CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[zwiebel]

We truly don't know the time do we?

In fact, considering the number of calls stated he received, we really have seen nothing officially either to verify the calls or to dispute the calls.

I don't understand how the CL changed her arrival time either.

Strange, strange things.

Agreed! I think PB's call is strange too.

 

[Allusonz]

And why would any of them harm Bob? If they are there, of course.

Great question!!

I don't believe any of these scenerios have truly been looked at in this thread. I think it has simply been easier to point fingers at certain individuals.

For me, myself, and I, there are a number of scenerios I have taken the time to look into.

Would it not be great if we could actually take scenerios and look at other individuals? Or is that just not fun?

 

[zwiebel]

I truly must be getting tired.

Why would I want to know your age?

I am interested in the age of the person in the photo.

I wonder if BH's sister was able to verify if that was him at that age.

Things that make one go hhmmmmm KWIM?

Oh, I see! Was that really Bob in the photo? I still don't see what it has to do with Bob's disappearance, but ask CarlK in our UID thread. You won't get a better answer.

 

[shana]

No, that's the prewar years, before all the butlers and maids fled to the factories.
Women of Fontelle's generation were empowered by the second World War. They weren't afraid to speak up. Be a complete person, rather than just being a refined female stereoype.

Perhaps to you, zwie, perhaps to you.

Thanks for the history lesson...but...my impressions of women of her gen are vastly different from yours, along with my experience knowing them.

She called it...hayseed! I had never even heard such an expression until Fontelle insinuated it on TV tonight.

~jmo~

 

[MaryNo]

I was responding to your statement about not being able to state with any certainty the time of any of the phone calls. I'll agree that "we" cannot.

I did not state phone records had been released. They have not been released, true

No phone records released .

I really wish they had of been though.

 

[zwiebel]

Perhaps to you, zwie, perhaps to you.

Thanks for the history lesson...but...my impressions of women of her gen are vastly different from yours, along with my experience knowing them.

She called it...hayseed! I had never even heard such an expression until Fontelle insinuated it on TV tonight.

~jmo~

I'm sure the Missouri folk can explain it better than I. Fontelle's a Missouri gal, after all.

 

[Mels3kidz]

Josie the barber. She cut both Bob and Georgia's hair.

Paula: She became more involved in his lif after their mother died.

Roberta: At memorial service he acted like he was more at a party then a memorial service, hanging out with Josie.

Paula: she was taking financial advantage of her father, she saw it in his accounts.

Dad didn't loan money usually outside the family. Loans to family were documented and a business arrangement.

Dad loaned $15,000 to Josie. They called elder abuse people. They found he was being abused but was of sound mind to not pursue it.

OK if he was of sound mind NOT to pursue it, then he was of sound mind when he gifted/lent her the money. You (the collective "you" not you personally Seejay ) can't have it both ways.

Mel

 

[MaryNo]

I've always heard "hayseed" to mean something similar to the word " country bumpkin", "hick"; unsophisticated, backwoods, naive, un-monied - like the Beverly Hillbillies being among the LA stars - if you recall that show It dates me, but I've heard the word hayseed a LOT in my lifetime. Maybe, it's not used all over the country. It's not normally taken to be a hate speech term.

Fontelle isn't such a hayseed that she doesn't know what's going on ... that kind of thing.

Perhaps to you, zwie, perhaps to you.

Thanks for the history lesson...but...my impressions of women of her gen are vastly different from yours, along with my experience knowing them.

She called it...hayseed! I had never even heard such an expression until Fontelle insinuated it on TV tonight.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

Gone over too many times! See a link in a recent post of mine referencing an earlier post...not yet addressed here...as if not even read at all.

Someone on this thread has R.E. experience, yes? Or knows about how loans work, yes? Or is proficient in mathematics, maybe?

It really isn't all that difficult to figure-out, even if you are none of the above.

~jmo~

Here's a link to AH's deposition. He couldn't even remember where some of his bank accounts were, let alone how much money was in them. I don't know how you can be so certain about the state of his loans when he wasn't.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion

 

[shana]

Here's a link to AH's deposition. He couldn't even remember where some of his bank accounts were, let alone how much money was in them. I don't know how you can be so certain about the state of his loans when he wasn't.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion

I read the depo numerous times, reviewed its attachments, did the math. You might want to give it a whirl yourself.

~jmo~

 

[Frenchbeaux]

No, that's the prewar years, before all the butlers and maids fled to the factories.
Women of Fontelle's generation were empowered by the second World War. They weren't afraid to speak up. Be a complete person, rather than just being a refined female stereoype.

You've described my two grandmas to a "T"! That explains where I get my sailor mouth from I suppose.

 

[zwiebel]

Fontelle seems like a straight talker too. I'd prefer that any day to people who are sweetness and light to your face, and then.....

Fontelle certainly seems to have done a lot of work to highlight Bob's case, and help bring him home.

 

[Seajay]

Perhaps to you, zwie, perhaps to you.

Thanks for the history lesson...but...my impressions of women of her gen are vastly different from yours, along with my experience knowing them.

She called it...hayseed! I had never even heard such an expression until Fontelle insinuated it on TV tonight.

~jmo~

I've heard that term before and I'm a generation or so behind Fontelle. What does hayseed have to do with it though, she was using it in if they think they are going get to rid of a hayseed they have another think coming. Meaning the daughters thought she was a hick, from the hills, small town, know nothing old gal. That's what they use to consider farmers in the olden days. It's an antiquated term but it's harmless. It's not like she was cursing like a sailor or anything.

 

[Seajay]

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OK if he was of sound mind NOT to pursue it, then he was of sound mind when he gifted/lent her the money. You (the collective "you" not you personally Seejay ) can't have it both ways.

Mel

That's what was said. I just typed it and past it on.

 

[Seajay]

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OK if he was of sound mind NOT to pursue it, then he was of sound mind when he gifted/lent her the money. You (the collective "you" not you personally Seejay ) can't have it both ways.

Mel

That was what one of the daughters said. Half way through the show, I erroneously contributed what Paula said to Roberta and what Roberta said to Paula so at this point, I'm not sure which daughter said it. I think Paula said it. That Elder Abuse people said he had been abused but that he was of sound mind so able to decide not to pursue it.

 

[shana]

I've heard that term before and I'm a generation or so behind Fontelle. What does hayseed have to do with it though, she was using it in if they think they are going get to rid of a hayseed they have another think coming. Meaning the daughters thought she was a hick, from the hills, small town, know nothing old gal. That's what they use to consider farmers in the olden days. It's an antiquated term but it's harmless. It's not like she was cursing like a sailor or anything.

Oh, did Fontelle mean it as harmless? I think not. She attributed it to others having spoken about her but there isn't any proof/reference. She was speaking of herself. Yeah, I get that.

Truly not an important enough issue to go-over&over. My original post stands as my perception/opinion of this woman well into her 70s at the time the program was filmed.

~jmo~

 

[Seajay]

My opinion of Fontelle is that she's a lady, she has class and she had no reason for Bob to disappear. This poor lady was married a month and while her back is turned, her new husband disappears. She walked into a strange family dynamic that she didn't know about nor was a part of until she married Bob.

Their reunion and marriage was a big news story around these parts, if there was something off and nefarious about it, that would have come out i.e. her age, the dates, etc.

 

[zwiebel]

There is definitely something off about the timeline though. I can't work out - if daughter PB spoke to Bob nearer to 11.30/quarter to 12 as she stated later, and the housekeeper turned up at 12....

Well, there really wasn't long for Bob to disappear.

And what time did son-in-law spot the suspicious black vehicle? And why didn't that ring alarm bells, when Bob disappeared?

 

[zwiebel]

Mrs Harrod receives a monthly allowance from her husband's estate now. Daughters' say that with outgoings on top, that leaves a deficit in the monthly income.

Fair enough. Except daughters have not revealed how much they are paid each month as conservators of the estate (grandson AH complained about them retiring, in his deposition, as soon as they were appointed). Does anyone know what likely fees would be, on a multi-million dollar estate?

Also, the ongoing legal actions against Mrs Harrod, and the failed action against the hairdresser, are also being funded out of Bob's estate. Does anyone know how much monthly fees are for lawyers in California?

It's ironic that Bob's own money is being used to try and get his wife removed from the marital home. Also very sad, for him and her.

 

[shana]

There is definitely something off about the timeline though. I can't work out - if daughter PB spoke to Bob nearer to 11.30/quarter to 12 as she stated later, and the housekeeper turned up at 12....

Well, there really wasn't long for Bob to disappear.

And what time did son-in-law spot the suspicious black vehicle? And why didn't that ring alarm bells, when Bob disappeared?

IMO, Agnes did not arrive at noon and leave 3 hrs later after Jeff, despite what the TV drama indicated.

IMO, the voiceover on that point was removed from another version of the episode after the Australian version, one which was not televised. Before you ask, my source cannot be quoted here, unfortunately...so again, this is and has to be IMO and I believe I am entitled to my opinion here, right?

Did you notice that the SUV in the dramatization was white, not black? What do you make of that, in terms of 'accuracy'?

Let's think...together.

~jmo~