CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[zwiebel]

Good news everyone. Bob's case is being highlighted somewhere else for the first time, this month! His case isn't cooling - it's getting hotter! (It wasn't me pretending to be someone other than zwiebel, by the way, in case you think any of it looks familiar!)

http://hftm.co/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=324

 

[Opie]

Good news everyone. Bob's case is being highlighted somewhere else for the first time, this month! His case isn't cooling - it's getting hotter! (It wasn't me pretending to be someone other than zwiebel, by the way, in case you think any of it looks familiar!)

http://hftm.co/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=324

Good news that there is more publicity for Bob.

As someone else has posted: tick-tock, tick-tock, justice is coming.

 

[tlcya]

Hi,

I've watched that interview a few times, you are across this - do you know approximately when it was done? How soon after family 'realised' that Dad was missing? I know she turns to someone and says 'maybe noon, 1pm'.

Housekeeper said she arrived at house, knocked and nobody there so she waited on the bench outside and SIL returned and let her in. Bob had asked her to come that day to get house ready for F arrival, in particular to put brand new sheets on the bed. That could explain why his bed wasn't made, contrary to his usual habit - according to the housekeeper.

When they went inside SIL went upstairs to look because housekeeper was afraid what she might find.
SIL came downstairs 'after a few minutes' and said Bob wasn't there. They then got on with their respective tasks.

Did SIL go back out again in the afternoon to get more supplies?

SIL left the house to go home before housekeeper?

Trouble with this timeline is sources - noticed already in MSM there are mistakes with years and times which I attribute to the journos, not the interviewee giving misinformation.

I believe that telephone records for that day haven't been released by LE?

If so, the only timeline evidence for that day that is verifiable by us is the Home Depot receipt. There would have been store cctv to show who purchased the goods.

LE would surely have some cctv from traffic cameras that might verify who was going where at what time. And what other vehicle might have been lurking/calling by to pick Bob up. A black vehicle perhaps?

Are LE still proactive on this or has it all gone quiet?

(Appreciate the input re 'young' brides in MO. I remember the Jerry Lee Lewis thing too ]

Re the dementia thing, patients can be sharp as in one area and suggestible in another. Bob would have been vulnerable still grieving the loss of his wife the year before, then his little dog. Add to that normal cognitive decline in an 80 year old, actually an undernourished 80 year old (5'11" and only 140lbs), plus the evidence of inappropriate money to a conniving BL.

Feel free to put your answers in this text underneath my questions

Cheers,
LB

First, I want to thank you for your interest in Bob's case. I too came into this thread relatively recently, considering how long he's been missing so I can relate to being a newcomer and wading through all that's been posted and sleuthed before my arrival.

I want to address the BBM portion of your post.

I am not sure what is being suggested but I think the suggestion is that Mr. Harrod may have been "duped" into marrying Fontelle. That IMO seems a bit of a stretch to find some reason for his own family's deplorable behavior and vilify someone who has done nothing wrong and was 1000-s of miles away at the time that this lovely senior disappeared so I am confused as to why one would work so hard to find wrongdoing in that area when there is so much fodder closer to home.

As to inappropriate money to a conniving BL. Mr. Harrod was not demented. Here is why I can say that with relative certainty. If he was, his children, upset by Fontelle's entry into the picture, would have immediately put him under a guardianship and had his marriage annulled. If that were the case none of us would be here now as Bob would not be missing. So obviously THEY did not think he was suffering from dementia.

As a man who worked hard for his money and was not confused, under duress or mentally unfit, he had every right to spend his money, loan his money or gift his money however he saw fit.

The only people who saw this as inappropriate are his family members, who felt that money was their legacy and wished he would just hand it all over to them already.

Inappropriate is in the eye of the beholder. What I find inappropriate is grown children of a man who had worked hard and invested well, thinking his money was theirs and like hungry little baby bird, were always around chirping for more more more.

What I find inappropriate is those family members insistence that Bob continue to hemorrhage money into their coffers. What I find inappropriate is their rush to take control of his money after he went missing and their seeming complete lack of real urgency in making any sort of effort to find their father. Almost as if now that they control the money, there is no longer a problem.

again, inappropriate is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks for reading what my eye sees.

 

[zwiebel]

Maybe tick toc in a few languages, too! Funnily enough, me posting on another thread seems to have created interest in Bob's website from a couple of countries where no visitors had come from before. I am so glad about that. The more news about Bob that gets out, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[zwiebel]

Tlcya, I just saw your post.

I don't know the code for that little avatar bowing down, so I'm just saying...

I think you are really cool.

 

[Cubby]

So is the idea that Bob thought Fontelle was someone else??? Someone else he loved and wanted to marry but couldn't?? He remembers a girl with long hair but Fontelle had short hair?

I noticed in the account of Bob's sister, that he met Georgia somewhere, sounds like while they were out. I thought Bob rented a room from Georgia's uncle and that Georgia came over to the uncles house sometimes and that's where she met Bob, then fell in love with him.

Now I'm confused. I thought what kept Fontelle and Bob apart was someone intercepting their letters to one another. The way Bob's sister tells it, Bob was footloose and fancy free to date Georgia and had no encumbrances on his status whatsoever.

So is the idea that this whole romance was made up and that Bob wasn't of sound enough mind to remember it for hmself so that he was TOLD he had a relationship with Fontelle??

That sound crazy. The next step would be to state that Fontelle was a gold digger who contacted him, pretended to know him from years ago, get him to marry her so she could inherit everything.

I don't like this line of thinking at all. This would have never occurred to me. I know others have said that the only dates that matter are the timeline of the day Bob disappeared, but his story is important and it should be right.

Think of the dates for the events which occured 60 or so years ago along the same lines as the target of a timeline. What has been done with the timeline of the day of Bob's disappearance is the exact same thing being done with the timeline of events of 60+ years ago.

Just another attempt to muddy the waters, cause confusion and distract from the main issue of what occured on the day of the heated family meeting and the day of Bob's disappearance. And what may have happened in between those two events....

 

[Cubby]

First, I want to thank you for your interest in Bob's case. I too came into this thread relatively recently, considering how long he's been missing so I can relate to being a newcomer and wading through all that's been posted and sleuthed before my arrival.

I want to address the BBM portion of your post.

I am not sure what is being suggested but I think the suggestion is that Mr. Harrod may have been "duped" into marrying Fontelle. That IMO seems a bit of a stretch to find some reason for his own family's deplorable behavior and vilify someone who has done nothing wrong and was 1000-s of miles away at the time that this lovely senior disappeared so I am confused as to why one would work so hard to find wrongdoing in that area when there is so much fodder closer to home.

As to inappropriate money to a conniving BL. Mr. Harrod was not demented. Here is why I can say that with relative certainty. If he was, his children, upset by Fontelle's entry into the picture, would have immediately put him under a guardianship and had his marriage annulled. If that were the case none of us would be here now as Bob would not be missing. So obviously THEY did not think he was suffering from dementia.

As a man who worked hard for his money and was not confused, under duress or mentally unfit, he had every right to spend his money, loan his money or gift his money however he saw fit.

The only people who saw this as inappropriate are his family members, who felt that money was their legacy and wished he would just hand it all over to them already.

Inappropriate is in the eye of the beholder. What I find inappropriate is grown children of a man who had worked hard and invested well, thinking his money was theirs and like hungry little baby bird, were always around chirping for more more more.

What I find inappropriate is those family members insistence that Bob continue to hemorrhage money into their coffers. What I find inappropriate is their rush to take control of his money after he went missing and their seeming complete lack of real urgency in making any sort of effort to find their father. Almost as if now that they control the money, there is no longer a problem.

again, inappropriate is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks for reading what my eye sees.

Excellent post! Hemorrhage and the comment about baby birds are such appropriate descriptions. Those are an excellent fit!

 

[zwiebel]

I am definitely NOT getting at Legallybrunette, because Australians are my favourite people, and I love the way they are so unafraid to ask questions that matter.

I have never seen though, any connection between Fontelle, Mrs Harrod (note the surname, everyone, bestowed by Bob) being somehow 'motivated by money' and Bob's disappearance. As she said herself, if she was anyway halfway decent a 'gold digger' she would have had her name on the 'dotted line', as soon as she married Bob, and would certanly not have waited until she returned to MO, BEFORE he had added her to to his accounts, to disappear him.

It just does not make sense. Strange as it may seem to his daughters, I believe Fontelle truly loved Bob; she wanted him, not his money. I don't think she is staying put in his home, despite all the tribulations, just to get a monthly allowance and for the joy/honour of living in sunny CA, rather than MO. MO sounds quite nice to me. I think she is trying to make a point, in the only way she can. Making sure Bob is not forgotten in a physical presence sense, as well as a financial sense. His money cannot just be spent at will, as long as Mrs Harrod is there, calling people to account, reminding them it is Bob's money, and he is still missing. That what is happening is maybe not 'as per his wishes'.

May actually be in complete opposition, in fact, imo.

Missouri seems all right to me. I think Mrs Harrod is staying put because she is waiting for Bob to come home.

 

[Seajay]

I'm really concerned about what is going to happen when that 5 years is up on July 27, 2014? They have him declared dead, they take over Bob's money and home, they distribute the money as requested by the wills and Fontells is SOL. This was their goal, this is what they want. I hope something happens to keep them from that.

 

[Opie]

I'm really concerned about what is going to happen when that 5 years is up on July 27, 2014? They have him declared dead, they take over Bob's money and home, they distribute the money as requested by the wills and Fontells is SOL. This was their goal, this is what they want. I hope something happens to keep them from that.

lease:

Praying that very thing - that something happens to keep them from that.
Amen.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't know. When/if Bob is declared dead, It will beg the question, how did he die?

Maybe that could give LE or a DA more room to maneouvre?

I am also wondering if any probate court decision could be affected by all those earlier suggestions as to why Bob might still be alive and had run off; hiding out with hairdressers or others, hiding out to punish other people, wandering off with dementia and memory loss, maybe in a home somewhere, unknown, maybe being held prisoner in his own home, etc?

The theories always seemed a little strange to me, but combined with Bob's supposed secrecy and care with his money ( he could have a secret stash) and that some of the theories were put forward by people who had known him their entire lives, maybe a probate court would take them more seriously than me?

 

[zwiebel]

Re my post earlier, about Missouri seeming a nice place to me; I don't want anyone to think I'm knocking California. That seems a nice place to me too. Just not with Bob missing. I can't imagine visiting there without looking for him the whole time.

 

[Cubby]

I'm really concerned about what is going to happen when that 5 years is up on July 27, 2014? They have him declared dead, they take over Bob's money and home, they distribute the money as requested by the wills and Fontells is SOL. This was their goal, this is what they want. I hope something happens to keep them from that.

Imo, if there is a mad dash by Bob's daughters making July 27, 2014 'the finish line' that's going to draw a lot of attention from LE and the prosecutors office. Their behavior at that time will speak volumes.

 

[zwiebel]

I wish I was a lawyer, because then I might know about any change in legal status, if Bob is declared dead and daughters move from being conservators to trustees. At the moment I think maybe - strictly legally - they could not be said to be benefitting from Bob's fortune.

If he is declared dead and that leads to them becoming trustees, then I think it might be very different and they would legally be classed as beneficiaries. I think that could prove important in the event that Bob is found to have been a victim of foul play, depending on who is eventually implicated in the crime.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm really concerned about what is going to happen when that 5 years is up on July 27, 2014? They have him declared dead, they take over Bob's money and home, they distribute the money as requested by the wills and Fontells is SOL. This was their goal, this is what they want. I hope something happens to keep them from that.

Sorry Seajay, what's SOL?

ETA: Pls ignore the question, I know why it can't be written in full now!

 

[tlcya]

If he is declared dead I would think his estate could be challenged by Fontelle. It is public knowledge he intended to change his Will to include Fontelle. She could tie up the assets and money from the estate for hears by challenging the Will in court.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh yes. And I believe LE may have some written evidence from Bob to that effect too.

Thank you, tlyca.

I wonder if that means the rush to have Bob declared dead will be a slow dawdle. Or might never take place at all?

 

[zwiebel]

Ah well, who knows? It might never become an issue at all. A lot of things could happen between now and then....

Any Placentia locals around with an interest in photography might want to enter a pic of something - anything - that might help highlight Bob's case, by the way. Here's the link to the entry form. There's a three dollar fee per pic. Happy clicking!

http://www.placentia.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/1433

 

[Mels3kidz]

Oh yes. And I believe LE may have some written evidence from Bob to that effect too.

Thank you, tlyca.

I wonder if that means the rush to have Bob declared dead will be a slow dawdle. Or might never take place at all?

BBM. Given Fontelle's age that might very well be the plan.

Mel

 

[zwiebel]

I didn't think of that.

On the bright side though, more and more people are living to a hundred these days. And she looked pretty sprightly in the videos.

That's just reminded me; during the time I worked with seniors in a residential home, I recall a nurse trying to persuade a perfectly fit and healthy lady ( for her age) to stop sneaking outside for her occasional cigarette, as it could shorten her life. She was 99.

(not trying to suggest the habit's harmless, by the way. Just saying I think there comes a point in a person's life when....well, they should be free to do almost anything they want, really).