CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[deca]

Ya know, I am a little surprised that no one on that street had security cameras. They are not uncommon in SoCal for those type of neighborhoods.

Was it ever released if LE had traced JeMs or AHs movements via their cell phones for that day?

 

[zwiebel]

No, results were not released. But early on LE stated they were looking into all phone records. And daughter PB said (re her 11am-12noon call to Bob's house) that she later found out from LE that her call was nearer 11.45, and that her number came us as private so they didn't know who it was.

 

[believe09]

No, results were not released. But early on LE stated they were looking into all phone records. And daughter PB said (re her 11am-12noon call to Bob's house) that she later found out from LE that her call was nearer 11.45, and that her number came us as private so they didn't know who it was.

That always fascinated me. It came up as "private" for what reason and how did she know it was her call and why did she think it was hers?

I am incredibly skeptical regarding the existence of this call. Unfortunately for PB, she alibis her BIL and the two are tied together until she recants it.

The dementia claims, the phantom SUV, this call.... these are some of the areas that appear to rise to obstruction to me. JMO as a layperson.

 

[zwiebel]

You have a point. Because PB also says that it had sounded like Bob had received a lot of calls that day. So quite how she could pinpoint hers, I don't know.

(And I'm still not sure how a person can 'sound' like they've had a lot of calls, without actually saying so. It's a bit like the 'favorable' response Bob gave to son-in-law's announcement that he was going to the hardware store, overheard by PB).

 

[believe09]

True zwie. My additional point is do her calls routinely come up as private? That is an election someone has to make with their phone. Why would she choose to make her calls private? What would cause her father to even pick up a call that came across as private? I see Private or Unknown and assume telemarketer, tbh.

Ah well. One of the great mysteries here. Unfortunately for her BIL, between her call and her sister's multiple timelines, they put BIL in the home during the disappearance. We know Bob was gone when CL showed up. BIL leaves for 15 minutes, Bob disappears and leaves behind a locked home and no one sees him. He voluntarily has left without his glasses...keys, wallet, but no checkbook apparently.

If there was a detail or a road crew, I would think they would have remembered an elderly man strolling in the neighborhood dressed in white from head to toe, even if the neighbors didnt. That sight would definitely stick in my mind for sure.

 

[Cubby]

You have a point. Because PB also says that it had sounded like Bob had received a lot of calls that day. So quite how she could pinpoint hers, I don't know.

(And I'm still not sure how a person can 'sound' like they've had a lot of calls, without actually saying so. It's a bit like the 'favorable' response Bob gave to son-in-law's announcement that he was going to the hardware store, overheard by PB).

BBM. My guess would be AH scrolled through the caller id the evening of Bob's disappearance after the police did their well being check. Jot down the numbers and times they called and bingo, there you have your can "sound" like they had a lot of calls.

I hope they didn't just check Bob's cell phone records, but PB's outgoing calls the day of her fathers disappearance too. Was she calling from home? Work? A landline, a cell line?

 

[TDW59]

Quote: Although I am not married to the fact that Bob was drugged, it just happens to meet my "easiest way to get someone out of the house that doesn't want to go" scenario.

I hate to sound like some creepy freak, but I would want to get the person out of the house BEFORE they died (no evidence!). I would also want them to get out of the house on their own two feet. Unless JeM pulled a Casey Anthony (pulling car into garage for privacy) I wouldn't want to attract attention by carrying someone out to a car.

So I imagine that if I could make victim sick enough to want to go to the ER or loopy enough that you can convince them to get in the car, that would be the best scenario. Then maybe the victim doses or passed out in the car until you bring your car around to some cliff area (easy in SoCal) help them out, push them off (or knock them with a hammer or something) then push them off.

Anyway, I guess a big stumbling block here is IF Bob passed in the house, wouldn't there be evidence (urine, feces, blood, vomit?). Then there would also be decomp in the car right? Unless someone else's car was used to transport? I would love for someone with some crime scene knowledge to address this.
I just don't know. Honestly, how could this be the "perfect crime" when it seems so obvious that something is fishy?

I think someone upthread mentioned that perhaps Bob was told there was some sort of emergency with another family member and that is what got him out of the house? :Unquote

Deca you have summed up my thinking very well.
However, I don't believe Bob would have left for any emergency without his glasses.
But he may have sat down and took them off as he was nodding off.

I think Mrs Harrod was able to reach him that am as she said she phoned twice a day, each morning and night.

Cubby, I too believe that Bob disappeared between 10am and noon. Can't pinpoint why exactly, but I might be open to a later time for the dump site after I look at the rest of the afternoon.
I am afraid none of that stuck in my memory very well as I read thro all the threads pretty rapidly.

I think that bit about JeM strolling HD for 45 minutes to think things thro WHILE on security video is a HIT of an idea

I did not remember that he returned to Bob's after that.

You all have been super productive while I was napping!

I do have some ideas of what happened after but need to read back so I am not spinning a yarn out of thin air...
and the idea of going thro 14 threads is quite daunting.

 

[TDW59]

I still don't see why it was ever produced/put forward as an alibi. If the housekeeper was in the house then, and said Bob had already disappeared....I mean, JeM didn't tell LE Bob was still in the house when he left, did he?

WOW!!!!
Brilliant question!

 

[TDW59]

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

discrepancy from early on re: HD & Bob's disappearance.

Fontelle last spoke with Bob Sunday evening? suspicious! or a reporting error.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_12946442?nclick_check=1

 

[TDW59]

from cloudajo, thread 1


What I find interesting is that there is not one mention of a trip to CVS in any articles, in the interview with daughter/wife of SIL, and in post by other daughter on IS. All only mention an earlier trip to the hardware store/Home Depot, then back about noon/1PM to find Bob gone.

 

[Cubby]

I still don't see why it was ever produced/put forward as an alibi. If the housekeeper was in the house then, and said Bob had already disappeared....I mean, JeM didn't tell LE Bob was still in the house when he left, did he?

Robert "Bob" Harrod was last seen Monday afternoon at his home on Carnation Drive by his son-in-law, who told authorities that he went to Home Depot and that when he returned, Harrod was gone.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

 

[Cubby]

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

discrepancy from early on re: HD & Bob's disappearance.

Fontelle last spoke with Bob Sunday evening? suspicious! or a reporting error.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_12946442?nclick_check=1

She has not heard from Harrod since Sunday, Loomis said.

Did you have a chance to watch the Disappeared episode, TDW'? If you did and you paid close attention to LE's statements you would notice how careful they are with their words. "Heard from him", to me, indicates the last time Bob made a call to her. It tells me nothing about whether she dialed him Monday morning and reached him.

I do think it is quite possible Bob was so upset after Sunday's heated family meeting he was anxious to talk to his new bride about what had occured and called her earlier than she usually calls him.

LE is choosing their words carefully. Also, in a previous MSM article the Placentia chief of police stated he didn't want to show his hand to any potential suspects or persons of interest.

Making it public who called who and when the last time Bob and Fontelle spoke, is clearly part of those cards LE isn't willing to show.

 

[Cubby]

While I'm looking for that previous post with pictures of the garage....


Daughter PB posted on another forum “had nephew try to go through garage on Tuesday…”

So at a minimum, daughter JM and her son (Bob’s grandson) were at Bob’s on Tuesday, the day after he went missing. Not sure if that is daughter PB’s white minivan in the driveway next to Bob’s car in the video filmed the day after he went missing (at your link).

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I wonder if AH was playing with Bob's computer on Tuesday while his mom was changing the linens.

 

[Cubby]

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The photo of Bob's garage.

 

[TDW59]

No, Cubby..but thanks. I am on a fixed income and will order the entire season thro amazon in a couple of weeks or so.

I am back on thread 1, page 12 and ready for sleep.

For AMW on Bob, he was listed as having no known medical conditions. (thread 1, post 136)

There's some confusion about the CVS receipt. It claims to be verified that one exists but all info about what was bought was rumor, the initial claim being that it was paper plates ..and soda pop.

But starting over with the reading....I've much to learn I am sure.

Thanks for all you do. I wish I were a smidgen as talented with the computer as you are.

nighty-night.

 

[TDW59]

I wonder if AH was playing with Bob's computer on Tuesday while his mom was changing the linens.

He needed to be imo!!!

I dearly hope LE got hold of that computer because even if he deleted things...as long as LE could get the hard drive and do specialist forensics, nothing is ever lost.

I wonder how much of a computer whiz ARH is and if he would know how to actually cause a hard drive to be unreadable?

I do NOT believe Bob was the scrooge his daughters painted him to be, there is far too much evidence to the contrary..but I surely don't think he kept dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of good money after bad with ARH.
Mr Harrod invested in properties to build his own net worth (and to help his family)..but that deposition with ARH just takes the cake!

:jail:

 

[zwiebel]

I don't know if LE did examine the computer. It made it onto the memorabilia list, with mom JuM stating it was AH's. So if it was still at the house, it would have been claimed along with the other stuff. I think only Fontelle would know if the computer had been removed by LE and then returned.

Or, in fact, if LE kept it and so daughters weren't able to take it with them when they collected the rest of the 'memorabilia'.

 

[zwiebel]

Robert "Bob" Harrod was last seen Monday afternoon at his home on Carnation Drive by his son-in-law, who told authorities that he went to Home Depot and that when he returned, Harrod was gone.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

Soooo...if JeM is saying Bob was definitely home when he went to Home Depot, that has to mean he is saying Bob was in the house with the housekeeper when he left?

I would like to try and work out what the 'twists' Det. Radomski mentioned are. I think the the first might well have been

1) the dementia/no dementia, glasses/no glasses etc twist
2) the time JeM left, and where he went twist

Anymore, anyone?

 

[Cubby]

I suspect AH is the twist.

Also, TDW, it's really difficult to read where LE is going with their case without viewing the Disappeared episode. The individual episode is only 1.99 on Amazon. It might be only 1.99 on youtube, too. It's no more than 2.99 that I have seen elsewhere. Of course it is nice to view without the commercials.

I've watched it a few times, and have paid more attention to the words used by LE in subsequent viewings as opposed to the subject manner so much.

IMO, It's clear LE has a case they are building, and they are still gathering evidence to insure a conviction(s)......when that time comes.

 

[zwiebel]

I agree grandson AH is a 'twist' too....I wonder why and when though?

I suppose at first he hardly figured on LE's radar? He was just the nearest relative who let LE into Bob's house, the night Bob disappeared. He was even quite helpful, letting them know there had been 'fighting in the family'.

I imagine LE looked first at the last known person to see Bob, (son-in-law) then the hairdresser Bob gave money to, then at others in his circle. I wonder if it was when LE looked at Bob's finances that their perspective on AH turned around or twisted. Or if there were other things that didn't sit right? In the police report from the night of the 27th, I notice LE made a point of mentioning that AH declined to comment further after making the fighting in the family remark.

To me, that was a tiny, deliberate flag there. Maybe not bright red, but certainly hot pink.