CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[zwiebel]

Didn't son-in-law have a white SUV?

Note: I know nothing about cars. I am ready to be corrected by anyone on this.

 

[zwiebel]

Did LE reveal anything about the results of the lie detector tests they carried out? And who took them, and who declined?

As LE said they questioned over 100 people, but still believe the person who did this to Bob was someone in his close circle, I think we are right to focus attention on them.

 

[zwiebel]

As it has gone a little quiet here now, so I'm not distracting anyone.....

Bob's website, bobharrodmissing.com, has had over one and half thousand hits overnight. I am so glad it may have been able to highlight his case a little bit, and so glad WS is here to highlight Bob's case to many thousands more.

If there is anyone out there who was in the area of Carnation Drive, Placentia on July 27th, 2009 - or anyone who thinks they may have the tiniest bit of information that could help - PLEASE call Detective Dave Radomski at Placentia PD on:

714-993-8166

PPD website here: http://www.placentia.org/index.aspx?nid=17

 

[shana]

Mrs Harrod receives a monthly allowance from her husband's estate now. Daughters' say that with outgoings on top, that leaves a deficit in the monthly income.

Fair enough. Except daughters have not revealed how much they are paid each month as conservators of the estate (grandson AH complained about them retiring, in his deposition, as soon as they were appointed). Does anyone know what likely fees would be, on a multi-million dollar estate?

Also, the ongoing legal actions against Mrs Harrod, and the failed action against the hairdresser, are also being funded out of Bob's estate. Does anyone know how much monthly fees are for lawyers in California?

It's ironic that Bob's own money is being used to try and get his wife removed from the marital home. Also very sad, for him and her.

Their Trustee fees would have been set-out in the original Trust document. Their fees as Conservators were reviewed by the Court upon approval. It is highly doubtful that there were any excessive fees in either of these documents and if so, the Court would be aware (not to mention Fontelle).

Andrew had a bone to pick at the time he accused his aunts of doing things not documented in fact. He did not want to pay his monthly mortgage, right? That's been the refrain here, hasn't it.

The ongoing legal actions were not initiated by the Harrod heirs nor have they benefited from them. Take a look (oh wait, it isn't here to see) what they were already entitled to as beneficiaries to the Estate of their parents, both of them.

The hairdresser case was lost, true. Did Bob keep any records that his Conservators could bring to the action? Unfortunately not, or they disappeared along with him. btw, it was the duty of the Conservators to bring this matter to the Court.

Fontelle has been enriched by a Trust in which she was not a named beneficiary. As Radomski said on the TV show, there were no notes from Mr Harrod that he intended to change his Estate plans to include her. It would appear that Mr Harrod was honoring the Estate he had set in place with sound legal advice many years ago, with respect to his wife Georgia as well (her half). His notes indicate he intended to put Fontelle as a signatory on a checking account, nothing more.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

And THANK YOU Investigation Discovery TV!

Disappeared, 'Long Lost Love' airs again Saturday. If you've missed Bob's episode, you should be able to buy it here today or tomorrow:

Amazon.com: Disappeared: Season 5, Episode 1 "The Road Not Taken"

 

[zwiebel]

Their Trustee fees would have been set-out in the original Trust document. Their fees as Conservators were reviewed by the Court upon approval. It is highly doubtful that there were any excessive fees in either of these documents and if so, the Court would be aware (not to mention Fontelle).

Andrew had a bone to pick at the time he accused his aunts of doing things not documented in fact. He did not want to pay his monthly mortgage, right? That's been the refrain here, hasn't it.

The ongoing legal actions were not initiated by the Harrod heirs nor have they benefited from them. Take a look (oh wait, it isn't here to see) what they were already entitled to as beneficiaries to the Estate of their parents, both of them.

The hairdresser case was lost, true. Did Bob keep any records that his Conservators could bring to the action? Unfortunately not, or they disappeared along with him. btw, it was the duty of the Conservators to bring this matter to the Court.

Fontelle has been enriched by a Trust in which she was not a named beneficiary. As Radomski said on the TV show, there were no notes from Mr Harrod that he intended to change his Estate plans to include her. It would appear that Mr Harrod was honoring the Estate he had set in place with sound legal advice many years ago, with respect to his wife Georgia as well (her half). His notes indicate he intended to put Fontelle as a signatory on a checking account, nothing more.

~jmo~

Bob's daughters are in charge of a multi-million pound estate. I find it a little unlikely they have fought to gain control of it so soon after Bob's disappearance, to receive nothing.

It was Bob and the first Mrs Harrod's money, not theirs. Mrs Harrod passed her money to Bob. It was for his needs, yet daughter felt entitled to write a harsh letter to her Dad's attorney, demanding to know what those needs were.

Poor Bob. He was a good man and would have cared for his second wife, Fontelle, as he had cared for his first. If he had been given the chance.

 

[zwiebel]

"She makes me laugh a hundred times a day"

Bob, talking about Fontelle.

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/fontelle-bob-years-2485710-couple-love

 

[zwiebel]

"I suggest that you may wish to protect your client, our father Robert M Harrod, by reminding him of the California Probate Code, and advising that he is in violation of the code..."

Daughter RB, writing to her father's attorney.

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[Sharyne]

How long have the Harrods lived in Placentia, anyone know?

 

[shana]

Bob's daughters are in charge of a multi-million pound estate. I find it a little unlikely they have fought to gain control of it so soon after Bob's disappearance, to receive nothing.

It was Bob and the first Mrs Harrod's money, not theirs. Mrs Harrod passed her money to Bob. It was for his needs, yet daughter felt entitled to write a harsh letter to her Dad's attorney, demanding to know what those needs were.

Poor Bob. He was a good man and would have cared for his second wife, Fontelle, as he had cared for his first. If he had been given the chance.

You still do not understand the original intent of BH & GH in the family trust they setup together. I don't have time nor wherewithal at this late hour to explain again or refer you to numerous cites.

Daughter(s) were named to manage the financial affairs of their parents. They did not stand to gain anything from such responsibilities other than a huge headache. Little did they know, or expect, to have to defend their court-honored positions to online sleuths.

Believe what you will.

If you can get the basics down about the original Trust, then we can discuss what Mr Harrod did *not* do in his role as surviving Trustee.

Robert Harrod is still missing. Anyone with viable clues/tips can and should report them to LE.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

How long have the Harrods lived in Placentia, anyone know?

Do you mean Grandson AH? He changed his name to Harrod and lived in Placentia.

Or the first Mrs Harrod and Bob?

Or the second Mrs Harrod and Bob?

 

[zwiebel]

On July 27th, 2013, Bob will have been missing from Placentia for four years.

 

[Seajay]

Did LE reveal anything about the results of the lie detector tests they carried out? And who took them, and who declined?

As LE said they questioned over 100 people, but still believe the person who did this to Bob was someone in his close circle, I think we are right to focus attention on them.

No, I don't think LE has referred to the LDT at all or the outcome of any of them.

What Radomski said on the show was that it's within the family circle and that they are covering for each other. (Parapharased.)

 

[Seajay]

Yeh, Bob would be thrilled to know that his daughters were trying to throw his wife out of his home. And in a few months, she'll have been married to Bob for 4 years.

Lucky thing for the daughters that they only have one more year of having those time consuming, low paying Conservator duties before they can cash in on millions. Poor things. Having to retire from their jobs to be Conservators full time, without benefits.

The daughters badmouthed their father a few times during this show. So much for their love of their father.

They had to contact lawyers to get their father to give them an accounting??? Wow. Brow beat an 81 year old man, gang up on him, get lawyers on him, demanding he produce papers that they wanted to see.

I do not believe for a minute that they were all over him like white on rice and after JuM found the other papers they wanted, everything was hunky dunky dory. Don't. Buy. It.

They came off as demanding, argumentative, disrespectful to their father and his memory, and money grubbing. They have only themselves to blame for the perception it seems that many viewers had of them.

I really don't remember hearing how they loved their father and they wanted him back home. Those girls sure came off as cold hearted. IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[shana]

No, I don't think LE has referred to the LDT at all or the outcome of any of them.

What Radomski said on the show was that it's within the family circle and that they are covering for each other. (Parapharased.)

Listen again please. His comment was NOT restricted to family only.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

No, I don't think LE has referred to the LDT at all or the outcome of any of them.

What Radomski said on the show was that it's within the family circle and that they are covering for each other. (Parapharased.)

Thanks Seajay. It appears LE are keeping their thinking pretty centred.

I suppose they have good reasons not to reveal the lie-detector info, but it would be interesting to know.

 

[zwiebel]

Thanks, that was what was confusing me. You would think the housekeeper would remember that, that's a 3 year discrepancy. Maybe she didn't remember what time she got there that day correctly either?


Yes, I meant Bob and Georgia.

Well, she only had one time to remember, and I think it might have stuck in her mind. From what's been posted, she seemed pretty upset about Bob.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Whoa, quite harsh. Is this how you respond to DR's case? Please be aware that this one has gone-on far longer, and much more to know about legal issues.

btw, and this is for all: Where is it written that a MP has to be a 'saint'? I'm not saying that Mr Harrod was or not, but this veneration of him is not earned, warranted, or even necessary to address the fact that he is missing!

~jmo~

How do you know that, if you don't mind me asking? Do you know him?

 

[shana]

Thanks, that was what was confusing me. You would think the housekeeper would remember that, that's a 3 year discrepancy. Maybe she didn't remember what time she got there that day correctly either?


Yes, I meant Bob and Georgia.

Yes, her timeclock appears to be a bit skewed...happens to the best of us. <g>

But three hours vs years, and in a situation such as this with a MP? Nope, not buying it. There is a reason the narration on that part was removed, not once but twice, until the 4/4 airing on I.D. apparently put it back or neglected to omit it.

These are the sorts of things that make me inquisitive.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

If son-in-law had made any public statements to help Bob's case, we wouldn't have this problem, all this time later. Why has he never spoken out for Bob's cause?