CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Oriah]

I'll be happy to bring over a tutorial on coordinates for ya'll- I actually think there's one that sarx already put up somewhere, can't remember which thread- will try to find it so as to give credit where credit is due.

In the meantime...did I miss somewhere any info about Mr. Harrod and any sort of pre nup he may have had with FH? Been pouring over the docs and trying to figure out if we may have missed something here.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't think so. Not any docs filed with an attorney, at least. Just statements from Mrs Harrod that Bob intended to add her to his accounts, and LE stating they'd found various notes in Bob's handwriting around the house, indicating the same.

 

[zwiebel]

With the way the family trusts are arranged, I can't see why a pre-nup would have been needed really. I think that part of the point of them is to protect assets from claims from new or ex-partners. Bob seems to have had the type where he could make alterations if he chose.

I think this is the case, very roughly.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Done it. Bob was born and brought up in McFall. Mr Z tried to blackmail me though.!!! Get him, sleuthers.

http://bobharrodmissing.com/news.html

Thanks for sharing Zwie.. a lovely story :thumb:

 

[zwiebel]

We should probably keep an eye out for more information on the skeletal remains found near Cabazon. This is about 75 miles from Bob's home. Little information other than the remains were confirmed human.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/hikes-finds-bones-cabazon.html

I was wondering about this lady Cubby. She was on foot though, so she would have had to walk 20 something miles from her last seen.

http://www.riversidesheriff.org/missing/pdf/donahoe-lynnette-elda-I110550017.pdf

ETA, me and maps. The last seen location was more than 50 miles away. Sorry.

 

[Cubby]

I'll be happy to bring over a tutorial on coordinates for ya'll- I actually think there's one that sarx already put up somewhere, can't remember which thread- will try to find it so as to give credit where credit is due.

In the meantime...did I miss somewhere any info about Mr. Harrod and any sort of pre nup he may have had with FH? Been pouring over the docs and trying to figure out if we may have missed something here.

No prenup and LE (Det. Loomis, iirc) has stated Fontelle was unaware of Bob's worth until after his disappearance.

More importantly, Harrod hadn't signed anything over to Fontelle Harrod by the time he disappeared, and both Loomis and Fontelle Harrod herself said Fontelle had no idea how rich Bob Harrod was before he disappeared.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

 

[zwiebel]

The one thing everyone close to Bob seems to agree on is that he lived modestly and well within his means, and was certainly not boastful about how much money he might have had. Even his own daughters say they struggled to get the information they wanted about his financial affairs from him, and he lived frugally.

So I can't see how anyone could seriously think Fontelle knew how wealthy Bob was. Or if had the kind of trust where he could spend it all on her. Unless there's someone out there who thinks legally-blind, non-computer user Fontelle managed to sleuth more info about Bob's Trust affairs in a few weeks, than his daughters etc seemed able to get in over a year. *They were the ones who said they couldn't even get a copy of their own mother's will, after all.

 

[Oriah]

No prenup and LE (Det. Loomis, iirc) has stated Fontelle was unaware of Bob's worth until after his disappearance.

More importantly, Harrod hadn't signed anything over to Fontelle Harrod by the time he disappeared, and both Loomis and Fontelle Harrod herself said Fontelle had no idea how rich Bob Harrod was before he disappeared.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Hmm.
Maybe that's one of the reasons the daughters were so upset.

On another note- I believe you can set up a pre nup even with a trust (or multiple trusts) in place. The point is that this is your money and assets. Just like with the trusts. So you are designating where you want it to go should something go badly in a marriage, someone die, etc. I realize it looks like the Harrods were married somewhat spontaneously- but Mr. Harrod seems like a pretty sharp and financially savvy man. Would he have overlooked a simple addendum, to make sure that his new wife would be taken care of?

And it seems odd to me that Mr. Harrod wouldn't have discussed his assets with FH prior to choosing to discuss it with his children. :waitasec:

 

[Cubby]

No prenup and LE (Det. Loomis, iirc) has stated Fontelle was unaware of Bob's worth until after his disappearance.

More importantly, Harrod hadn't signed anything over to Fontelle Harrod by the time he disappeared, and both Loomis and Fontelle Harrod herself said Fontelle had no idea how rich Bob Harrod was before he disappeared.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Originally posted by Cloudajo:

Starting at 3:34:
Detective Radomski: One of the huge difficulties in a case like this is that, we’re pretty confident that this isn’t an act of you know random violence or an abduction, so you have to look at, it’s somebody in Bob’s inner circle. And that’s very hard to get the truth out of that. Friends and family will protect each other. I think that the details lie in the battle for the money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj3l6...ature=youtu.be

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8831379&postcount=607

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/po...5377-d59fbd0c7009201b8754c209448dc3c05ff9feea​

Interesting to see these two statements from LE next to each other.

I can't wait until April, more so now for Bob's show to air than for the BB season to start!

 

[Cubby]

Hmm.
Maybe that's one of the reasons the daughters were so upset.

On another note- I believe you can set up a pre nup even with a trust (or multiple trusts) in place. The point is that this is your money and assets. Just like with the trusts. So you are designating where you want it to go should something go badly in a marriage, someone die, etc. I realize it looks like the Harrods were married somewhat spontaneously- but Mr. Harrod seems like a pretty sharp and financially savvy man. Would he have overlooked a simple addendum, to make sure that his new wife would be taken care of?

And it seems odd to me that Mr. Harrod wouldn't have discussed his assets with FH prior to choosing to discuss it with his children. :waitasec:

I don't know if you had a chance to see it or not, but before the video was removed for copyright, the short snippet of the last 5 minutes of the Disappeared show which aired in Australia showed Bob's hand written 'to do list' indicating he planned to add Fontelle to his checking and other accounts. ETA: He was 'disappeared' before he had the opportunity to go make those changes.

It may be Bob just told Fontelle he was going to add her to the checking and house, but didn't say anything about how much he is worth. Those may be details which remain close to the vest until the time this case goes to trial.

Can't wait until it airs in April! Whoops, the show, not the trial. Though, I do hope the trial airs on live TV when it eventually happens.

 

[Cubby]

Oh, and before anyone says the above info I posted has anything to do with whether or not Mrs. Harrod is entitled to any of her husbands money, let's remember this is about posting the sequence of events which led to Bob's disappearance.

The sequence of events are what they are regardless of who gets what.

Put the sequence of events together from the time of Georgia Harrod's passing until the time of Mr. Harrod's disappearance and what events have occured, or not occured, since.

 

[zwiebel]

What with all the 'fighting in the family' (grandson says); attorney letters to Bob (middle daughter RB), I wouldn't be surprised if Bob didn't bother with a pre-nup because..........he didn't much care if his daughters inherited all of his estate or not.

I do absolutely believe Fontelle married Bob for love, not money. I am completely unashamed of my belief in her. She got engaged to him as a teenager when he hardly had two pennies to rub together. She went looking for him fifty-nine years after he first left her. When she found him, she dropped everything and married him.

What more could this lady have done to prove her love for him?

Oh, I know. Sat in the marital home, waiting for him, while she gets dragged through the courts, her character gets attacked ( not here, I'm proud to say), and the efforts she has made to publicize Bob's case are undermined.

This is a 79-year-old, legally blind lady. Don't you just want to shout, 'pick on someone your own size!'

This is not pointed towards any of Bob's supporters on here of course, dear moderators.

 

[Mels3kidz]

The one thing everyone close to Bob seems to agree on is that he lived modestly and well within his means, and was certainly not boastful about how much money he might have had. Even his own daughters say they struggled to get the information they wanted about his financial affairs from him, and he lived frugally.

So I can't see how anyone could seriously think Fontelle knew how wealthy Bob was. Or if had the kind of trust where he could spend it all on her. Unless there's someone out there who thinks legally-blind, non-computer user Fontelle managed to sleuth more info about Bob's Trust affairs in a few weeks, than his daughters etc seemed able to get in over a year. *They were the ones who said they couldn't even get a copy of their own mother's will, after all.

BBM. I just find that strange. I know that all States are different but I could go down to the courthouse right now and request a copy of my grandparents will and all I would need is a valid ID. I can't see why they couldn't get a copy of their mother's the same way.

Mel

 

[zwiebel]

Yep. And yep and yep, Mels3kidz.

 

[zwiebel]

What if (just thinking) that complaint came from someone who was web savvy and experienced in researching historical family records, Mels3kidz? Wouldn't you think they'd have known how to obtain a copy of a will in that case?

 

[believe09]

Let's face it, this family isnt known for bestirring themselves when they can bicker about it instead. Maybe that is how they best communicate...*shrug*.

Remember how one sister charged the other sister for shelter during a huge fire with a mandatory evacuation? I guess they are all financially savvy individuals.

 

[Oriah]

I think my post upthread may have been misunderstood. My bad. I was just looking at something it seems like Mr. Harrod might possibly have done to protect FH.
Is it possible that he did something like that, and that angered other family members?

His attorney would have no ethical way of disclosing that info at this time, since Mr. Harrod is still missing. Is this correct? Maybe gitana can weigh in?

 

[believe09]

I think my post upthread may have been misunderstood. My bad. I was just looking at something it seems like Mr. Harrod might possibly have done to protect FH.
Is it possible that he did something like that, and that angered other family members?

His attorney would have no ethical way of disclosing that info at this time, since Mr. Harrod is still missing. Is this correct? Maybe gitana can weigh in?

I think you are absolutely right-I dont think there is a way for Bob's attorney to disclose what he knows at this point. And I am certain he has a lot to share.

 

[Oriah]

Yes. I didn't mean to imply that FH and Mr. Harrod did not marry for love. No, not at all!

I just meant to explore the idea that since Mr. Harrod is such a sharp guy- and particularly with finances and his trust(s) etc in particular- he may have thought to protect FH from any financial loss should he pass away before her.

 

[believe09]

Yes. I didn't mean to imply that FH and Mr. Harrod did not marry for love. No, not at all!

I just meant to explore the idea that since Mr. Harrod is such a sharp guy- and particularly with finances and his trust(s) etc in particular- he may have thought to protect FH from any financial loss should he pass away before her.

I am sure he had some kind of financial adviser at the institution where he kept the bulk of his money. That might be an avenue as well, at least one I am sure LE explored.