the glasses. Eye glasses are such a personal item, it would be odd if anyone's DNA except Bob's were on them.

Since every picture of Bob showed him wearing his glasses, I doubt he was in the habit of leaving them by the phone. I think someone staged that shot and I don't think it was anyone in the news media.

Someone was staging.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Okay, I've forgotten all my shorthand but what I have 'Al' of Fox11 news saying is this:

'His family said he's legally blind and his bad knees kept him from walking too far'.

If this is true and it was Bob's daughters who gave this information then I have to apologise to them for thinking they had not told LE about the knees (I'm not apologising to AH though because he could have told LE the night before, but it's not in the report).

It also raises a question though. If Bob was blind and unable to walk properly, what line of investigation were LE following when they thought he might have left voluntarily, without his car or glasses?

This also raises questions about whether Bob should have been driving, I know. I'm not going to speculate. Let LE discuss that with him, if and when he returns. Me and Mr Z's Grandad gave up driving voluntarily at the exact same age. He had been LE though. It was still a wrench.

I'm legally blind but my ophthalmologist tells me that I could get a driver's license in my state that was restricted to wearing glasses and daylight only.

My father, who is within a week of Bob's age, is still driving. In our state, that means he has to pass a driving test each year and every year, he passes without any reservations expressed by the various evaluators. Then again, my dad is an ace test taker. Different states have different requirements.

In the US in many places, giving up driving means having to give up on living independently. Most cities in the US have abysmal public transit systems and were planned around a population that uses cars. Instead of being able to reach everything within a 20 minute walk, it's quite common to live many miles from grocery stores, etc. Particularly in affluent communities.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Respectfully snipped. We cant let the phantom SUV fall too far from our minds while we are headed back in time. The phantom SUV was communicated by JuM specifically to Mrs Harrod IIRC. Additionally, the family had already determined who their "POI" was by the time of the phone call to Mrs Harrod.

And how inconsiderate of her for both her and her husband to have good alibis that allowed them to be speedily cleared by LE.

 

[believe09]

Too bad the PPD didn't process the glasses. Eye glasses are such a personal item, it would be odd if anyone's DNA except Bob's were on them.

Since every picture of Bob showed him wearing his glasses, I doubt he was in the habit of leaving them by the phone. I think someone staged that shot and I don't think it was anyone in the news media.

Someone was staging.

What makes you believe they didnt, GrainneDhu?

 

[Seajay]

Respectfully snipped. We cant let the phantom SUV fall too far from our minds while we are headed back in time. The phantom SUV was communicated by JuM specifically to Mrs Harrod IIRC. Additionally, the family had already determined who their "POI" was by the time of the phone call to Mrs Harrod.

I would love to hear who they named as their "POI". Bread crumbs please?

 

[GrainneDhu]

What makes you believe they didnt, GrainneDhu?

As I understand it, processing the eyeglasses would mean taking them in order to keep the chain of custody intact and legally defensible. They wouldn't just leave them there for the media to shoot.

Of course, that doesn't mean that PPD didn't process the house after Fontelle arrived and after the media went away.

So, I suppose it's a possibility.

 

[suzyq211]

Combined with the unmade bed, my guess is that whatever happened to Bob started out while Bob was still in bed.

Horrid thought.

I hope the CL was asked what she found when she got to the house that day...such as coffee cup, plate in sink, etc. Was a newspaper delivered and brought in? These are some of my questions...

 

[zwiebel]

I'm legally blind but my ophthalmologist tells me that I could get a driver's license in my state that was restricted to wearing glasses and daylight only.

My father, who is within a week of Bob's age, is still driving. In our state, that means he has to pass a driving test each year and every year, he passes without any reservations expressed by the various evaluators. Then again, my dad is an ace test taker. Different states have different requirements.

In the US in many places, giving up driving means having to give up on living independently. Most cities in the US have abysmal public transit systems and were planned around a population that uses cars. Instead of being able to reach everything within a 20 minute walk, it's quite common to live many miles from grocery stores, etc. Particularly in affluent communities.

Thanks for reminding me that there are many, many different types and classifications of 'blindness'. Could you clarify for me; in England a person can be 'registered' blind. That means being tested by an appropriately-qualified person and then going on the register which entitles them to various services and benefits. Would 'legally' blind imply the same thing in the US? Would Bob be officially listed as blind somewhere?

 

[zwiebel]

I would love to hear who they named as their "POI". Bread crumbs please?

Here's where you can find the answer, just a little way into the report;

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[zwiebel]

I hope the CL was asked what she found when she got to the house that day...such as coffee cup, plate in sink, etc. Was a newspaper delivered and brought in? These are some of my questions...

Me too. And I hope she was asked if it was her who brought the mail in and put it on the kitchen table. It makes a big difference, imo - if it was Bob and his glasses were sitting beside the mail, it does at least suggest he might have been getting ready to read through it when he disappeared.

ETA: Correction. Mail was on the kitchen counter, not the table. Now I'm thinking it wasn't Bob who brought it in. Is that a job a cleaner would be likely to do, bring in the mail? I wouldn't have thought so, myself.

I wonder if Bob was the type of person who went through his mail each day, as soon as it arrived? Mrs Harrod might know. That's one of the daily routines/habits a person can notice about another in a very short time of starting to live with them.

 

[believe09]

So the mail person and UPS were probably valuable resources of information, unless the mail was from the weekend.

 

[believe09]

As I understand it, processing the eyeglasses would mean taking them in order to keep the chain of custody intact and legally defensible. They wouldn't just leave them there for the media to shoot.

Of course, that doesn't mean that PPD didn't process the house after Fontelle arrived and after the media went away.

So, I suppose it's a possibility.

I think Bob had multiple pairs of glasses as well, so the question might be whether or not those were the newest pair. I am quite certain his eye doctor confirmed that. We can assume that LE approached Bob's physician regarding the dementia statement as well-his physician made a very strong statement refuting any mental acuity issues, and I doubt that would have happened if LE hadnt heard the specifics first. IMO.

I would like to know which family member told the press that Bob left without his glasses.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Thanks for reminding me that there are many, many different types and classifications of 'blindness'. Could you clarify for me; in England a person can be 'registered' blind. That means being tested by an appropriately-qualified person and then going on the register which entitles them to various services and benefits. Would 'legally' blind imply the same thing in the US? Would Bob be officially listed as blind somewhere?

Probably not, since he was still driving and I assume that means he was either passing the vision test or had a letter from a board certified ophthalmologist saying that the vision in at least one eye is correctable to something like 20/30 with lenses (the standard may vary with each state).

Since Bob wore glasses in every picture I've seen of him, he probably had a qualification on his driver's license that specifies he must wear corrective glasses or contact lenses while driving. He may also have been restricted to day time driving only. Both of those qualifications are fairly common and would not amount to a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act or by the standards of the Social Security Administration.

 

[zwiebel]

It may not mean anything, but in the video clip where Bob is talking on the phone, he isn't wearing his glasses. That could possibly mean he would take them off when making -or taking- a call. If they were not placed there by someone else, Bob's glasses being on the kitchen table could suggest he disappeared very shortly after taking the reported phone call from PB.

I take my specs off for calls. Slide them up to the top of my head so the arm doesn't hit the handset by my ear. Then spend the next half an hour looking for them. When they're not locked up tight inside an iced-up car, that is.

O/T I don't know how everyone else in the car park seems to be getting in and out of their vehicles without a problem. I can't cope with cars in cold winters, at all.

 

[zwiebel]

What happened to the linens that were on Bob's bed the morning of his disappearance? Were they still there on the bed when JuM changed the linens the day following Mr. Harrod's disappearance? If so, did she turn them over to LE? If not, is it possible Mr. Harrod was carried out in the linens he had on his bed the morning of his disappearance, and that is the reason daughter JuM had to change the linens?

'The bed in the master bedroom was made.'

From LE report at 9.32pm on the night of 27th July, 2009. So someone had made Bob's bed that day, after he disappeared. It must have had sheets on, unless someone 'made' the bed without sheets. Now, that would be weird.

 

[Cubby]

Agnes: When I went upstairs, I saw that in his bedroom, the bed was unmade, and never in the 10 years I worked for them, that happened before. It was just so out of character for him to not to make the bed, I just thought it was very strange.

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According to the cleaning lady the bed was unmade when she arrived. She probably made the bed. She would likely know if sheets were on the bed when she made it or not.

 

[Oriah]

Does anyone know if the PPD processed any of Mr. Harrod's glasses (however many sets there were at his residence at the time) for the prescription of the lenses?