CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[cloudajo]

JeM went to Bob's Monday AM. Speculation only: Maybe Bob was still upset/frustrated by the Sunday family meeting. Maybe he and JeM had words, and/or Bob told him to leave. And maybe it was a trigger for JeM.

 

[cloudajo]

Why is the 28 hour post/10:00am and the last call from a non family member at 10:00 (iirc and according to LE) suddenly jumping out at me?

LE certainly didn't have phone records by Tues am when JuM was dth changing the linens, so how did she know the 10:00 am time before LE did?

I always wonder if OC Social Services placed a call to Bob that morning, after receiving a call from one of the daughters. They showed up in person at Bob's house on Wed, 2 days after Bob disappeared.

 

[zwiebel]

I never thought of it being social services. LE would count that as a pretty impeccable witness, wouldn't they?

 

[Cubby]

Posted by JuM on another board on August 13, 2009. Gives insight into the amount of time they spent with Bob and how she felt.

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Our father pushed us away around Christmas, he wanted time "to get in touch" with his feelings. It hurt all of us, we tried to respect his wishes but I would stop in now and then when I was down the hill and he would be happy to see us. It was a weird situation that we did not understand. We did however warn him of the POI taking advantage of him and he brushed it off. This is heartbreaking, the distance he created was so selfish. We found out that he purchased lavish gifts for POI and he could not believe she did not like the diamond bracelet so he had to go back and get her something else for her. He did not even acknowledge his own grandson and great grandchildren. In a nutshell that is what happened until we came down to meet F he wanted us to be an instant family again. The difficult situation of just losing our mother and then D pushing us away was insane. As if our emotions can be shut down and then turned back on in a snap.

I've often wondered if the emotions of his wife and sister in laws along with whatever happened at the heated family meeting were enough to send JeM over the edge with regards to Bob's disappearance.

There is a lot to be said about JuM's ability to understand others feelings and respect their needs and boundaries in her above post; as well as her expectations and priorities. That post of hers comes as a shock to me every time I see it. It's baffling that she was baffled about her fathers feelings and needs in the months leading up to Bob's disappearance.

 

[zwiebel]

Why didnt they have a key?

I'm led to the conclusion that the reason that family didn't have a key was because Bob didn't want them to have one.

But that presents me with another problem, because I think son-in-law must have had one, the day Bob disappeared. Det Loomis said when Bob vanished, the front door was locked, and JeM 'let' the housekeeper in the back door. Sounds like he had a key, to me. The housekeeper will know, I suppose.

So if Bob didn't want family to have keys, why would he have given one to son-in-law just popping out to the shops? When Bob knew he would be there to let son-in-law back in, because he was staying home to await the housekeeper's arrival?

If Bob planned on going out he might have handed JeM a key - but then he would also have put one in the mailbox for the housekeeper too, as he always had before.

I want to change believe's question around now - from why didn't the family have a key, to why did son-in-law have one?

 

[Cubby]

FWIW, I think JeM helped himself to Bob's keys when he left. Then went to the back and left the housekeeper waiting at the front door, letting her in through the front door after letting himself in through the back. Thus keeping the fact that he had Bob's key's hidden from the housekeeper.


That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Cazzie]

How much longer will everyone involved in Bob's "disappearance" be allowed to continue their freedom? :sigh:

I'm so impressed with detective R (snippet of the "Disappeared" show) and am counting on the "close to the vest" concept.

 

[Mountain Misst]

I never thought of it being social services. LE would count that as a pretty impeccable witness, wouldn't they?

If someone who was not familiar with Bob rang on the Monday morning, then JeM could carry off an impersonation quite easily IMO.

JuM and JeM seem to be a couple of 'character actors' to me with all their carry on. I read that JuM was donating a kidney to someone. Did that really happen? Was she trying to give back a life for one she had taken - clear her conscience perhaps?

 

[zwiebel]

It really did happen, long before Bob disappeared. For a virtual stranger. And JuM - and even hubby JeM - did loads of publicity to promote kidney charities. Did it really well, too. JuM's a natural. All the links are in a post of mine in the timeline and media thread:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only

That's why I find it so hard to understand why Bob hasn't seen the benefit of her publicity-generating skills too.

 

[zwiebel]

I can actually understand JuM's faltering timelines. I'm so bad at dates myself. Stick a camera in my face under a situation of some stress, I'd talk nonsense about times too. Family with missing loved ones are allowed to make many mistakes as they feel their way desperately through the darkest situation.

It's her silence since then; the refusal to speak again to clarify, clear up or even comment about her missing father. The fury when others attempt to. It just looks really, really bad. Place her kind, charitable, in-full-public-glare acts beside them..........it looks even worse.

 

[Cazzie]

I can actually understand JuM's faltering timelines. I'm so bad at dates myself. Stick a camera in my face under a situation of some stress, I'd talk nonsense about times too. Family with missing loved ones are allowed to make many mistakes as they feel their way desperately through the darkest situation.

It's her silence since then; the refusal to speak again to clarify, clear up or even comment about her missing father. The fury when others attempt to. It just looks really, really bad. Place her kind, charitable, in-full-public-glare acts beside them..........it looks even worse.

Yeah. You would think there would be pleas for help to find him (especially early on (I'd be frantic!), in case he was alive and had wandered off, with his bad knees . I don't believe much of anything his daughters have said.
Their videos give me a bad feeling One would expect to get a compassionate vibe. :sigh:

WHEN...When...when?

 

[tlcya]

I'm led to the conclusion that the reason that family didn't have a key was because Bob didn't want them to have one.

But that presents me with another problem, because I think son-in-law must have had one, the day Bob disappeared. Det Loomis said when Bob vanished, the front door was locked, and JeM 'let' the housekeeper in the back door. Sounds like he had a key, to me. The housekeeper will know, I suppose.

So if Bob didn't want family to have keys, why would he have given one to son-in-law just popping out to the shops? When Bob knew he would be there to let son-in-law back in, because he was staying home to await the housekeeper's arrival?

If Bob planned on going out he might have handed JeM a key - but then he would also have put one in the mailbox for the housekeeper too, as he always had before.

I want to change believe's question around now - from why didn't the family have a key, to why did son-in-law have one?

Is it possible that some family members knew of Bob's practice to leave a key in the mailbox for the maid and simply used Bob's key, had the access wanted to the house, did whatever was done inside, and locked up behind, dropping the key into the mailbox as they left? Maybe JeM used the key from the mailbox to let the maid in?

Just thinking out loud, throwing out ideas.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Is it possible that some family members knew of Bob's practice to leave a key in the mailbox for the maid and simply used Bob's key, had the access wanted to the house, did whatever was done inside, and locked up behind, dropping the key into the mailbox as they left? Maybe JeM used the key from the mailbox to let the maid in?

Just thinking out loud, throwing out ideas.

The front door key wasn't in the mailbox for the cleaning lady (which was the usual arrangement if Bob was out), hence the cleaning lady's wait until JeM turned up 12.15-12.30pm.

When JeM turned up, he entered Bob's house through the back door; he walked through the house to open the front door and let her in.
From that - can I then presume that the front and back door locks were not keyed alike? I would think so otherwise JeM would just have opened the front door.
I would also consider it realistic that the back door was not left unlocked. Hence JeM did indeed have a key of his own - the backdoor key.

Grandson (AH) later used a front door key to let the police in according to his statement. How did he come by that key if Bob's keys were missing from the house? Certainly not from JeM - he had the backdoor key.

 

[tlcya]

hmm, for people that Bob seemed to be frustrated with in the last days before his disappearance there certainly were a lot of keys floating around to his house.

Wonder if he even knew how many.

 

[wantjustice]

Hi all, Have a question: What is really going on with Disappeared? The rumor on FB is that it was cancelled. I have been waiting all season to watch Bob Harrod's story on Disappeared. I read the last few pages and forgive me if I missed the reason. I thought I read here that there was something that happened in the case that made them postpone it. If this is the case, why did the skip the other episode? I've looked for reasons but couldn't find them. TIA!

 

[Cubby]

It doesn't appear to be cancelled as there are shows scheduled now from the 19th through the 25th. However, the only show listed for Monday the 25th airs at 5:00pm. I'm not sure if it is a rerun or not and not sure if the show will now air at 5:00pm versus later in the evening?

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/tv-schedule.htm

 

[wantjustice]

It doesn't appear to be cancelled as there are shows scheduled now from the 19th through the 25th. However, the only show listed for Monday the 25th airs at 5:00pm. I'm not sure if it is a rerun or not and not sure if the show will now air at 5:00pm versus later in the evening?

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/tv-schedule.htm

Thank you for the info! I really hope they at least show the remaining shows. I really think it has helped many cases; solved at least one. I would be surprised if they cancelled it. I can't speak of the numbers but I see a lot of buzz about it everywhere so I'd be shocked if the numbers were low.

 

[zwiebel]

The cancellation does seem to have caused quite a bit of frustration out there. I find it puzzling that a TV station should work so hard to get a loyal 'brand' following, then abruptly change the schedule without telling those loyal followers why.

To be honest, it reminds me of that favourite bugbear of English people, the train system - people meekly accept the endless crowding, delays and cancellations, but the lack of any explanation gets them banging their heads against the wall.

 

[believe09]

Hi all, Have a question: What is really going on with Disappeared? The rumor on FB is that it was cancelled. I have been waiting all season to watch Bob Harrod's story on Disappeared. I read the last few pages and forgive me if I missed the reason. I thought I read here that there was something that happened in the case that made them postpone it. If this is the case, why did the skip the other episode? I've looked for reasons but couldn't find them. TIA!

Nah, there is no machination here imo. It was rescheduled because networks reschedule things all of the time. Bob's wasnt the only episode that was pushed back, so there are a few other families as broken hearted as we are.

Our great good fortune is that Disappeared aired it repeatedly in Australia-so we know the episode has not be "cancelled" forever.

I realize that the spoken and unspoken fear is that the family would be able to contest what is clearly a pointed and unflattering portrayal of their actions before and after Bob's disappearance.

First of all, they appeared in the show. Their side was presented. (BL) Secondly, LE appeared in the show. LE's side, based upon all of that good digging which has been going on for 3 years, is what it is.

Undoubtedly family consulted their attorneys, as they do for everything it appears given the attys bills that have accumulated and been paid for by the trust, and undoubtedly they signed waivers concerning legal action.

Disappeared wouldnt have spent the money (a lot I am sure) on this story if they were going to scuttle it.

For those who saw the 5 minute snippet, it was extremely powerful. And the implications by Det R were very very clear.

The family is covering for one another and it was motivated by the estate.

 

[cloudajo]

Thanks Believe. From what I can tell, there were 20 episodes for Season 5, and all but 4 have aired and have videos posted on the ID site.

It looks like the 4 in Season 5 that didn't yet air are:

1. Long Lost Love: Bob Harrod
2. Final Season: Tracy Ocasio
3. At The Crossroads: Jarrod Johnston
4. Birds of Prey: Moses Lall

I'm not 100% sure on these 4, but that's what I see in comparing the shows to the videos and what had been on the schedule before they changed it.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/season-5-episodes.htm